Welcome back GP2!!

[azwfan]

Remember Steph is out another few weeks to a month, Rollins is out for the year, and Iguodala cant get/stay healthy. Why acquire someone we know cant help this season?

[Samurai]

We will keep GP2..we can't keep wiseman at this point and it also costs us 130m to keep him around. No other team would be willing to deal with us next year. Worse case scenario.GP2 can't play this season but will play next. It sucks but it's still the best case for us

Do we know this as a fact? I haven't seen anything from our training staff that said they are convinced he will be fully healthy for next season. He's already 30. Do we know that he will be the same GP2 that we remember and not just a less athletic shell of what he once was? Can you post the source that this is the actual worst case scenario because if he can't recover, that would be clearly worse than just missing this season but fully healthy next season.

[Onus]

We will keep GP2..we can't keep wiseman at this point and it also costs us 130m to keep him around. No other team would be willing to deal with us next year. Worse case scenario.GP2 can't play this season but will play next. It sucks but it's still the best case for us

Wiseman only costs an extra 8 mil this year. It’s next year that the luxury tax payments explode, but we can trade him before we have to make those luxury tax payments. It’ll be easier to trade wiseman than an injured gp who has an extra year remaining.

[cpower]

Remember Steph is out another few weeks to a month, Rollins is out for the year, and Iguodala cant get/stay healthy. Why acquire someone we know cant help this season?

Neither wiseman nor gp2 can play this year. We are talking about next and the key is how bad the injury is

[Big J]

Remember Steph is out another few weeks to a month, Rollins is out for the year, and Iguodala cant get/stay healthy. Why acquire someone we know cant help this season?

Neither wiseman nor gp2 can play this year. We are talking about next and the key is how bad the injury is

We can always revisit this trade in the offseason. Better to hold off until we know he's actually 100% healthy. Wiseman's value probably goes up if we sit him down for the rest of the season. More mystery/intrigue.

[CDM_Stats]

Cavs fan coming in peace. I am aware about the issues involving GPs physical. With him being a good culture guy and locked into a longer term deal is it a chance you all just accept the deal?

If I was making the decision, no. But who knows what the front office will decide. I think there's a chance.

Its truly a coin flip. There's the human element, which leans heavily towards keeping GP2. And there's the logical element, which leans heavily towards keeping Wiseman

[CDM_Stats]

One thing to note too since I see a point getting mangled a bit: the physical paperwork is what clued in the Warriors to the frequency/amount of toradol, but more importantly, its long-term prognosis. IE - why its being given to him, what the plan is, as you cant just keep using toradol, its meant to be a bridge, typically one thats used at the end of an injury.

If the Blazers GM didn't indicate in trade talks about this, its not illegal, just immoral. Thus, the league cannot punish them. What would actually be illegal is if in the physical paperwork there's no indication of treatment.

Not defending it, just clarifying that there's likely no grounds for the league to step in, and any changes in compensation would likely be between the 2 teams, not handed down by Silver

[Chris Porter's Hair]

Prediction time. I'll predict: Portland and Golden State amend their part of the trade so that Golden State keeps their two 2nd round picks that were previously being sent to Portland. Having done so, the trade goes through. I don't know that I like that, but that's what I'll guess will happen.

[HiRez]

Prediction time. I'll predict: Portland and Golden State amend their part of the trade so that Golden State keeps their two 2nd round picks that were previously being sent to Portland. Having done so, the trade goes through. I don't know that I like that, but that's what I'll guess will happen.

Something like that sounds likely because it's too messy for everyone involved to unwind it, but I hate it unless GP2's injury is miraculously not as serious as it sounds like it is.

[Onus]

Cavs fan coming in peace. I am aware about the issues involving GPs physical. With him being a good culture guy and locked into a longer term deal is it a chance you all just accept the deal?

If I was making the decision, no. But who knows what the front office will decide. I think there's a chance.

Its truly a coin flip. There's the human element, which leans heavily towards keeping GP2. And there's the logical element, which leans heavily towards keeping Wiseman

This! Really makes it awkward for all involved but really it comes down to what the injury is and if he can get back to 100. Thoughts on him ever getting to 100?

[Dom801e]

One thing to note too since I see a point getting mangled a bit: the physical paperwork is what clued in the Warriors to the frequency/amount of toradol, but more importantly, its long-term prognosis. IE - why its being given to him, what the plan is, as you cant just keep using toradol, its meant to be a bridge, typically one thats used at the end of an injury.

If the Blazers GM didn't indicate in trade talks about this, its not illegal, just immoral. Thus, the league cannot punish them. What would actually be illegal is if in the physical paperwork there's no indication of treatment.

Not defending it, just clarifying that there's likely no grounds for the league to step in, and any changes in compensation would likely be between the 2 teams, not handed down by Silver

Was this reported somewhere or do you have a source regarding the paperwork?

[CDM_Stats]

If I was making the decision, no. But who knows what the front office will decide. I think there's a chance.

Its truly a coin flip. There's the human element, which leans heavily towards keeping GP2. And there's the logical element, which leans heavily towards keeping Wiseman

This! Really makes it awkward for all involved but really it comes down to what the injury is and if he can get back to 100. Thoughts on him ever getting to 100?

