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Post#221 » by RSP83 » Sun Feb 12, 2023 5:28 am

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LateNight wrote:I don’t know. I don’t think any of these waived guys will want to play here


I think tank is the best way to save the season.


Tanking doesn't help either the Magic have our draft pick!


The only way to increase our chance to get the top 4 pick is by going 0-26 the rest of the way.
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Post#222 » by Ccwatercraft » Sun Feb 12, 2023 5:54 am

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bullsaficianado wrote:Why not with Russ it's not like this team is over performing this season or what not. I like his game and he is a good fit with the Bulls.


I hate his game and think he’s a terrible fit. But I’d still do it.

What a hilariously truthful way to put it lol. I love Russ as an athlete, think he's a pretty cool person, but don't think he plays much of a winning style and isn't a good skillset fit here. But like you, I'd do it anyway. Either it surprisingly improves us a little bit if we can have a fun end to the season with a little bit of playoff action or perhaps even more likely he actively makes us worse and makes the need for real changes more glaring.

At the end of the day I have conceited that Caruso and Ayo and Coby are not point guards and should not be guys with the ball in their hands that much.

That leaves Russ versus Lavine and Dragic. I think you can know that Russ kind of sucks and still logically believe that he's better as your primary ball handler than Zach due to agression and passing ability, and better than Dragic due to defense and finishing ability.

I know Westbrook's defense has declined over the years but is it safe to say that it's still better than Dragic and probably better than Zach on opposing point guards?


Imo Alex, coby , ayo really don't Have the ball in their hands that much anyway. Dragic yes. Russ does hog the ball and run the clock down but he dishes very well and at least to me feels like the best option considering everything.
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Post#223 » by DorO » Sun Feb 12, 2023 8:01 am

The deadline for Russ buyout is March 1st if he wants to be part of PO team. Though he would not help with 3p shooting, it would make Zach getting 100% attention - it would be very bad move.
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Post#224 » by Andi Obst » Sun Feb 12, 2023 8:48 am

Can't really think of a worse fit with this team than Russ. Inefficient, non-shooting turnover machine who takes the ball away from Zach and DeMar? Hell yeah!

Since the season is effectively over, I don't care. But if Ak truly believe Russ helps this team...oof.
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Post#225 » by nekorajo » Sun Feb 12, 2023 11:02 am

LateNight wrote:I don’t know. I don’t think any of these waived guys will want to play here


Agreed. People are talking like the Bulls would be doing Russ a favor by bringing him to Chicago. That's bs. The 9 time Allstar would be honoring us with his presence.
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Post#226 » by erlim » Sun Feb 12, 2023 11:39 am

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LateNight wrote:I don’t know. I don’t think any of these waived guys will want to play here


Agreed. People are talking like the Bulls would be doing Russ a favor by bringing him to Chicago. That's bs. The 9 time Allstar would be honoring us with his presence.


I don't think that's definitely true. While I am also expecting to be disappointed and expect Russ to go elsewhere, not to mention I don't see how Westbrook improves this roster at all -- I don't think you can discard the fact that the national and LA media have been absolutely dragged Russ, his ball skills, and value through the mud. Maybe he feels comfortable staying in LA with the Clippers, maybe not. Chicago isn't getting wins, but the bulls also offer Russ the most opportunity to reverse the narrative around him in a lot of ways. If he was at all able to contribute in shifting the tides to general competitiveness in Chicago, he'd add to his value more than being a hanger on in Utah or the Clips.
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Post#227 » by Jcool0 » Sun Feb 12, 2023 2:04 pm

Little Nathan wrote:Can't really think of a worse fit with this team than Russ. Inefficient, non-shooting turnover machine who takes the ball away from Zach and DeMar? Hell yeah!

Since the season is effectively over, I don't care. But if Ak truly believe Russ helps this team...oof.


Yeah lets stick with this current team! No reason to mess with it!!! They are looking so good right now! Russ will give us 8 of the worst assists possible per game, cant have that!!! I mean we all know not one of those 8 assists will go to Zach on the 3 point line!
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Post#229 » by biggestbullsfan » Sun Feb 12, 2023 5:23 pm

It seems most of the sentiment around Russ is we can’t get much worse than what we are. And i agree. No one thinks Russ is fixing our issues. We had a trade deadline come and go without addressing it. At least it’s adding something we don’t have. How that works out remains to be seen but I’ll definitely tune in more.

