2023 Trade Deadline Thread: Conley/VanVleet/Lowry/etc. (Updated thread)

[esqtvd]

All bullsh*t aside I'm starting to think that our power forward situation is actually worse than the point guard situation. Teflon Morris had 0 rebounds last night. That's unacceptable! No rebounding, no defense, no put backs, no intimidation, no steals, no blocked shots.. just jump shots only! Just think how much easier things would be on the team if Mook only added two of these things to the team like rebounding and some defense. Hell Zu's would look a lot better as well. I actually think Moussa or Mann at pf would be an improvement at this point.

I was with you til that last bit lol

anyone who says things can't get any worse has no imagination

[Clemenza]

All bullsh*t aside I'm starting to think that our power forward situation is actually worse than the point guard situation. Teflon Morris had 0 rebounds last night. That's unacceptable! No rebounding, no defense, no put backs, no intimidation, no steals, no blocked shots.. just jump shots only! Just think how much easier things would be on the team if Mook only added two of these things to the team like rebounding and some defense. Hell Zu's would look a lot better as well. I actually think Moussa or Mann at pf would be an improvement at this point.

I was with you til that last bit lol

anyone who says things can't get any worse has no imagination

TMann is an athletic faster PJ Tucker who rebounds, defends, scores, steals, with an occasional blocked shot or two. If he plays PF then you won't have to remind us on how low his assist totals were at the end of the game and how he shouldn't be a starting pg. Or we just call it another wing position where we would have four wings and a center in Zu. Time to get creative

[Clemenza]

Might be too early for a tweet like this but then again its good to see somebody wanting to stir the pot and get fired up. Might have to start up the Boston-Bones Era up a little early. Lets Go!

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[esqtvd]

All bullsh*t aside I'm starting to think that our power forward situation is actually worse than the point guard situation. Teflon Morris had 0 rebounds last night. That's unacceptable! No rebounding, no defense, no put backs, no intimidation, no steals, no blocked shots.. just jump shots only! Just think how much easier things would be on the team if Mook only added two of these things to the team like rebounding and some defense. Hell Zu's would look a lot better as well. I actually think Moussa or Mann at pf would be an improvement at this point.

I was with you til that last bit lol

anyone who says things can't get any worse has no imagination

TMann is an athletic faster PJ Tucker who rebounds, defends, scores, steals, with an occasional blocked shot or two. If he plays PF then you won't have to remind us on how low his assist totals were at the end of the game and how he shouldn't be a starting pg. Or we just call it another wing position where we would have four wings and a center in Zu. Time to get creative

Mann has started 33 games--28 mpg, 11 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.4 apg
over the last 15 games he's a minus-0.9, the only rotation player in the negative

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/traditional?LastNGames=15&TeamID=1610612746&dir=A&sort=PLUS_MINUS


not a disaster but also not a success
yes it is time to get creative and try something else

[Roscoe Sheed]

Might be too early for a tweet like this but then again its good to see somebody wanting to stir the pot and get fired up. Might have to start up the Boston-Bones Era up a little early. Lets Go!

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I'm in favor of anything that gets some life to this team- half the time it looks like they are attending a funeral.

[ejftw]

Reggie to Denver....

[esqtvd]

Reggie to Denver....

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[KL2]

That hurts but good for Reggie. They’ll use him correctly.

[nickhx2]

reggie gonna end us

[The High Cyde]

reggie gonna end us

Or he’ll be putting us out of our misery depending on how you look at it haha

[esqtvd]

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[nickhx2]

great article by lucas hann on 213hoops about bones hyland

https://213hoops.com/a-note-on-bones-hylands-lineup-data/

makes me feel a lot better about how he might actually fit with this team, since the worst, small-ish defender he'd be paired with might be eric gordon, and if he comes in for any second unit stints our players there i would think complement him more than the nuggets' second unit.

[Captain Ballmer]

Might be too early for a tweet like this but then again its good to see somebody wanting to stir the pot and get fired up. Might have to start up the Boston-Bones Era up a little early. Lets Go!

