Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5

Kinger95 · Post #221 » by **Kinger95** » Sun Feb 12, 2023 8:13 pm

Anyone else actually notice how horrible Scottie is defending on the perimeter? Considering the scouting report on him was that he was great defensively and really struggled to score and shoot they said offensively he was raw. I watch games and multiple times I say to myself I can’t believe how Scottie looks like a baby deer trying to defend other guys on the perimeter. He’s not that bad on switches and he’s disruptive when he’s around the ball because of his length but even contesting at the rim he’s not as good as I’d expect him to be in making shots more difficult. Really young and can obviously improve but some things are easier to improve than others and I really don’t ever see him being a lockdown guy on D like kawhi. Draymond is someone that lots of guys should watch the way he positions himself and doesn’t bite on fakes and knows what the offensive is trying to do and Scottie needs to take less risks and become an anchor on D

anotherhomer · Post #222 » by **anotherhomer** » Sun Feb 12, 2023 8:31 pm

Kinger95 wrote:Anyone else actually notice how horrible Scottie is defending on the perimeter? Considering the scouting report on him was that he was great defensively and really struggled to score and shoot they said offensively he was raw. I watch games and multiple times I say to myself I can’t believe how Scottie looks like a baby deer trying to defend other guys on the perimeter. He’s not that bad on switches and he’s disruptive when he’s around the ball because of his length but even contesting at the rim he’s not as good as I’d expect him to be in making shots more difficult. Really young and can obviously improve but some things are easier to improve than others and I really don’t ever see him being a lockdown guy on D like kawhi. Draymond is someone that lots of guys should watch the way he positions himself and doesn’t bite on fakes and knows what the offensive is trying to do and Scottie needs to take less risks and become an anchor on D

he never had the lateral quicks....his best position is PF honestly

Boogie! · Post #223 » by **Boogie!** » Sun Feb 12, 2023 8:33 pm

anotherhomer wrote:
Kinger95 wrote:Anyone else actually notice how horrible Scottie is defending on the perimeter? Considering the scouting report on him was that he was great defensively and really struggled to score and shoot they said offensively he was raw. I watch games and multiple times I say to myself I can’t believe how Scottie looks like a baby deer trying to defend other guys on the perimeter. He’s not that bad on switches and he’s disruptive when he’s around the ball because of his length but even contesting at the rim he’s not as good as I’d expect him to be in making shots more difficult. Really young and can obviously improve but some things are easier to improve than others and I really don’t ever see him being a lockdown guy on D like kawhi. Draymond is someone that lots of guys should watch the way he positions himself and doesn’t bite on fakes and knows what the offensive is trying to do and Scottie needs to take less risks and become an anchor on D

he never had the lateral quicks....his best position is PF honestly

You've never seen the video of him locking down donovan Mitchell I guess

anotherhomer · Post #224 » by **anotherhomer** » Sun Feb 12, 2023 8:51 pm

Boogie! wrote:
anotherhomer wrote:
Kinger95 wrote:Anyone else actually notice how horrible Scottie is defending on the perimeter? Considering the scouting report on him was that he was great defensively and really struggled to score and shoot they said offensively he was raw. I watch games and multiple times I say to myself I can’t believe how Scottie looks like a baby deer trying to defend other guys on the perimeter. He’s not that bad on switches and he’s disruptive when he’s around the ball because of his length but even contesting at the rim he’s not as good as I’d expect him to be in making shots more difficult. Really young and can obviously improve but some things are easier to improve than others and I really don’t ever see him being a lockdown guy on D like kawhi. Draymond is someone that lots of guys should watch the way he positions himself and doesn’t bite on fakes and knows what the offensive is trying to do and Scottie needs to take less risks and become an anchor on D

he never had the lateral quicks....his best position is PF honestly

You've never seen the video of him locking down donovan Mitchell I guess

it's just not consistent like OG

Tha Cynic · Post #225 » by **Tha Cynic** » Sun Feb 12, 2023 10:42 pm

I feel sorry for Barnes for having to play on this team. He's got a PG who's out to get his own and a coach who's developing him as a 3 and D guy. Also, can't seem to get FVV or Siakam to give him the ball in his spot when he asks for it.

