Welcome back GP2!!

[weekend_warrior]

To be clear, despite what I predicted, I personally hope we just rescind the trade. I love GP2, but that's a very scary prospect. We could end up finding we traded Wiseman for worse than nothing; no appreciable benefit, but not saving most of the money.

Wiseman was giving us nothing so it's not much of a difference.

The downside for Wiseman is limited to not picking up his team option next year and get him off the books. GP2 may never be the same and has 2 more years of (I believe) fully guaranteed contract. In that case you would have to attach assets to dump his contract.

[ClutchUp]

To be clear, despite what I predicted, I personally hope we just rescind the trade. I love GP2, but that's a very scary prospect. We could end up finding we traded Wiseman for worse than nothing; no appreciable benefit, but not saving most of the money.

Wiseman was giving us nothing so it's not much of a difference.

The downside for Wiseman is limited to not picking up his team option next year and get him off the books. GP2 may never be the same and has 2 more years of (I believe) fully guaranteed contract. In that case you would have to attach assets to dump his contract.

Even coming off this injury I still think Payton is the safer bet to excel here.

[weekend_warrior]

Wiseman was giving us nothing so it's not much of a difference.

The downside for Wiseman is limited to not picking up his team option next year and get him off the books. GP2 may never be the same and has 2 more years of (I believe) fully guaranteed contract. In that case you would have to attach assets to dump his contract.

Even coming off this injury I still think Payton is the safer bet to excel here.

I don't disagree, but if he cannot play now, you have to revisit a trade in the off-season. Doing it now is a waste of assets.

[tarantism]

If the dubs accept any version of this trade that had Gp2 & his contract coming to them then they are absolute fools.

They were fools to take the trade in the first place. I'd take one final season to see where Wiseman ends up over two more (?) seasons of a declining GP2. That's without accounting for this current reported injury and the time missed from him this season already. That Portland contract was sketchy when he signed it and while he seems like a great guy and all we shouldn't have been lining up to bail the Blazers out. This reeks of a front office that has no creative answers so they just try what worked last time.

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[Onus]

If the dubs accept any version of this trade that had Gp2 & his contract coming to them then they are absolute fools.

They were fools to take the trade in the first place. I'd take one final season to see where Wiseman ends up over two more (?) seasons of a declining GP2. That's without accounting for this current reported injury and the time missed from him this season already. That Portland contract was sketchy when he signed it and while he seems like a great guy and all we shouldn't have been lining up to bail the Blazers out. This reeks of a front office that has no creative answers so they just try what worked last time.

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The front office doesn’t even know what we need. Oh let’s get another guard even though we’re the smallest team in the nba. Wtf is this. The nba isn’t a 6’7” and under league.

[Crazy-Canuck]

As long as poole and klay have carte blanche, might as well play wise, moody, and kuminga 30+ minutes. Shut down steph, wiggs, and dray for the year.

Kerr has given up anyways.

[weekend_warrior]

As long as poole and klay have carte blanche, might as well play wise, moody, and kuminga 30+ minutes. Shut down steph, wiggs, and dray for the year.

Kerr has given up anyways.

Have to shut down Kerr as well for thst to happen

[BayAreaDub]

If the dubs accept any version of this trade that had Gp2 & his contract coming to them then they are absolute fools.

They were fools to take the trade in the first place. I'd take one final season to see where Wiseman ends up over two more (?) seasons of a declining GP2. That's without accounting for this current reported injury and the time missed from him this season already. That Portland contract was sketchy when he signed it and while he seems like a great guy and all we shouldn't have been lining up to bail the Blazers out. This reeks of a front office that has no creative answers so they just try what worked last time.

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The front office doesn’t even know what we need. Oh let’s get another guard even though we’re the smallest team in the nba. Wtf is this. The nba isn’t a 6’7” and under league.

Hey man GP2 is a 6’2” PF/C

This is kind of another reason I want the trade voided. Regardless, we can have GP2 for the minimum next year when PDX waives/buys him out eventually.

[HoopsFanAZ]

Why did GP2’s agent say he didn’t receive Toradol injections in order to play?
This doesn’t affect his failing a physical and deciding to keep him or send him back of course, but it doesn’t look good.

