2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 5 - The KD era begins

Ghost of Kleine · Post #1681 » by **Ghost of Kleine** » Sun Feb 12, 2023 5:46 pm

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This is odd! Another wing after Ross when our much bigger needs would be a 3rd quality big (4/5) or a 3rd guard for insurance against Payne injury durability issues??? :-?

BobbieL · Post #1682 » by **BobbieL** » Sun Feb 12, 2023 5:58 pm

Ghost of Kleine wrote:
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This is odd! Another wing after Ross when our much bigger needs would be a 3rd quality big (4/5) or a 3rd guard for insurance against Payne injury durability issues???

If Payne is healthy, the Suns are fine. Bring up Ish and roll with it. And the Ross signing tells me Payne will be fine. The playoffs are about an 8-9 man rotation depending on the game. One game you might start Okogie but against another team you start Craig.

Biz might get more run against certain teams than Jock.

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #1683 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Sun Feb 12, 2023 6:15 pm

Ross was probably the best free agent available after Reggie Jackson, so good on us for grabbing him. Looking at the rest of the players who are or may become available, Love and Wall are the only players who would give us something different. Everyone else - Barton, Noel, Len, Young, Dragic, Rose, Ibaka, Forbes, Drummond - is either no better or worse than the player we'd have to let go to add him.

PG's the weak spot, but we'll probably just run Book or Durant (or Shamet) at PG if Payne's not healthy. Saben Lee has played well relative to expectations, too. The only guys who can give us something we don't have at PG are Westbrook and Pat Bev, who (and I won't argue about it) aren't coming here, and Wall and Dragic.

Dragic can still play and gives us experience, but no legs. He'd warm some hearts, but the most we could look for from him is one or two games where he provides late-game heroics: he wouldn't play more than a handful of games in the playoffs. Saben Lee's probably better overall, so I dont' see him here.

John Wall can still get to the rim and make things happen. But I wouldn't want to play him very much, because he'd be the weak spot in our offense due to his shooting. Not a great insurance policy either, with his injury history. Would he be happy playing 5 games for us in the playoffs, used just to mix it up if nothing else is working? My guess is no.

Ghost of Kleine · Post #1684 » by **Ghost of Kleine** » Sun Feb 12, 2023 6:21 pm

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Slim Charless · Post #1685 » by **Slim Charless** » Sun Feb 12, 2023 6:27 pm

Ghost of Kleine wrote:
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This is odd! Another wing after Ross when our much bigger needs would be a 3rd quality big (4/5) or a 3rd guard for insurance against Payne injury durability issues???

Boston is the most likely team that makes it pit of the east. So IF we make it, we should all be rooting against them doing anything good.

I'll be happy if any of other teams get him.

Saberestar · Post #1686 » by **Saberestar** » Sun Feb 12, 2023 6:32 pm

Three-time champion Danny Green is nearing an agreement with the Cleveland Cavaliers, his agent/attorney Raymond Brothers of @RocNationSports tells ESPN. The Cavs can offer Green significant opportunity to make an impact on a playoff team.

Desertfox · Post #1687 » by **Desertfox** » Sun Feb 12, 2023 6:33 pm

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timetoshinebaby wrote:Look don't get me wrong, I hate trading the twins. However, it's irrelevant as we have done it.

This whinging about how little depth we have is a little over the top. We had a net loss of one player and by sounds of it we are signing Ross so we aren't down a body.

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't mind a Reggie Jackson and say a Nerlens Noel for depth. However, the sky isn't falling.

We are going all in, were going to get what we can. Assume we are going to get a PG it we were chasing one late on free agency.

We replaced dario who was barely playing with bazley too... I mean hes not going to get many minutes either but its a slight upgrade to me.

I think it kinda breaks down like:

KD > Mikal
Warren = Cam
Bazley = Dario
Ross > Jae (Wasnt playing)

We definitely got better.

We are in the grieving stage until KD plays a game with the Suns. Once he does im sure most people will come around and move on.

The issue with depth is that Mikal never missed a game and KD isn't know for health. We picked up Warren but he doesn't help there either, being just as injury prone as Cam. Bazley and Ross will help, but neither are a good substitute for any of our starters, who all now have major injury concerns, with Ayton being the most durable.

Ghost of Kleine · Post #1688 » by **Ghost of Kleine** » Sun Feb 12, 2023 6:40 pm

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ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #1689 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Sun Feb 12, 2023 6:50 pm

Slim Charless wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:
matt131 wrote:

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This is odd! Another wing after Ross when our much bigger needs would be a 3rd quality big (4/5) or a 3rd guard for insurance against Payne injury durability issues???

Boston is the most likely team that makes it pit of the east. So IF we make it, we should all be rooting against them doing anything good.

I'll be happy if any of other teams get him.

Milwaukee scares me more than Boston - especially with Crowder, who you know would play with the sharpest of edges against us. Bucks have played most of their season without their second-best player and are just a game behind the Celtics.

So go Celtics, I say.

matt131 · Post #1690 » by **matt131** » Sun Feb 12, 2023 6:50 pm

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I know we can’t just sign everyone, but defensively, Stanley Johnson makes a ton of sense.

