2022-2023 Regular Season Game 57: Miami Heat (31-25) at Orlando Magic (23-33) - 7pm

[Mc-o]

I hate to say it but I think fultz needs to be upgraded . His lack of a shot is just too bad . He also makes a lot of silly turnovers . He is good in the paint and mid range but now of days that’s not enough , I’d rather see how it goes with Cole and Suggs starting .

The turnovers really frustrate me. He's genuinely bad in this category. If he's not helping in efg% and tov% then he's likely a net-negative on offense and a below average starting point guard on offense. I do think he's getting close to turning a corner here though, his playmaking has been popping these last few games. We'll see.

He isn’t terrible but in todays nba you need a shooter or an elite finisher and playmaker . He is good just not elite at any one thing and unfortunately the nba is too talented to not have a shot as a guard

[JoshuaPotter]

im just going to say it. Paulo has sucked lately. fultz and Suggs are a great tandem if Suggs can get serious

Keep in mind. Franz has been Mr consistent and iirc hasn't missed any games. Paolo is definitely hitting a rookie wall and trying different things as a result.

I'm not upset, its ok to say he sucks when his stats are under performing. I think he will enjoy the all-star break and hopefully its enough of a break for him and Franz to bounce back.

[JF5]

im just going to say it. Paulo has sucked lately. fultz and Suggs are a great tandem if Suggs can get serious

Keep in mind. Franz has been Mr consistent and iirc hasn't missed any games. Paolo is definitely hitting a rookie wall and trying different things as a result.

I'm not upset, its ok to say he sucks when his stats are under performing. I think he will enjoy the all-star break and hopefully its enough of a break for him and Franz to bounce back.

They both are hitting the wall and that's okay.

I think what upsets me are the hot takes when the team has lost recently and Fultz/Mosley/Suggs etc all get thrown under the bus.

Your 2 allstar caliber players are not playing well the last few weeks? Let's blame everyone else. Especially when you're a young team like the Magic. There is no margin of error with both those guys playing below standard and the team being able to win games. It's common sense.

When those guys are playing well they can beat anyone in the league and can go on win streaks. I guess I'm just tired generally of the Fultz slander when they're clearly a better team with him on the court and healthy. Reminds me of the Jameer Nelson slander years ago during the contending years.

[eyriq]

im just going to say it. Paulo has sucked lately. fultz and Suggs are a great tandem if Suggs can get serious

Keep in mind. Franz has been Mr consistent and iirc hasn't missed any games. Paolo is definitely hitting a rookie wall and trying different things as a result.

I'm not upset, its ok to say he sucks when his stats are under performing. I think he will enjoy the all-star break and hopefully its enough of a break for him and Franz to bounce back.

They both are hitting the wall and that's okay.

I think what upsets me are the hot takes when the team has lost recently and Fultz/Mosley/Suggs etc all get thrown under the bus.

Your 2 allstar caliber players are not playing well the last few weeks? Let's blame everyone else. Especially when you're a young team like the Magic. There is no margin of error with both those guys playing below standard and the team being able to win games. It's common sense.

When those guys are playing well they can beat anyone in the league and can go on win streaks. I guess I'm just tired generally of the Fultz slander when they're clearly a better team with him on the court and healthy. Reminds me of the Jameer Nelson slander years ago during the contending years.

It looks like they are better with Fultz on the court, for sure. I wish plus minus and unit analysis would back this up, but it doesn't. The data still hasn't caught up to the eye ball test and I don't know why. My suspicion is that the eye ball test is deceiving us. The alternative is that rotations are suboptimal and that Fultz is getting hurt by synergy issues.

[jezzerinho]

im just going to say it. Paulo has sucked lately. fultz and Suggs are a great tandem if Suggs can get serious

Keep in mind. Franz has been Mr consistent and iirc hasn't missed any games. Paolo is definitely hitting a rookie wall and trying different things as a result.

I'm not upset, its ok to say he sucks when his stats are under performing. I think he will enjoy the all-star break and hopefully its enough of a break for him and Franz to bounce back.

Franz is exhausted. He's been playing practically non stop since he was drafted and that going eventually catches up with you. Imo, they need to start tapering down his minutes and ramping up JI, Houstan and Bol's for a while.

[Bergmaniac]

It looks like they are better with Fultz on the court, for sure. I wish plus minus and unit analysis would back this up, but it doesn't. The data still hasn't caught up to the eye ball test and I don't know why. My suspicion is that the eye ball test is deceiving us. The alternative is that rotations are suboptimal and that Fultz is getting hurt by synergy issues.