[Samurai]

Why did GP2’s agent say he didn’t receive Toradol injections in order to play?
This doesn’t affect his failing a physical and deciding to keep him or send him back of course, but it doesn’t look good.

It was reported that GP2 is the one who told the Dubs about the Toradol injections. So to have his agent come out and say otherwise, the agent is essentially saying 'my client (GP2) is a liar'. If that is the case, seems like GP2 needs to fire his agent yesterday.

[CDM_Stats]

Why did GP2’s agent say he didn’t receive Toradol injections in order to play?
This doesn’t affect his failing a physical and deciding to keep him or send him back of course, but it doesn’t look good.

It was reported that GP2 is the one who told the Dubs about the Toradol injections. So to have his agent come out and say otherwise, the agent is essentially saying 'my client (GP2) is a liar'. If that is the case, seems like GP2 needs to fire his agent yesterday.

Can you show me that?

Also lets be clear - it an agent, and he never said that GP2 didn't get toradol. He said it wasn't given pre-game to get him through a game, which is something that would be done to intentionally manipulate, or (troubling enough) to get a player through a very important game, like a playoff game. I'm sure there are agents who are good people out there, but as a rule I see agents as people who were too slimy to be lawyers

Fun note too: In his quote, the agent said "GP2 has never taken toradol to be available for games.. for the Blazers." Thought that was interesting because of what it implies, since GSW knew GP2 had a core muscle issue to end last season and he played in the final 5 games of the Finals. It points to the W's using toradol on him for the same injury. But to also be fair to the Warriors, thats an accepted practice in the NBA. Toradol is basically concentrated ibuprofen/Aleve and it can really do wonders in terms of pain management for the short-term, mostly deployed in playoffs or super important games

[Samurai]

Why did GP2’s agent say he didn’t receive Toradol injections in order to play?
This doesn’t affect his failing a physical and deciding to keep him or send him back of course, but it doesn’t look good.

It was reported that GP2 is the one who told the Dubs about the Toradol injections. So to have his agent come out and say otherwise, the agent is essentially saying 'my client (GP2) is a liar'. If that is the case, seems like GP2 needs to fire his agent yesterday.

Can you show me that?

Also lets be clear - it an agent, and he never said that GP2 didn't get toradol. He said it wasn't given pre-game to get him through a game, which is something that would be done to intentionally manipulate, or (troubling enough) to get a player through a very important game, like a playoff game. I'm sure there are agents who are good people out there, but as a rule I see agents as people who were too slimy to be lawyers

Fun note too: In his quote, the agent said "GP2 has never taken toradol to be available for games.. for the Blazers." Thought that was interesting because of what it implies, since GSW knew GP2 had a core muscle issue to end last season and he played in the final 5 games of the Finals. It points to the W's using toradol on him for the same injury. But to also be fair to the Warriors, thats an accepted practice in the NBA. Toradol is basically concentrated ibuprofen/Aleve and it can really do wonders in terms of pain management for the short-term, mostly deployed in playoffs or super important games

Charania Slater is the one who reported that the Blazers had been giving him Toradol shots to stay on the court, but it was one of the NBSBA talking heads who said that GP2 mentioned that to the Dubs.

[tarantism]

Why did GP2’s agent say he didn’t receive Toradol injections in order to play?
This doesn’t affect his failing a physical and deciding to keep him or send him back of course, but it doesn’t look good.

It was reported that GP2 is the one who told the Dubs about the Toradol injections. So to have his agent come out and say otherwise, the agent is essentially saying 'my client (GP2) is a liar'. If that is the case, seems like GP2 needs to fire his agent yesterday.

Can you show me that?

Also lets be clear - it an agent, and he never said that GP2 didn't get toradol. He said it wasn't given pre-game to get him through a game, which is something that would be done to intentionally manipulate, or (troubling enough) to get a player through a very important game, like a playoff game. I'm sure there are agents who are good people out there, but as a rule I see agents as people who were too slimy to be lawyers

Fun note too: In his quote, the agent said "GP2 has never taken toradol to be available for games.. for the Blazers." Thought that was interesting because of what it implies, since GSW knew GP2 had a core muscle issue to end last season and he played in the final 5 games of the Finals. It points to the W's using toradol on him for the same injury. But to also be fair to the Warriors, thats an accepted practice in the NBA. Toradol is basically concentrated ibuprofen/Aleve and it can really do wonders in terms of pain management for the short-term, mostly deployed in playoffs or super important games

Yes and reporting also indicated that Toradol injections weren't a common practice [i]in the regular season[/b].

