GP2?

[m0ng0]

Which begs the question who knew about this besides the medical staff? Was Cronin trying to sneak one by? If so that kills our ability to work deals with other teams...if any of this is true.

[m0ng0]

Here are some quotes for you

https://www.kptv.com/2023/02/11/trail-blazers-say-they-were-confident-payton-ii-was-healthy/

[PDXKnight]

Here are some quotes for you

https://www.kptv.com/2023/02/11/trail-blazers-say-they-were-confident-payton-ii-was-healthy/

I dont trust the blazers fo hardly ever. We've been promised we were one move away for about 2 decades now..

[DaVoiceMaster]

Here are some quotes for you

https://www.kptv.com/2023/02/11/trail-blazers-say-they-were-confident-payton-ii-was-healthy/

Gotta love unnamed sources. Are there any named sources? Have we heard from Atlanta, Detroit, or Golden State?

[HoopsFanAZ]

The reporting on this is unnamed, unattributed sources. The reporting sucks. Until the reporting doesn’t suck, I’m not casting stones … except that the Warriors can get bent in any case and the Lakers suck … which while unconnected is still true.

[Norm2953]

The thing to do is simply sit GP2 for the rest of the season if the trade falls apart.

If he still wants to be with the GSW, they can re-do another trade prior to the 2023 draft.

[m0ng0]

The reporting on this is unnamed, unattributed sources. The reporting sucks. Until the reporting doesn’t suck, I’m not casting stones … except that the Warriors can get bent in any case and the Lakers suck … which while unconnected is still true.

Lol, what did the warriors do wrong? They traded for a player who failed his psychical, but yet we were playing him every night? Big disparity between what GS decides is a healthy player and what our staff thinks?

[DeBlazerRiddem]

Time to clean house

[BNM]

Which begs the question who knew about this besides the medical staff? Was Cronin trying to sneak one by? If so that kills our ability to work deals with other teams...if any of this is true.

“Player safety is super important to us,” said Blazers general manager Joe Cronin. “It’s a super important thing around the league. We were playing him … he had been cleared and we were confident that he was healthy when he was playing. We would not have brought him back if we thought he wasn’t healthy or if we thought he was at risk. You trust that we did the right thing, and you trust that our process was correct, and these reports, you know, I think if you knew our clearance process was proper, so I will have to rely on that.”

No Joe, I do NOT trust that you did the right thing, and I do NOT trust that your process was correct.

You do not have to give a healthy player Toradol injections so he can play 17 minutes of basketball and you do not hide that crucial information from the team you are trading him to.

[BNM]

The reporting on this is unnamed, unattributed sources. The reporting sucks. Until the reporting doesn’t suck, I’m not casting stones … except that the Warriors can get bent in any case and the Lakers suck … which while unconnected is still true.

Lol, what did the warriors do wrong? They traded for a player who failed his psychical, but yet we were playing him every night? Big disparity between what GS decides is a healthy player and what our staff thinks?

A healthy player does not need Toradol injections to play 17 minutes of basketball. POR knew GP2 was injured and hid that fact from GSW.

Completely unethical on multiple levels.

[m0ng0]

The reporting on this is unnamed, unattributed sources. The reporting sucks. Until the reporting doesn’t suck, I’m not casting stones … except that the Warriors can get bent in any case and the Lakers suck … which while unconnected is still true.

Lol, what did the warriors do wrong? They traded for a player who failed his psychical, but yet we were playing him every night? Big disparity between what GS decides is a healthy player and what our staff thinks?

A healthy player does not need Toradol injections to play 17 minutes of basketball. POR knew GP2 was injured and hid that fact from GSW.

Completely unethical on multiple levels.

And If true it potentially screws us from making deals in the future, and if true will the NBA get involved? Could they fine us or take away draft picks as a punishment? If true this is a BIG deal.

Cronin is playing dumb, but Chauncey sees this guy in practice and 17 minutes of game time every day and night, he has to know he was in pain, he has to know he is not 100% Did GP just decide to gut it out on his own and work directly with the staff for those game day injections and not mention it to anybody?

[Pattycakes]

Blazers may not just lose out of the trade but also be penalized picks in the future. If that happens we are back to being the joke of the league, wonder if ZBo can still ball?

[m0ng0]

Blazers may not just lose out of the trade but also be penalized picks in the future. If that happens we are back to being the joke of the league, wonder if ZBo can still ball?

That was just speculation on my part, not sure if the NBA has ever done that before but other leagues do it. Maybe the trade gets dissolved and we all move on, at this point hopefully that's what happens.

[GEE]

Sounds like alot of speculation. What I know is, nobody forced GP2 to suit up, and nobody forced GP2 to take a Torodol shot. GP2 made those choices. Period.

What I question is what's coming out of the Warriors camp. That's what is fishy to me.

[wco81]

I read that he's had like 4 surgeries in the past 5-6 years.

Last year, he played only 12 playoffs games, because he was injured late in the season and going into the playoffs where he only averaged 17 MPG.

So either he got injured again in the playoffs or played through it and apparently Blazers still gave him this contract knowing he was going to need surgery. Maybe they didn't know about the previous surgeries?