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I'm in favor of anything that gets some life to this team- half the time it looks like they are attending a funeral.

Yeap. It's time to relief PG13 out of his misery and put him in a best suitable position(PF) at this point of his career. Send softie Marcus back to bench.

Bones-Mann-Kawhi-PG13-Zubac
Eric-Norman-Marcus or BBJ-Batum-Plumlee from bench.

Defensively we will be mediocre at best, but pace, transitions easy points sould just explode. We need to get some easy wins.

[esqtvd]

great article by lucas hann on 213hoops about bones hyland

https://213hoops.com/a-note-on-bones-hylands-lineup-data/

makes me feel a lot better about how he might actually fit with this team, since the worst, small-ish defender he'd be paired with might be eric gordon, and if he comes in for any second unit stints our players there i would think complement him more than the nuggets' second unit.

not so good about Eric Gordon

https://213hoops.com/eric-gordon-fit-on-the-clippers-and-scouting-report/

bad D
can't play the point
worst rebounder in the league

[The High Cyde]

great article by lucas hann on 213hoops about bones hyland

https://213hoops.com/a-note-on-bones-hylands-lineup-data/

makes me feel a lot better about how he might actually fit with this team, since the worst, small-ish defender he'd be paired with might be eric gordon, and if he comes in for any second unit stints our players there i would think complement him more than the nuggets' second unit.

not so good about Eric Gordon

https://213hoops.com/eric-gordon-fit-on-the-clippers-and-scouting-report/

bad D
can't play the point
worst rebounder in the league

Eh, I’ll give Gordon the benefit of the doubt as he was playing on the Rockets last few years, his effort and passion clearly wasn’t there anymore. Hopefully being on this team lifts his spirits and his level of play.

[esqtvd]

great article by lucas hann on 213hoops about bones hyland

https://213hoops.com/a-note-on-bones-hylands-lineup-data/

makes me feel a lot better about how he might actually fit with this team, since the worst, small-ish defender he'd be paired with might be eric gordon, and if he comes in for any second unit stints our players there i would think complement him more than the nuggets' second unit.

not so good about Eric Gordon

https://213hoops.com/eric-gordon-fit-on-the-clippers-and-scouting-report/

bad D
can't play the point
worst rebounder in the league

Eh, I’ll give Gordon the benefit of the doubt as he was playing on the Rockets last few years, his effort and passion clearly wasn’t there anymore. Hopefully being on this team lifts his spirits and his level of play.

Pray. That goes for Hyland too. And Mann. None of them is killin' it out there. At least Hyland is only 22.

[Ballings7]

great article by lucas hann on 213hoops about bones hyland

https://213hoops.com/a-note-on-bones-hylands-lineup-data/

makes me feel a lot better about how he might actually fit with this team, since the worst, small-ish defender he'd be paired with might be eric gordon, and if he comes in for any second unit stints our players there i would think complement him more than the nuggets' second unit.

not so good about Eric Gordon

https://213hoops.com/eric-gordon-fit-on-the-clippers-and-scouting-report/

bad D
can't play the point
worst rebounder in the league

Eh, I’ll give Gordon the benefit of the doubt as he was playing on the Rockets last few years, his effort and passion clearly wasn’t there anymore. Hopefully being on this team lifts his spirits and his level of play.

Agreed.

I think this team is going to be more consistent, have more energy, and will have a different dynamic due to all three guys. I'll miss Kennard and Reggie, they were great role-players when they were at their best (and are still capable of that); but it was time for an upgrade somewhere.

Morris' defencies I am worried about though. I value his scoring ability, but he is less impactful overall than before.

Looking forward to see Bones a lot.. hopefully he can balance himself routinely.

If the Clips bring in Russ' - honestly after thinking about it some .. I think it can really work as long as Russ has a tamed role and picks his spots fairly well to go beyond it; but it is a decent risk.. so not really confident, would just have to see. Sounds like he'll go to Chicago, overall, though.