At minimum, maybe he can help us from collapsing in every second half like we currently do.
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Post#230 » by fleet » Sun Feb 12, 2023 5:31 pm

biggestbullsfan wrote:It seems most of the sentiment around Russ is we can’t get much worse than what we are. And i agree. No one thinks Russ is fixing our issues. We had a trade deadline come and go without addressing it. At least it’s adding something we don’t have. How that works out remains to be seen but I’ll definitely tune in more.

At minimum, maybe he can help us from collapsing in every second half like we currently do.


The bolded portion, basically. Russ will probably probably arrive, shot out of a cannon. Some fun stuff may occur. But make no mistake. This team is ultimately destined for ignominy. Russ will be the cherry on top of the fallen cake. That’s got to weigh on the decision for AK. Russ can’t fix the team. But he can marginally improve it to the point of ultimately highlighting AKME failure.
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Post#231 » by jnrjr79 » Sun Feb 12, 2023 6:01 pm

To me, the least desirable thing the Bulls can do for the rest of the season is just keep operating as-is. Perhaps being the 9 or 10 seed and making the play-in…what’s the point?

The Russ signing might go terribly. If so, great. I’d rather see the Bulls in the lottery with a minuscule chance of vaulting into the top four than be a low play-in team.

And there’s a non-zero chance it gives the team a jolt. If you believe Billy that a lot of the current issues are effort/being ready to play, Russ is a guy who will bring it. He’s more of a real PG than anything else the Bulls are trotting out there. He’ll push pace. He’ll rebound. Yes, the shooting fit is comical given the Bulls’ already weak performance there, but whatever. It’s not like stealing minutes from Ayo is going to make it much worse.

In a year where your pick is highly likely to convey to another team and you’re this middling, why the hell not? It at least gives me a reason to watch.

From Westbrook’s perspective, it seems like a good opportunity. You’ll get the starting gig and know you’ll be playing for a coach who you worked with during your best seasons. Seems like a pretty good setup when you’re playing for one more contract.
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Post#232 » by weneeda2guard » Sun Feb 12, 2023 6:42 pm

Having a pg would have won us the past 2 games. Late turnovers and inability to execute offense continues to kill us. Lavine is not a pg. Caruso can't shoot and passes up shots and Donovan won't take him off the court. As long as Donovan can get to Westbrook and stop him from going iso in the 4th having a guy who can handle the ball and run the offense would do wonders for our late game execution. If we can get more of the wizards Westbrook it would be helpful for cheap.
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Post#233 » by kodo » Sun Feb 12, 2023 6:48 pm

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I think tank is the best way to save the season.


Tanking doesn't help either the Magic have our draft pick!


The only way to increase our chance to get the top 4 pick is by going 0-26 the rest of the way.


The tanking plan is even more insane than the playoff plan.

We are 12 games out of catching up to the bottom 4 teams.
We're in the play-in now, and 2.5 games out of a 7th/8th seed play-in.
We currently have an 80% chance of not getting our pick, even strong tanking at this point with the season mostly over isn't going to change much.

Teams need to pick a lane. And the tanking lane is about 6 lanes over. Bulls are stuck on the NBA treadmill by their inaction over the summer & trade deadline.
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Post#235 » by AshyLarrysDiaper » Sun Feb 12, 2023 7:43 pm

My motivation to sign Westbrook has waned these last couple days. I don’t want to catch lightning in a bottle. This team isn’t worth it. Better to keep losing - which Russ might’ve contributed to anyway - and maximize our chances of keeping the pick.

Worst case scenario is that we hand Orlando a pick in the 5-7 range, and the awful optics mean AK is held accountable.
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Post#236 » by greenwing » Sun Feb 12, 2023 9:33 pm

Danny Green signing with the Cavs is a good example of a player signing with a team to showcase his skills. Granted, he has three rings so he does not necessarily need to ring chase. But he's joining a roster with a puncher's chance of winning and looking for a team he could potentially stay with come this offseason. I think for the Westbrook naysayers who are saying that we can't contend so he should look elsewhere, the Green signing is a good example of why he would potentially consider us. Not saying that he's definitely coming here, but we are certainly a possible destination.