Something big has to happen this off-season to help this team move onto their next era of basketball. If Masai decides to be patient, this team is in trouble.

hype_2004 · Post #226 » by **hype_2004** » Sun Feb 12, 2023 10:47 pm

Tha Cynic wrote:I feel sorry for Barnes for having to play on this team. He's for a PG who's out to get his own and a coach who's developing him as a 3 and D guy. Also, can't seem to get FVV or Siakam to get him the ball in his spot when he asks for it.

Something big has to happen this off-season to help this team move onto their next era of basketball. If Masai decides to be patient, this team is in trouble.

If Masai decides to be patient he need to be fired, I love the guy and what he has done but the past is the past what have you down for me lately? Surround Scottie with shooters and defenders. Keep Trent, OG, Achiuwa and trade everyone else.

TorontoBarneys · Post #227 » by **TorontoBarneys** » Sun Feb 12, 2023 10:54 pm

Tha Cynic wrote:I feel sorry for Barnes for having to play on this team. He's got a PG who's out to get his own and a coach who's developing him as a 3 and D guy. Also, can't seem to get FVV or Siakam to give him the ball in his spot when he asks for it.

Something big has to happen this off-season to help this team move onto their next era of basketball. If Masai decides to be patient, this team is in trouble.

If we keep FVV in the offseason I am pretty sure this place will legitimately need SSRI prescriptions. :lol:

720 · Post #228 » by **720** » Sun Feb 12, 2023 10:57 pm

As long as we don’t prioritize his usage and touches for growth we will never see his full potential. If we keep this up long enough he might make up his mind about leaving when the time comes. I understand if we were the Warriors or something where their young guys are in the backseat to the veteran stars. But to act like this franchise is too good to let a second year player be a focal point of the offensive system is a joke. It really is. Either that or Nurse simply doesn’t know how.

AbC? · Post #229 » by **AbC?** » Sun Feb 12, 2023 11:05 pm

hype_2004 wrote:
Tha Cynic wrote:I feel sorry for Barnes for having to play on this team. He's for a PG who's out to get his own and a coach who's developing him as a 3 and D guy. Also, can't seem to get FVV or Siakam to get him the ball in his spot when he asks for it.

Something big has to happen this off-season to help this team move onto their next era of basketball. If Masai decides to be patient, this team is in trouble.

If Masai decides to be patient he need to be fired, I love the guy and what he has done but the past is the past what have you down for me lately? Surround Scottie with shooters and defenders. Keep Trent, OG, Achiuwa and trade everyone else.

Scottie is not a heliocentric main option type and never will be. He's not wired for it mentally, lacks the skills and has physical limitations (no burst, slow). Trying to force him to become one would be disastrous. Certainly the Raptors sho uld be building for the future, but the goal should be to get 1, even 2 young players better than Barnes if the goal is building a championship team. I get that he's all we got right now in the way of exciting young prospects, but if you remove the Raptors fan bias, no objective fan of the NBA would say he looks like a future championship caliber #1.

Tha Cynic · Post #230 » by **Tha Cynic** » Sun Feb 12, 2023 11:09 pm

AbC? wrote:
hype_2004 wrote:
Tha Cynic wrote:I feel sorry for Barnes for having to play on this team. He's for a PG who's out to get his own and a coach who's developing him as a 3 and D guy. Also, can't seem to get FVV or Siakam to get him the ball in his spot when he asks for it.

Something big has to happen this off-season to help this team move onto their next era of basketball. If Masai decides to be patient, this team is in trouble.

If Masai decides to be patient he need to be fired, I love the guy and what he has done but the past is the past what have you down for me lately? Surround Scottie with shooters and defenders. Keep Trent, OG, Achiuwa and trade everyone else.