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[CDM_Stats]

It was reported that GP2 is the one who told the Dubs about the Toradol injections. So to have his agent come out and say otherwise, the agent is essentially saying 'my client (GP2) is a liar'. If that is the case, seems like GP2 needs to fire his agent yesterday.

Can you show me that?

Also lets be clear - it an agent, and he never said that GP2 didn't get toradol. He said it wasn't given pre-game to get him through a game, which is something that would be done to intentionally manipulate, or (troubling enough) to get a player through a very important game, like a playoff game. I'm sure there are agents who are good people out there, but as a rule I see agents as people who were too slimy to be lawyers

Fun note too: In his quote, the agent said "GP2 has never taken toradol to be available for games.. for the Blazers." Thought that was interesting because of what it implies, since GSW knew GP2 had a core muscle issue to end last season and he played in the final 5 games of the Finals. It points to the W's using toradol on him for the same injury. But to also be fair to the Warriors, thats an accepted practice in the NBA. Toradol is basically concentrated ibuprofen/Aleve and it can really do wonders in terms of pain management for the short-term, mostly deployed in playoffs or super important games

Charania Slater is the one who reported that the Blazers had been giving him Toradol shots to stay on the court, but it was one of the NBSBA talking heads who said that GP2 mentioned that to the Dubs.

The only way that toradol didnt show up on the physical report is if it was being given in secret by a trainer, a la Mike Reinold (Boston Red Sox - I want to say mid-late 2000s? Cant recall)

But if that were the case, it becomes a million times more complex. Blazers cant report out something they arent aware of, and all of a sudden that trainer and GP2 become focal points. I'm not really going to play this situation out because I think if anyone reporting, or even off-handedly saying this, has ever been in a trainers room.. the amount of deception it would take to make this happen is insane. Cameras everywhere. Audits for missing meds and syringes. It couldnt possibly be sterile because the sterile rooms are littered with cameras. Etc etc

[CDM_Stats]

It was reported that GP2 is the one who told the Dubs about the Toradol injections. So to have his agent come out and say otherwise, the agent is essentially saying 'my client (GP2) is a liar'. If that is the case, seems like GP2 needs to fire his agent yesterday.

Can you show me that?

Also lets be clear - it an agent, and he never said that GP2 didn't get toradol. He said it wasn't given pre-game to get him through a game, which is something that would be done to intentionally manipulate, or (troubling enough) to get a player through a very important game, like a playoff game. I'm sure there are agents who are good people out there, but as a rule I see agents as people who were too slimy to be lawyers

Fun note too: In his quote, the agent said "GP2 has never taken toradol to be available for games.. for the Blazers." Thought that was interesting because of what it implies, since GSW knew GP2 had a core muscle issue to end last season and he played in the final 5 games of the Finals. It points to the W's using toradol on him for the same injury. But to also be fair to the Warriors, thats an accepted practice in the NBA. Toradol is basically concentrated ibuprofen/Aleve and it can really do wonders in terms of pain management for the short-term, mostly deployed in playoffs or super important games

Yes and reporting also indicated that Toradol injections weren't a common practice [i]in the regular season[/b].

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I noted that in the last sentence, but even what you are saying is not unequivocally true. Based on %s, definitely yes. Based on counting #s.. no, probably not. Its also used when someone is coming back from an injury and has some targeted soreness that they cant shake, but aren't at any elevated risk to re-injure (or in some cases, would be at an elevated risk to reinjure based on a ton of factors).

I should have said this initially but, a more accurate way is: toradol is not typically used to mask injury in the regular season, but it is in the playoffs. It is used for more than just masking injuries though. Lets say the Blazers staff was using it because they believed he was towards the end of the injury window with his core muscle injury, thats not deceitful. Maybe incompetent? But it certainly wouldn't be outside the norm

[Chris Porter's Hair]

To be clear, despite what I predicted, I personally hope we just rescind the trade. I love GP2, but that's a very scary prospect. We could end up finding we traded Wiseman for worse than nothing; no appreciable benefit, but not saving most of the money.

