Welcome back GP2!!

[michaelm]

Why did GP2’s agent say he didn’t receive Toradol injections in order to play?
This doesn’t affect his failing a physical and deciding to keep him or send him back of course, but it doesn’t look good.

It was reported that GP2 is the one who told the Dubs about the Toradol injections. So to have his agent come out and say otherwise, the agent is essentially saying 'my client (GP2) is a liar'. If that is the case, seems like GP2 needs to fire his agent yesterday.

Can you show me that?

Also lets be clear - it an agent, and he never said that GP2 didn't get toradol. He said it wasn't given pre-game to get him through a game, which is something that would be done to intentionally manipulate, or (troubling enough) to get a player through a very important game, like a playoff game. I'm sure there are agents who are good people out there, but as a rule I see agents as people who were too slimy to be lawyers

Fun note too: In his quote, the agent said "GP2 has never taken toradol to be available for games.. for the Blazers." Thought that was interesting because of what it implies, since GSW knew GP2 had a core muscle issue to end last season and he played in the final 5 games of the Finals. It points to the W's using toradol on him for the same injury. But to also be fair to the Warriors, thats an accepted practice in the NBA. Toradol is basically concentrated ibuprofen/Aleve and it can really do wonders in terms of pain management for the short-term, mostly deployed in playoffs or super important games

Posting on the other thread I was going to suggest someone should ask you as you would be familiar with the use of the drug in a sporting context which you obviously are.

What you say was pretty much my less informed surmise, that they may have given the drug to him in an injectable form short term when he first returned. I presume the complications of the drug are worse in the more concentrated injectable form which is why it is only given for a few days.

As someone else, iirc Chris Porter's Hair, said it is irrelevant if he had the problem at GSW, and the same would apply to whether he was given Toradol at GSW, he wasn't traded to Portland, they signed him as a Free agent and may even have outbid GSW, so the onus was on them now they were trading him.

[CDM_Stats]

It was reported that GP2 is the one who told the Dubs about the Toradol injections. So to have his agent come out and say otherwise, the agent is essentially saying 'my client (GP2) is a liar'. If that is the case, seems like GP2 needs to fire his agent yesterday.

Can you show me that?

Also lets be clear - it an agent, and he never said that GP2 didn't get toradol. He said it wasn't given pre-game to get him through a game, which is something that would be done to intentionally manipulate, or (troubling enough) to get a player through a very important game, like a playoff game. I'm sure there are agents who are good people out there, but as a rule I see agents as people who were too slimy to be lawyers

Fun note too: In his quote, the agent said "GP2 has never taken toradol to be available for games.. for the Blazers." Thought that was interesting because of what it implies, since GSW knew GP2 had a core muscle issue to end last season and he played in the final 5 games of the Finals. It points to the W's using toradol on him for the same injury. But to also be fair to the Warriors, thats an accepted practice in the NBA. Toradol is basically concentrated ibuprofen/Aleve and it can really do wonders in terms of pain management for the short-term, mostly deployed in playoffs or super important games

Posting on the other thread I was going to suggest someone should ask you as you would be familiar with the use of the drug in a sporting context which you obviously are.

What you say was pretty much my less informed surmise, that they may have given the drug to him in an injectable form short term when he first returned. I presume the complications of the drug are worse in the more concentrated injectable form which is why it is only given for a few days.

As someone else, iirc Chris Porter's Hair, said it is irrelevant if he had the problem at GSW, and the same would apply to whether he was given Toradol at GSW, he wasn't traded to Portland, they signed him as a Free agent and may even have outbid GSW, so the onus was on them now they were trading him.

Correct on all - and the only reason I implied that the agent may have been referencing toradol in GSW is that they had experience with it, thus know what its range of uses could be. But maybe the agent was emphasizing the oral aspect vs the injection... hard to say at this point. Either way its all moot, and the W's board has learned more about a pretty basic ass drug than they ever probably cared to

I never have seen toradol be given long term so unless the Blazers training staff is reckless as ****, I imagine they gave him a cycle around early January. Now, if they gave him a cycle in late January/early Feb as a means to keep him on the court as the deadline came about.. thats a whole other thing and would be a much more justifiable claim. Just to remind everyone though: the 76ers werent fined for the Jrue thing until 18 months after it happened and by then Jrue was entirely healthy. For him anyways. When this story does pop up again, GP2 might not even be on the team anymore

[michaelm]

Can you show me that?