Scottie is not a heliocentric main option type and never will be. He's not wired for it mentally, lacks the skills and has physical limitations (no burst, slow). Trying to force him to become one would be disastrous. Certainly the Raptors sho uld be building for the future, but the goal should be to get 1, even 2 young players better than Barnes if the goal is building a championship team. I get that he's all we got right now in the way of exciting young prospects, but if you remove the Raptors fan bias, no objective fan of the NBA would say he looks like a future championship caliber #1.

Disagree with you completely. He's waiting for the chance to run this team. You can see how much he sits back to not disrupt the flow. Changes need to be made to put the ball in his hands to make decisions every time down the court. He's raw, but he can pass and can get to his spots to score. He needs the reps now if this team wants to win next season. He's also the type of player who does better with the ball in his hands more and he's easily the best decision-maker on the team. There's zero reason not give him the ball more and run the offense through him..

And yes, he has aspects of his game he needs to improve like his handles and shooting, but that shouldn't stop this team from putting the ball in his hands more as he still finds a way to get things done.

Of course it would be great to have two better than Barnes and if they ever do get those this will be a superteam in a couple of years. I'm not sure what #1 is. You don't need to be the best scorer on the team to be the best on the team. Barnes will need to play with a scorer but he will be a great scorer himself. Even James had to play with scorers beside him in every championship year to win.

will · Post #231 » by **will** » Sun Feb 12, 2023 11:13 pm

I actually pity what Scottish has to deal with.

Never say that about any pro athlete.

hype_2004 · Post #232 » by **hype_2004** » Sun Feb 12, 2023 11:16 pm

AbC? wrote:
hype_2004 wrote:
Tha Cynic wrote:I feel sorry for Barnes for having to play on this team. He's for a PG who's out to get his own and a coach who's developing him as a 3 and D guy. Also, can't seem to get FVV or Siakam to get him the ball in his spot when he asks for it.

Something big has to happen this off-season to help this team move onto their next era of basketball. If Masai decides to be patient, this team is in trouble.

If Masai decides to be patient he need to be fired, I love the guy and what he has done but the past is the past what have you down for me lately? Surround Scottie with shooters and defenders. Keep Trent, OG, Achiuwa and trade everyone else.

Scottie is not a heliocentric main option type and never will be. He's not wired for it mentally, lacks the skills and has physical limitations (no burst, slow). Trying to force him to become one would be disastrous. Certainly the Raptors sho uld be building for the future, but the goal should be to get 1, even 2 young players better than Barnes if the goal is building a championship team. I get that he's all we got right now in the way of exciting young prospects, but if you remove the Raptors fan bias, no objective fan of the NBA would say he looks like a future championship caliber #1.

Look we have start somewhere, get the rebuild going and go from there. In no way I say Scottie is the only option, he's one of the main piece of a puzzle for that eventual rebuild. We can't go on with Fred and Pascal dominating the ball, this team needs change in the off season regardless of what happens short of winning a championship.

Childs · Post #233 » by **Childs** » Sun Feb 12, 2023 11:19 pm

20 points on 6 shots. Give yourself a pat on the head. But he shouldn't be taking only 6 shots.

Childs · Post #234 » by **Childs** » Sun Feb 12, 2023 11:20 pm

hype_2004 wrote:
AbC? wrote:
hype_2004 wrote:
If Masai decides to be patient he need to be fired, I love the guy and what he has done but the past is the past what have you down for me lately? Surround Scottie with shooters and defenders. Keep Trent, OG, Achiuwa and trade everyone else.

Scottie is not a heliocentric main option type and never will be. He's not wired for it mentally, lacks the skills and has physical limitations (no burst, slow). Trying to force him to become one would be disastrous. Certainly the Raptors sho uld be building for the future, but the goal should be to get 1, even 2 young players better than Barnes if the goal is building a championship team. I get that he's all we got right now in the way of exciting young prospects, but if you remove the Raptors fan bias, no objective fan of the NBA would say he looks like a future championship caliber #1.

