Shaq vs Mikan

[Owly]

Yeah, I think Trex got the Gems and Gears mixed a bit there, the '46 Gears were a fine enough team (17-17), though obviously Mikan turned them into a dynasty.

Don't think it's confusion, necessarily, just choosing to use the first full year and indexing off a team that is technically a franchise continuity but isn't a team one. Though yes, Gears in-season arrival (moreso than I think '46, which is I think where 17-17 comes from, though perhaps both - I'd have to look at rosters) could be used too, though acquiring McDermott in season muddies that. Ultimately I don't think we can get a good precise read with a tidy "before". Just the consistent team success/dominance and the numbers and the post-prime impact pushing a suggestion of very high level impact.

[ShaqAttac]

Yeah, I think Trex got the Gems and Gears mixed a bit there, the '46 Gears were a fine enough team (17-17), though obviously Mikan turned them into a dynasty.

Don't think it's confusion, necessarily, just choosing to use the first full year and indexing off a team that is technically a franchise continuity but isn't a team one. Though yes, Gears in-season arrival (moreso than I think '46, which is I think where 17-17 comes from, though perhaps both - I'd have to look at rosters) could be used too, though acquiring McDermott in season muddies that. Ultimately I don't think we can get a good precise read with a tidy "before". Just the consistent team success/dominance and the numbers and the post-prime impact pushing a suggestion of very high level impact.

what was mikan postprime impact

[Owly]

Yeah, I think Trex got the Gems and Gears mixed a bit there, the '46 Gears were a fine enough team (17-17), though obviously Mikan turned them into a dynasty.

Don't think it's confusion, necessarily, just choosing to use the first full year and indexing off a team that is technically a franchise continuity but isn't a team one. Though yes, Gears in-season arrival (moreso than I think '46, which is I think where 17-17 comes from, though perhaps both - I'd have to look at rosters) could be used too, though acquiring McDermott in season muddies that. Ultimately I don't think we can get a good precise read with a tidy "before". Just the consistent team success/dominance and the numbers and the post-prime impact pushing a suggestion of very high level impact.

what was mikan postprime impact

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[ShaqAttac]

Don't think it's confusion, necessarily, just choosing to use the first full year and indexing off a team that is technically a franchise continuity but isn't a team one. Though yes, Gears in-season arrival (moreso than I think '46, which is I think where 17-17 comes from, though perhaps both - I'd have to look at rosters) could be used too, though acquiring McDermott in season muddies that. Ultimately I don't think we can get a good precise read with a tidy "before". Just the consistent team success/dominance and the numbers and the post-prime impact pushing a suggestion of very high level impact.

what was mikan postprime impact

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waaay too many decimals but 6-7 is p good i guess.

[Owly]

what was mikan postprime impact

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waaay too many decimals but 6-7 is p good i guess.

My preference is typically to give unrounded data. Because my preference would be to work with unrounded data. You can read those numbers to however many figures you want, nobody can un-round data (only re-generate it from scratch, if they even have access to the source data and the full process).

[trex_8063]

Yeah, I think Trex got the Gems and Gears mixed a bit there, the '46 Gears were a fine enough team (17-17), though obviously Mikan turned them into a dynasty.

Yeah, I even got the year wrong. Sorry; has been corrected.

fwiw, although the '46 Gears had a .500 record, they had a -3.1 MOV (5th of 8 teams, although VERY distantly behind 4th, and barely ahead of 6th).

[Owly]

Yeah, I think Trex got the Gems and Gears mixed a bit there, the '46 Gears were a fine enough team (17-17), though obviously Mikan turned them into a dynasty.

Yeah, I even got the year wrong. Sorry; has been corrected.

fwiw, although the '46 Gears had a .500 record, they had a -3.1 MOV (5th of 8 teams, although VERY distantly behind 4th, and barely ahead of 6th).

Corrected version now has Pollard on the Gears. Possibly revise?

Possibly cf top post on this page though you seem to have covered most of it.

Fwiw, folloup on that, between Mikan, the purchase of McDermott and Rick Barry's former father-in-law Bruce Hale 3 of the Gears top 4 scorers (we don't have mpg) by ppg are new to the '47 team (assuming you don't count Mikan's '46 World Tournament appearance; just going by RS rosters) - though 5 of the top 6 (though also 5 of the top 8) ppg scorers from '46 are on the '47 team.