Also lets be clear - it an agent, and he never said that GP2 didn't get toradol. He said it wasn't given pre-game to get him through a game, which is something that would be done to intentionally manipulate, or (troubling enough) to get a player through a very important game, like a playoff game. I'm sure there are agents who are good people out there, but as a rule I see agents as people who were too slimy to be lawyers

Fun note too: In his quote, the agent said "GP2 has never taken toradol to be available for games.. for the Blazers." Thought that was interesting because of what it implies, since GSW knew GP2 had a core muscle issue to end last season and he played in the final 5 games of the Finals. It points to the W's using toradol on him for the same injury. But to also be fair to the Warriors, thats an accepted practice in the NBA. Toradol is basically concentrated ibuprofen/Aleve and it can really do wonders in terms of pain management for the short-term, mostly deployed in playoffs or super important games

Posting on the other thread I was going to suggest someone should ask you as you would be familiar with the use of the drug in a sporting context which you obviously are.

What you say was pretty much my less informed surmise, that they may have given the drug to him in an injectable form short term when he first returned. I presume the complications of the drug are worse in the more concentrated injectable form which is why it is only given for a few days.

As someone else, iirc Chris Porter's Hair, said it is irrelevant if he had the problem at GSW, and the same would apply to whether he was given Toradol at GSW, he wasn't traded to Portland, they signed him as a Free agent and may even have outbid GSW, so the onus was on them now they were trading him.

Correct on all - and the only reason I implied that the agent may have been referencing toradol in GSW is that they had experience with it, thus know what its range of uses could be. But maybe the agent was emphasizing the oral aspect vs the injection... hard to say at this point. Either way its all moot, and the W's board has learned more about a pretty basic ass drug than they ever probably cared to

I never have seen toradol be given long term so unless the Blazers training staff is reckless as ****, I imagine they gave him a cycle around early January. Now, if they gave him a cycle in late January/early Feb as a means to keep him on the court as the deadline came about.. thats a whole other thing and would be a much more justifiable claim. Just to remind everyone though: the 76ers werent fined for the Jrue thing until 18 months after it happened and by then Jrue was entirely healthy. For him anyways. When this story does pop up again, GP2 might not even be on the team anymore

My opinion of sports agents is not much different than yours, and the guy may be well be weaseling one way or another. I gather the drug is no longer on the market as Toradol in the USA as well, although generic forms of the drug continue to be available.

[thunderdunk]

Um, welcome back, GP2... Here's hoping it all goes well.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

Can Donte and Payton play at the same time? I suppose you could play Poole or Klay with them maybe with Wiggins sliding to power forward for offense.

Or Curry with Donte and Payton becoming the small forward on defense.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

Can you show me that?

Also lets be clear - it an agent, and he never said that GP2 didn't get toradol. He said it wasn't given pre-game to get him through a game, which is something that would be done to intentionally manipulate, or (troubling enough) to get a player through a very important game, like a playoff game. I'm sure there are agents who are good people out there, but as a rule I see agents as people who were too slimy to be lawyers

Fun note too: In his quote, the agent said "GP2 has never taken toradol to be available for games.. for the Blazers." Thought that was interesting because of what it implies, since GSW knew GP2 had a core muscle issue to end last season and he played in the final 5 games of the Finals. It points to the W's using toradol on him for the same injury. But to also be fair to the Warriors, thats an accepted practice in the NBA. Toradol is basically concentrated ibuprofen/Aleve and it can really do wonders in terms of pain management for the short-term, mostly deployed in playoffs or super important games

Posting on the other thread I was going to suggest someone should ask you as you would be familiar with the use of the drug in a sporting context which you obviously are.