To me it doesn't, but I admit I am biased in this case.

But also Fultz playing almost all of his minutes with Paolo is definitely suboptimal, Fultz is better when we play fast, while Paolo prefer a slower pace. And Fultz's lack of shooting hurts Paolo's driving game (and vice versa to a lesser degree).

[neuraldarwinism]

suggs needs to be starting coming out of the all star break

[zaymon]

It looks like they are better with Fultz on the court, for sure. I wish plus minus and unit analysis would back this up, but it doesn't. The data still hasn't caught up to the eye ball test and I don't know why. My suspicion is that the eye ball test is deceiving us. The alternative is that rotations are suboptimal and that Fultz is getting hurt by synergy issues.

To me it doesn't, but I admit I am biased in this case.

But also Fultz playing almost all of his minutes with Paolo is definitely suboptimal, Fultz is better when we play fast, while Paolo prefer a slower pace. And Fultz's lack of shooting hurts Paolo's driving game (and vice versa to a lesser degree).

It should be Banchero playing with second unit and Franz playing longer with Fultz.

[KillMonger]

still no 2 minute report? when lebron got fouled and started dancing the report came out the same night

[eyriq]

Mad props to Paolo for the rebounding. He's making drastic strides in this category and you love to see it.

[JoshuaPotter]

As much as I really really wanted to beat the Heat. I am not too worried about it. There are some good things to take away, you just hate to see us loose a game like that. It's a good growing pains game though.

No, I am not calling it a moral victory. We are on the growth rollercoaster. I am just choosing to have fun vs jumping off.

[Knightro]

still no 2 minute report? when lebron got fouled and started dancing the report came out the same night

https://official.nba.com/l2m/L2MReport.html?gameId=0022200848

The NBA ruled there were four incorrect calls in the final two minutes and OT.

But not the ones you might think.

1. Paolo should have been called for a foul on Butler's basket with 1:12 to go.
2. Paolo should have been called for a travel on his basket with 51.1 to go, wiping away his basket
3. After the travel, Adebayo should have been called for a foul before the shot
3. After the Adebayo foul, Banchero should have been called for an offensive foul for hooking.

The refs deemed the no call on the loose ball contact on Carter on the lost rebound as correct. They also deemed both of Fultz's 4th quarter turnovers as correct.

[fendilim]

Hey idiot, when they put in the NBA rule book "no blood no foul" then maybe you have a point....pathetic.

Thank you for the kind words.

God bless your soul.

And get a new prescription you need it

https://official.nba.com/l2m/L2MReport.html?gameId=0022200848

CNC

Comment:As Carter Jr. (ORL) gathers the rebound, Butler (MIA) reaches in and makes contact with the ball and any arm contact is marginal. Separately, Adebayo (MIA) reaches in and makes incidental contact with Carter Jr.'s hand on the ball. Once the ball is loose, marginal arm contact occurs when Adebayo follows through.

[KillMonger]

still no 2 minute report? when lebron got fouled and started dancing the report came out the same night

https://official.nba.com/l2m/L2MReport.html?gameId=0022200848

The NBA ruled there were four incorrect calls in the final two minutes and OT.

But not the ones you might think.

1. Paolo should have been called for a foul on Butler's basket with 1:12 to go.
2. Paolo should have been called for a travel on his basket with 51.1 to go, wiping away his basket
3. After the travel, Adebayo should have been called for a foul before the shot
3. After the Adebayo foul, Banchero should have been called for an offensive foul for hooking.

The refs deemed the no call on the loose ball contact on Carter on the lost rebound as correct. They also deemed both of Fultz's 4th quarter turnovers as correct.

ahh....ok so justifying bad calls

[VFX]

still no 2 minute report? when lebron got fouled and started dancing the report came out the same night

https://official.nba.com/l2m/L2MReport.html?gameId=0022200848

The NBA ruled there were four incorrect calls in the final two minutes and OT.

But not the ones you might think.

1. Paolo should have been called for a foul on Butler's basket with 1:12 to go.
2. Paolo should have been called for a travel on his basket with 51.1 to go, wiping away his basket
3. After the travel, Adebayo should have been called for a foul before the shot
3. After the Adebayo foul, Banchero should have been called for an offensive foul for hooking.

The refs deemed the no call on the loose ball contact on Carter on the lost rebound as correct. They also deemed both of Fultz's 4th quarter turnovers as correct.

None of that matters if they don’t call the phantom foul on Jalen where he didn’t touch the guy and the shooting foul on Paolo’s drive to the basket.