Look we have start somewhere, get the rebuild going and go from there. In no way I say Scottie is the only option, he's one of the main piece of a puzzle for that eventual rebuild. We can't go on with Fred and Pascal dominating the ball, this team needs change in the off season regardless of what happens short of winning a championship.

I think the front office made it clear they are not interested in a rebuild.

Tha Cynic · Post #235 » by **Tha Cynic** » Sun Feb 12, 2023 11:25 pm

I'm pretty sure he was waved off by Siakam and FVV more this game than the amount of shots he took.

Childs · Post #236 » by **Childs** » Mon Feb 13, 2023 3:36 am

Watch on YouTube

JN · Post #237 » by JN » Mon Feb 13, 2023 4:19 am

I don't want him to be the PG per se.

When he is assigned the point (say the games FVV was hurt), he tends to pound at the top a little more than normal, and tries to create from the top which due to his dribbling and penetration restricts lanes and his great passing skills. The games he was the point are not those he has had the most assists.

I just want him to get the ball much more in varied spots within the key. Or get him the ball when he is moving/rolling where he has a knack more than others to create. That is where he can do damage and take advantage of his +++ creation and passing skills more easily.

So there would be another PG on the floor, but they would play off the ball much more than the current PG in FVV. Frustrating thing, is that it probably could work between the two because FVV despite his struggles is a good shooter. But for whatever reasons its not working.

anotherhomer · Post #238 » by **anotherhomer** » Mon Feb 13, 2023 5:28 am

will wrote:I actually pity what Scottish has to deal with.

Never say that about any pro athlete.

i honestly, hope this jakob poetl acquistion blows up, so Raps can draft a future PG, that allows team to move on from FVV.

Raps in 4 · Post #239 » by **Raps in 4** » Mon Feb 13, 2023 5:49 am

Kinger95 wrote:Anyone else actually notice how horrible Scottie is defending on the perimeter? Considering the scouting report on him was that he was great defensively and really struggled to score and shoot they said offensively he was raw. I watch games and multiple times I say to myself I can’t believe how Scottie looks like a baby deer trying to defend other guys on the perimeter. He’s not that bad on switches and he’s disruptive when he’s around the ball because of his length but even contesting at the rim he’s not as good as I’d expect him to be in making shots more difficult. Really young and can obviously improve but some things are easier to improve than others and I really don’t ever see him being a lockdown guy on D like kawhi. Draymond is someone that lots of guys should watch the way he positions himself and doesn’t bite on fakes and knows what the offensive is trying to do and Scottie needs to take less risks and become an anchor on D

He's always sucked at defending the perimeter. He's extremely slow laterally. The only reason he looked good in college is because he was defending unathletic kids.

Defensively, Scottie is best suited for defending forwards/bigs. He can't handle guards. We need to forget about him guarding 1-5, which is fine.

HumbleRen · Post #240 » by **HumbleRen** » Mon Feb 13, 2023 1:25 pm

Raps in 4 wrote:
Kinger95 wrote:Anyone else actually notice how horrible Scottie is defending on the perimeter? Considering the scouting report on him was that he was great defensively and really struggled to score and shoot they said offensively he was raw. I watch games and multiple times I say to myself I can’t believe how Scottie looks like a baby deer trying to defend other guys on the perimeter. He’s not that bad on switches and he’s disruptive when he’s around the ball because of his length but even contesting at the rim he’s not as good as I’d expect him to be in making shots more difficult. Really young and can obviously improve but some things are easier to improve than others and I really don’t ever see him being a lockdown guy on D like kawhi. Draymond is someone that lots of guys should watch the way he positions himself and doesn’t bite on fakes and knows what the offensive is trying to do and Scottie needs to take less risks and become an anchor on D

He's always sucked at defending the perimeter. He's extremely slow laterally. The only reason he looked good in college is because he was defending unathletic kids.

Defensively, Scottie is best suited for defending forwards/bigs. He can't handle guards. We need to forget about him guarding 1-5, which is fine.

It's sad that he's our current best POA defender with OG out.

Shows how far our defence has fallen off compared to last year. Our backcourt has severely fallen off in terms of point of attack defence.