[BNM]

Sounds like alot of speculation. What I know is, nobody forced GP2 to suit up, and nobody forced GP2 to take a Torodol shot. GP2 made those choices. Period.

AT THE ADVICE OF THE TEAM DOCTORS. GP2 does not have a medical degree and did not take the hippocratic oath. It's not his job to determine the best options in treating injuries. That is literally the job of the team physicians. They failed at their job. He did not.

Toradol is nasty stuff. Most people have never heard of it and don't know the side effects. Payton simply followed the medical advice of the team doctors. They are the ones who behaved unethically, not him. Don't try to shift the blame onto the patient.

[Norm2953]

Players however have agents and that agent was able to negotiate a three year contract from an
NBA team.

This is not 1978 when Bill Walton got into that beef with team owners over pain killers and his bone
spurs. In 2023, agents are involved with everything a player does on a daily basis. Teams cannot force
a player to do anything unless the agent is on board with it.

I do think we can wait until all the particulars are better known.

[Wizenheimer]

Sounds like alot of speculation. What I know is, nobody forced GP2 to suit up, and nobody forced GP2 to take a Torodol shot. GP2 made those choices. Period.

AT THE ADVICE OF THE TEAM DOCTORS. GP2 does not have a medical degree and did not take the hippocratic oath. It's not his job to determine the best options in treating injuries. That is literally the job of the team physicians. They failed at their job. He did not.

you don't know what the truth is here. But you sure are running wild with your speculation

I read that Athletic article yesterday and I have no doubt that it all came from Payton. The Warriors didn't leak it and for damn sure the physician who examined Payton didn't leak it

and look what we have so far today:

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I have no doubt that this is being leaked by the Warriors in an effort to ratchet down the time line, ratchet down the rhetoric, AND, in an effort to tell Payton to shut the hell up

Dame had the same surgery last January and said he could have played toward the end of March but Portland was engaged in a major tank. Little had the same surgery in May and was engaged in full workouts in August

Payton had the surgery in July and didn't play until 6 months later in January. And by the time he did play he had been cleared to play for weeks. And, the NBA protocol is that a player coming back from surgery has to be cleard by both team doctors and whichever surgeons performed the surgery. Payton's surgery was performed by two highly regarded Orthopedic surgeons in Philadelphia.

so all we really have is a 1st and 2nd opinion vs a 3rd opinion. And we really do not know what that 3rd opinion was or why Payton supposedly failed the physical

but the uninformed speculation has condemned the Blazers. Congratulations for hopping on that train

[The Sebastian Express]

Please don't treat the word of doctors/surgeons as gospel. This isn't an anti-science thing or anti-doctor thing, but doctors are people and make mistakes. I'll give my own example here.

In November of 2021 I had an episode of severe back and abdominal pain out of nowhere. It went away in a few minutes, no biggy. Strange, but weird. Happened again in January 2022 and didn't go away after several hours. I went to the ER. Had a whole slew of tests done, but the ER doctors couldn't figure out exactly what it was and pain medicine made it go away and my vitals were all relatively fine. They thought it might be my gallbladder, maybe a small kidney infection, maybe my back, maybe my stomach, maybe the cyst they found on my ovaries.

So I go to my physician and he isn't sure either, but we do rule out the kidney infection because the test results were so minor he didn't think it was that at all (he was right, by the way). So we get me scheduled in for appointments with other doctors.

I go to a gallbladder specialist, she doesn't think it's my gallbladder because there was no inflammation on the images they sent over and it isn't happening every time I eat something fatty/greasy, etc.

I go to a OBGYN, I get more tests, the cyst has resolved, she doesn't think it's that at all.

Go to physical therapy, they think it might be this but they aren't sure.

In the meantime I have three, four more episodes between January to the beginning of September. They're bad but I power through.

And then between September 12th-October-10th I have 20+ episodes. Including multiple times a day. Sometimes without eating, sometimes with eating. After a series of three days in a row in mid-September I go to the hospital. I explain what's been happening to the ER doctor on shift, he decides the issue has resolved and isn't an emergency. (Thanks, guy).

Finally on the 10th of October after it's happened for a week straight and happened after even not eating, I go again to the ER again.

This doctor sends me not only to get a ultrasound, which I had before, not only a CT scan, which I had before, but also an MRI, listens to everything I'm saying about what's going on and how long it's been going on.

Yeah, turns out it definitely was my gallbladder. When I told the ER doctor how the gallbladder specialist I had gone to told me it probably wasn't my gallbladder because of the stuff I detailed above, she goes silent for a second and goes, "That's.. one interesting way to interpret it." and left it at that.

I had my gallbladder removed and haven't had an issue since. Apparently the scar tissues was so thick on my gallbladder from a year of 30+ attacks that it prolonged the surgery.

Now certainly my doctors weren't on the level of these specialists. But I told my story because it's important to remember people are not perfect and people get stuff wrong or don't listen to their patients.

And that could've happened here, and I'd like us to get the whole story. I'm not going to say GP is lying or embellishing at all, because this kind of stuff can and does happen.

[DaVoiceMaster]

I'm not prepared to say who is in the wrong either, but am prepared to stand behind the Blazers against the bashing that's going on until we hear something definitive.