For record, for all the hate that the front office has gotten, we have been a destination since AKME took over. They convinced DeRozan, Ball, Caruso, Drummond and Dragic to come here. The only free agent that we courted that was publicly reported that didn't come here is Danilo Gallinari who chose Boston over us. The track record is there that they can convince guys to come. Outside of Gasol, it's hard to think of any quality free agents that chose us under the Paxson/Forman years. Most of the guys that came were second tier or guys we went after as secondary options after missing out on the big fish. Now you can certainly argue that the Vucevic and Markkanen trades may not have been good in hindsight or that drafting Williams high may have been a mistake, but in terms of convincing free agents to come to Chicago they have been pretty solid thus far.
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Post#237 » by Red8911 » Mon Feb 13, 2023 1:54 am

greenwing wrote:Danny Green signing with the Cavs is a good example of a player signing with a team to showcase his skills. Granted, he has three rings so he does not necessarily need to ring chase. But he's joining a roster with a puncher's chance of winning and looking for a team he could potentially stay with come this offseason. I think for the Westbrook naysayers who are saying that we can't contend so he should look elsewhere, the Green signing is a good example of why he would potentially consider us. Not saying that he's definitely coming here, but we are certainly a possible destination.

For record, for all the hate that the front office has gotten, we have been a destination since AKME took over. They convinced DeRozan, Ball, Caruso, Drummond and Dragic to come here. The only free agent that we courted that was publicly reported that didn't come here is Danilo Gallinari who chose Boston over us. The track record is there that they can convince guys to come. Outside of Gasol, it's hard to think of any quality free agents that chose us under the Paxson/Forman years. Most of the guys that came were second tier or guys we went after as secondary options after missing out on the big fish. Now you can certainly argue that the Vucevic and Markkanen trades may not have been good in hindsight or that drafting Williams high may have been a mistake, but in terms of convincing free agents to come to Chicago they have been pretty solid thus far.

Yup they have done a good job so far and as you said brought in names that Pax never did and he was here a lot longer. Even if AK convinces Russ to come here over Miami or the Clippers then that would be impressive despite Russ not being the player he once was.It’s proves that this front office is capable of bringing in talent. Let’s first see if they do indeed get him though.
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Post#238 » by prolific passer » Mon Feb 13, 2023 2:05 am

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greenwing wrote:Danny Green signing with the Cavs is a good example of a player signing with a team to showcase his skills. Granted, he has three rings so he does not necessarily need to ring chase. But he's joining a roster with a puncher's chance of winning and looking for a team he could potentially stay with come this offseason. I think for the Westbrook naysayers who are saying that we can't contend so he should look elsewhere, the Green signing is a good example of why he would potentially consider us. Not saying that he's definitely coming here, but we are certainly a possible destination.

For record, for all the hate that the front office has gotten, we have been a destination since AKME took over. They convinced DeRozan, Ball, Caruso, Drummond and Dragic to come here. The only free agent that we courted that was publicly reported that didn't come here is Danilo Gallinari who chose Boston over us. The track record is there that they can convince guys to come. Outside of Gasol, it's hard to think of any quality free agents that chose us under the Paxson/Forman years. Most of the guys that came were second tier or guys we went after as secondary options after missing out on the big fish. Now you can certainly argue that the Vucevic and Markkanen trades may not have been good in hindsight or that drafting Williams high may have been a mistake, but in terms of convincing free agents to come to Chicago they have been pretty solid thus far.

Yup they have done a good job so far and as you said brought in names that Pax never did and he was here a lot longer. Even if AK convinces Russ to come here over Miami or the Clippers then that would be impressive despite Russ not being the player he once was.It’s proves that this front office is capable of bringing in talent. Let’s first see if they do indeed get him though.

Paxson tried to build through the draft though and got some pretty good players and big names with it.
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Post#239 » by d boy gentleman » Mon Feb 13, 2023 3:52 am

AshyLarrysDiaper wrote:My motivation to sign Westbrook has waned these last couple days. I don’t want to catch lightning in a bottle. This team isn’t worth it. Better to keep losing - which Russ might’ve contributed to anyway - and maximize our chances of keeping the pick.

Worst case scenario is that we hand Orlando a pick in the 5-7 range, and the awful optics mean AK is held accountable.


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Post#240 » by HomoSapien » Mon Feb 13, 2023 5:49 am

Still, a source close to the situation wouldn’t totally dismiss a buyout after the dust settled on the new rosters after a crazy trade deadline. It figures to be a very crowded buyout market — especially for point guards — which theoretically diminishes Rose’s chances of finding another team. Russell Westbrook, John Wall, Patrick Beverly and Reggie Jackson are all expected to agree to buyouts, if they haven’t already, with their respective teams.

“I haven’t even thought about it. I haven’t thought about it,” Rose said. “Normally around that time, the ball is in their court. So basically, you’re getting directions from other people to tell you where to go or what your next job is.”


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