Which injury prone guy do you mean?

Core injuries are weird, vast range of outcomes. I've seen people complaining of stabbing pain in their gut be cured by a fart. On the other end of the spectrum, Biedrins was misdiagnosed and then was forced to turn to snorting his medication and never fully recovered

[CDM_Stats]

One thing to note too since I see a point getting mangled a bit: the physical paperwork is what clued in the Warriors to the frequency/amount of toradol, but more importantly, its long-term prognosis. IE - why its being given to him, what the plan is, as you cant just keep using toradol, its meant to be a bridge, typically one thats used at the end of an injury.

If the Blazers GM didn't indicate in trade talks about this, its not illegal, just immoral. Thus, the league cannot punish them. What would actually be illegal is if in the physical paperwork there's no indication of treatment.

Not defending it, just clarifying that there's likely no grounds for the league to step in, and any changes in compensation would likely be between the 2 teams, not handed down by Silver

Was this reported somewhere or do you have a source regarding the paperwork?

Dot connecting from knowing physical process

No doctor is going to risk losing their license so the Blazers can trade GP2 for a handful of 2nds, and the physical paperwork goes through doctors. Not training staff. So usually people who are loosely tied to the team as opposed to team trainers, who are closely tied to the team

[Dom801e]

I was thinking it’s possible Por did not send all of the records.

[HiRez]

If I was making the decision, no. But who knows what the front office will decide. I think there's a chance.

Its truly a coin flip. There's the human element, which leans heavily towards keeping GP2. And there's the logical element, which leans heavily towards keeping Wiseman

This! Really makes it awkward for all involved but really it comes down to what the injury is and if he can get back to 100. Thoughts on him ever getting to 100?

Heck, I'd take him at 85 even but it's not clear he'll be able to realistically play at all, ever. First of all, this injury sounds like it might be chronic and never go away or be fixable? And if he can play but it really hampers his abilities on the court that also seriously reduces his usefulness. Hopefully they're not paying him to be "a good locker room guy" but to clamp down on teams' biggest threats and dunk the hell out of the ball. If the injury prevents him from doing those things well, he's not of much use and is only going to take minutes away from guys like DDV and Kuminga (when he pushes other players up in position) because we know Kerr will play him even if he's bad.

[CDM_Stats]

I was thinking it’s possible Por did not send all of the records.

Portland doesnt send the medical records, as the medical records can contain personal medical information that is irrelevant to playing basketball and teams are not privvy to anything of that nature. All thats reported has to be related to potential performance of the sport

[HiRez]

I was thinking it’s possible Por did not send all of the records.

Portland doesnt send the medical records, as the medical records can contain personal medical information that is irrelevant to playing basketball and teams are not privvy to anything of that nature. All thats reported has to be related to potential performance of the sport

Is taking non-OTC pain medication to stay on the court not relevant to that? Would be difficult to argue it's not I think.

[Big J]

One thing to note too since I see a point getting mangled a bit: the physical paperwork is what clued in the Warriors to the frequency/amount of toradol, but more importantly, its long-term prognosis. IE - why its being given to him, what the plan is, as you cant just keep using toradol, its meant to be a bridge, typically one thats used at the end of an injury.

If the Blazers GM didn't indicate in trade talks about this, its not illegal, just immoral. Thus, the league cannot punish them. What would actually be illegal is if in the physical paperwork there's no indication of treatment.

Not defending it, just clarifying that there's likely no grounds for the league to step in, and any changes in compensation would likely be between the 2 teams, not handed down by Silver

It might not be illegal for them to not disclose his injury status in trade talks, but the league could still decide to punish them for doing it.

[CDM_Stats]

I was thinking it’s possible Por did not send all of the records.

Portland doesnt send the medical records, as the medical records can contain personal medical information that is irrelevant to playing basketball and teams are not privvy to anything of that nature. All thats reported has to be related to potential performance of the sport

Is taking non-OTC pain medication to stay on the court not relevant to that? Would be difficult to argue it's not I think.

Of course, but thats not the point. If you are inferring what I think you are, you should reset and re-read my last couple posts

[CDM_Stats]

One thing to note too since I see a point getting mangled a bit: the physical paperwork is what clued in the Warriors to the frequency/amount of toradol, but more importantly, its long-term prognosis. IE - why its being given to him, what the plan is, as you cant just keep using toradol, its meant to be a bridge, typically one thats used at the end of an injury.

If the Blazers GM didn't indicate in trade talks about this, its not illegal, just immoral. Thus, the league cannot punish them. What would actually be illegal is if in the physical paperwork there's no indication of treatment.

Not defending it, just clarifying that there's likely no grounds for the league to step in, and any changes in compensation would likely be between the 2 teams, not handed down by Silver

It might not be illegal for them to not disclose his injury status in trade talks, but the league could still decide to punish them for doing it.

no, they cannot. The official medical information is shared via physicals by physicians, anything shared in trade talks is a courtesy. Like if the Warriors sold off Wiseman as a great guy when it turns out he was pariah on the team, that's not illegal either. It looks terrible if they did it and likely affects relationships with other GMs, but if the league started arbitrarily punishing for things that are not against the rules, that would be problematic