[madmaxmedia]

Bones played 19 MPG for Denver last season (48-34) as a rookie and this season until recently falling out of the rotation. For all his faults, he's still head and shoulders above a prospect level player like BBJ. The big question is going to be his defense, but he'll at least get a chance to put some pep into our offense off the bench. Unlike Luke he's a very willing shooter, and hits 3's at a good enough rate to justify the volume. It will take a year or 2 to see what his upside is as an NBA point guard.

Not sure about this. BBJ hasn't gotten enough minutes with the main team to make this type of judgement imo. Both are known for scoring and not much defense so far in their careers. Denver didn't have a log jam at shooting guard and small forward for Bones to get DNP's every night like the Clipps do for Boston. I could be wrong of course but at the end of the day I'm just hoping one of these guys can turn into something special. The front office was definitely high on Bones pre draft a couple of years ago though. Tonight might be another night for Boston to show us something but we'll see

BBJ still has unrealized potential, but there is a clear difference in the trajectory of their college and NBA careers so far (granted Bones is a year older.) Brandon’s one year in college was a mess, and he wasn’t able to crack our rotation at all during our ‘lost year’ last season. He also hasn’t shot over 40% FG or 35% 3PT in college or NBA.

Bones has been an NBA player from the get go playing 19 MPG on a playoff team as a rookie, largely because he can fill it up from 3. He has a clear standout skill, though he does have significant weaknesses especially if he’s going to be an NBA point guard. He shoots 3’s at a significantly higher rate per 36 than Luke ever did for us, can do it off the dribble and from distance, with good efficiency.

I don’t think our viewpoints differ that much though. Bones has got a lot to learn, as does BBJ. BBJ should have stayed in college at least one more year, but then we wouldn’t have drafted in the mid 2nd round.

There is one thing I forgot to add comparing the two. While I think Bones has more natural ability, BBJ seems to have a better work ethic and attitude in terms of really developing his game. If we could combine the best aspects of each...then he would have been a lottery pick out of our reach.

[nickhx2]

yeah my gut reaction was also "well how can we determine that he's that much better?" but in reality bones was a contributor for a playoff team and boston has had some big flashes but otherwise has not shown his impact even when given the chances.

i mean i think it's important to not get too far ahead of ourselves on our young guys, who absolutely do have some potential, but they have many, many bridges to cross before even getting to a place where they can be occasionally impactful role players, let alone rotation guys of any sort. hyland, conversely, has done that even though he's regressed this year.

i will say, though, in maybe 3 years time when kawhi and paul george are on the clear downslopes of their careers and potentially taking secondary roles or even moved (and honestly, let's please move paul george before then? i'm so over him, but that's another topic) our young guys are gonna get all the burn they can handle. so once this kawhi/pg contending phase is over, it'll likely be the bones/boston show and we're gonna likely go back to being kinda bad but kinda exciting (just like old times!) - guess i'm just saying we'll see what happens with them, for better or for worse!

[esqtvd]

yeah my gut reaction was also "well how can we determine that he's that much better?" but in reality bones was a contributor for a playoff team and boston has had some big flashes but otherwise has not shown his impact even when given the chances.

i mean i think it's important to not get too far ahead of ourselves on our young guys, who absolutely do have some potential, but they have many, many bridges to cross before even getting to a place where they can be occasionally impactful role players, let alone rotation guys of any sort. hyland, conversely, has done that even though he's regressed this year.

i will say, though, in maybe 3 years time when kawhi and paul george are on the clear downslopes of their careers and potentially taking secondary roles or even moved (and honestly, let's please move paul george before then? i'm so over him, but that's another topic) our young guys are gonna get all the burn they can handle. so once this kawhi/pg contending phase is over, it'll likely be the bones/boston show and we're gonna likely go back to being kinda bad but kinda exciting (just like old times!) - guess i'm just saying we'll see what happens with them, for better or for worse!

in three years Bones will be 25 and Mann will be pushing 30