TOO · Post #1691 » by **TOO** » Sun Feb 12, 2023 6:55 pm

Why does everyone wanna keep Ish? He's awful, nice guy I'm sure, but he's not good.

Slim Charless · Post #1692 » by **Slim Charless** » Sun Feb 12, 2023 6:58 pm

ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:
Slim Charless wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:
This is odd! Another wing after Ross when our much bigger needs would be a 3rd quality big (4/5) or a 3rd guard for insurance against Payne injury durability issues???

Boston is the most likely team that makes it pit of the east. So IF we make it, we should all be rooting against them doing anything good.

I'll be happy if any of other teams get him.

Milwaukee scares me more than Boston - especially with Crowder, who you know would play with the sharpest of edges against us. Bucks have played most of their season without their second-best player and are just a game behind the Celtics.

So go Celtics, I say.

A healthy Celtics worries me more. That's not only due to the obvious issues with the Js but more so due to Timelord. If you watched them, then you'll know that Marcus Smart was the best defender but Timelord was the most important. He was a nightmare when he was healthy. His switchabliity and help defense allowed them to stay home with Horford and allowed Smart to gamble more.

If Boston healthy, they'll beat the Bucks. Easily imo too. Now, that being said, I'd love another chance at Milwaukee and to be able to beat Jae would make it even more sweet.

matt131 · Post #1693 » by **matt131** » Sun Feb 12, 2023 7:18 pm

Dang man I feel bad for this guy. He seems to re aggravate his injuries often

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Saberestar · Post #1694 » by **Saberestar** » Sun Feb 12, 2023 7:21 pm

TOO wrote:Why does everyone wanna keep Ish? He's awful, nice guy I'm sure, but he's not good.

He is playing good basketball lately.

Wainright's last five games (4W-1L):

9.4 points
3.4 boards
3.4 assists
1.4 steals
0.8 blocks

Shooting 33.3% from three (9/27) in 23 minutes per game.

He is playing a good amount of minutes and has been particularly good on defense.

phx#7 · Post #1695 » by **phx#7** » Sun Feb 12, 2023 7:22 pm

matt131 wrote:

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I know we can’t just sign everyone, but defensively, Stanley Johnson makes a ton of sense.

He'd be my #1 target right now.

NavLDO · Post #1696 » by **NavLDO** » Sun Feb 12, 2023 7:25 pm

matt131 wrote:

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I know we can’t just sign everyone, but defensively, Stanley Johnson makes a ton of sense.

Heck yeah! He won't last long on the market, unless his defense has gone by the wayside...He's young, and shooting 45% from 3 this season? Yeah, it's a small sample size, but hey...why not? Looks better than most others, unless maybe Kevin Knox is a buyout candidate, but that would happen until this mess of a 4-team trade gets figured out with Gary Payton II...

BobbieL · Post #1697 » by **BobbieL** » Sun Feb 12, 2023 7:38 pm

Saberestar wrote:
TOO wrote:Why does everyone wanna keep Ish? He's awful, nice guy I'm sure, but he's not good.

He is playing good basketball lately.

Wainright's last five games (4W-1L):

9.4 points
3.4 boards
3.4 assists
1.4 steals
0.8 blocks

Shooting 33.3% from three (9/27) in 23 minutes per game.

He is playing a good amount of minutes and has been particularly good on defense.

Seems pretty similar to Johnson to me. I think the suns sign Ish

Ghost of Kleine · Post #1698 » by **Ghost of Kleine** » Sun Feb 12, 2023 7:41 pm

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phx#7 · Post #1699 » by **phx#7** » Sun Feb 12, 2023 7:43 pm

BobbieL wrote:
Saberestar wrote:
TOO wrote:Why does everyone wanna keep Ish? He's awful, nice guy I'm sure, but he's not good.

He is playing good basketball lately.

Wainright's last five games (4W-1L):

9.4 points
3.4 boards
3.4 assists
1.4 steals
0.8 blocks

Shooting 33.3% from three (9/27) in 23 minutes per game.

He is playing a good amount of minutes and has been particularly good on defense.

Seems pretty similar to Johnson to me. I think the suns sign Ish

Can sign Johnson and if Ish out plays him or Bazley then still convert Ish and waive the odd man out.

Saberestar · Post #1700 » by **Saberestar** » Sun Feb 12, 2023 7:57 pm

BobbieL wrote:
Saberestar wrote:
TOO wrote:Why does everyone wanna keep Ish? He's awful, nice guy I'm sure, but he's not good.

He is playing good basketball lately.

Wainright's last five games (4W-1L):

9.4 points
3.4 boards
3.4 assists
1.4 steals
0.8 blocks

Shooting 33.3% from three (9/27) in 23 minutes per game.

He is playing a good amount of minutes and has been particularly good on defense.

Seems pretty similar to Johnson to me. I think the suns sign Ish

Yeah, it wouldn't makes sense to waive Wainright just to sign Stanley Johnson. They are basically the same player.

What do you think our chances are of winning the West and the Championship if we win the West?