Wiseman was giving us nothing so it's not much of a difference.

The downside for Wiseman is limited to not picking up his team option next year and get him off the books. GP2 may never be the same and has 2 more years of (I believe) fully guaranteed contract. In that case you would have to attach assets to dump his contract.

* Wiseman was not giving us much, but it is not accurate to say he was giving us nothing, and from my view he was trending in the right direction. The last few games he played he was perfectly fine.
* Even if you are right, there is a big difference between getting nothing and getting nothing but it costing you what Payton is going to be paid. I was comparing the prospect of giving up Wiseman for nothing, vs. giving up Wiseman, and getting a nothing that costs you tens of millions of dollars.
* We already did pick up Wiseman's team option for next year, didn't we? Confirmed we did exercise it on 10/31.
* Even if we did, Payton has two years remaining, I believe. Yes, just confirmed the last year of his current deal is a player option. So if he had the option to get paid $9m while injured, I suspect he'd take it.

[ClutchUp]

Wiseman was giving us nothing so it's not much of a difference.

The downside for Wiseman is limited to not picking up his team option next year and get him off the books. GP2 may never be the same and has 2 more years of (I believe) fully guaranteed contract. In that case you would have to attach assets to dump his contract.

* Wiseman was not giving us much, but it is not accurate to say he was giving us nothing, and from my view he was trending in the right direction. The last few games he played he was perfectly fine.
* Even if you are right, there is a big difference between getting nothing and getting nothing but it costing you what Payton is going to be paid. I was comparing the prospect of giving up Wiseman for nothing, vs. giving up Wiseman, and getting a nothing that costs you tens of millions of dollars.
* We already did pick up Wiseman's team option for next year, didn't we? Confirmed we did exercise it on 10/31.
* Even if we did, Payton has two years remaining, I believe. Yes, just confirmed the last year of his current deal is a player option. So if he had the option to get paid $9m while injured, I suspect he'd take it.

To be fair that was a very small sample size.

[marthafokker]

The downside for Wiseman is limited to not picking up his team option next year and get him off the books. GP2 may never be the same and has 2 more years of (I believe) fully guaranteed contract. In that case you would have to attach assets to dump his contract.

* Wiseman was not giving us much, but it is not accurate to say he was giving us nothing, and from my view he was trending in the right direction. The last few games he played he was perfectly fine.
* Even if you are right, there is a big difference between getting nothing and getting nothing but it costing you what Payton is going to be paid. I was comparing the prospect of giving up Wiseman for nothing, vs. giving up Wiseman, and getting a nothing that costs you tens of millions of dollars.
* We already did pick up Wiseman's team option for next year, didn't we? Confirmed we did exercise it on 10/31.
* Even if we did, Payton has two years remaining, I believe. Yes, just confirmed the last year of his current deal is a player option. So if he had the option to get paid $9m while injured, I suspect he'd take it.

To be fair that was a very small sample size.

To be fair. There is no sample size when the coach loves midgets.

[DonaldSanders]

Welcome Back GPII!!

[Chris Porter's Hair]

* Wiseman was not giving us much, but it is not accurate to say he was giving us nothing, and from my view he was trending in the right direction. The last few games he played he was perfectly fine.
* Even if you are right, there is a big difference between getting nothing and getting nothing but it costing you what Payton is going to be paid. I was comparing the prospect of giving up Wiseman for nothing, vs. giving up Wiseman, and getting a nothing that costs you tens of millions of dollars.
* We already did pick up Wiseman's team option for next year, didn't we? Confirmed we did exercise it on 10/31.
* Even if we did, Payton has two years remaining, I believe. Yes, just confirmed the last year of his current deal is a player option. So if he had the option to get paid $9m while injured, I suspect he'd take it.

To be fair that was a very small sample size.

To be fair. There is no sample size when the coach loves midgets.

Perhaps if you make that joke a few more times it will become funny.