What you say was pretty much my less informed surmise, that they may have given the drug to him in an injectable form short term when he first returned. I presume the complications of the drug are worse in the more concentrated injectable form which is why it is only given for a few days.

As someone else, iirc Chris Porter's Hair, said it is irrelevant if he had the problem at GSW, and the same would apply to whether he was given Toradol at GSW, he wasn't traded to Portland, they signed him as a Free agent and may even have outbid GSW, so the onus was on them now they were trading him.

Correct on all - and the only reason I implied that the agent may have been referencing toradol in GSW is that they had experience with it, thus know what its range of uses could be. But maybe the agent was emphasizing the oral aspect vs the injection... hard to say at this point. Either way its all moot, and the W's board has learned more about a pretty basic ass drug than they ever probably cared to

I never have seen toradol be given long term so unless the Blazers training staff is reckless as ****, I imagine they gave him a cycle around early January. Now, if they gave him a cycle in late January/early Feb as a means to keep him on the court as the deadline came about.. thats a whole other thing and would be a much more justifiable claim. Just to remind everyone though: the 76ers werent fined for the Jrue thing until 18 months after it happened and by then Jrue was entirely healthy. For him anyways. When this story does pop up again, GP2 might not even be on the team anymore

Toradol long term has been considered a bad practice medically but was a common practice in the NBA for decades for getting the most out of your injured players when you don’t care about the health of those players 2 years down the line.

[michaelm]

Posting on the other thread I was going to suggest someone should ask you as you would be familiar with the use of the drug in a sporting context which you obviously are.

What you say was pretty much my less informed surmise, that they may have given the drug to him in an injectable form short term when he first returned. I presume the complications of the drug are worse in the more concentrated injectable form which is why it is only given for a few days.

As someone else, iirc Chris Porter's Hair, said it is irrelevant if he had the problem at GSW, and the same would apply to whether he was given Toradol at GSW, he wasn't traded to Portland, they signed him as a Free agent and may even have outbid GSW, so the onus was on them now they were trading him.

Correct on all - and the only reason I implied that the agent may have been referencing toradol in GSW is that they had experience with it, thus know what its range of uses could be. But maybe the agent was emphasizing the oral aspect vs the injection... hard to say at this point. Either way its all moot, and the W's board has learned more about a pretty basic ass drug than they ever probably cared to

I never have seen toradol be given long term so unless the Blazers training staff is reckless as ****, I imagine they gave him a cycle around early January. Now, if they gave him a cycle in late January/early Feb as a means to keep him on the court as the deadline came about.. thats a whole other thing and would be a much more justifiable claim. Just to remind everyone though: the 76ers werent fined for the Jrue thing until 18 months after it happened and by then Jrue was entirely healthy. For him anyways. When this story does pop up again, GP2 might not even be on the team anymore

Toradol long term has been considered a bad practice medically but was a common practice in the NBA for decades for getting the most out of your injured players when you don’t care about the health of those players 2 years down the line.

Thanks, you along with FNQ/CDM obviously have familiarity with how the drug has been used in the sports injury context which I certainly don’t. He has been playing and they don't appear to be tanking though.

I guess it comes down to what CDM said, if they gave him a short course orally or by injection to help his initial return to playing that is one thing, if they have continued it with the intention of hiding an ongoing injury problem to help trade him that is quite another.

[azwfan]

I think it would be hilarious if after all of this GP2 plays after a week or so.

[Twinkie defense]

Welcome back again GPII!

[statsman]

I think it would be hilarious if after all of this GP2 plays after a week or so.

That would be a really bad look for the Warriors.

[Twinkie defense]

Can Donte and Payton play at the same time? I suppose you could play Poole or Klay with them maybe with Wiggins sliding to power forward for offense.

Or Curry with Donte and Payton becoming the small forward on defense.

For those who don't listen to the Draymond Green podcast, I suggest you do - dude is so knowledgable about the NBA - all the players, and also the financial aspects. I can see him being a top team executive at some point.

Anyway in his most recent podcast he broke down all the big deadline trades. (He had big, big props for the Suns move, and also for Lacob for making the team better at the deadline instead of pocketing the savings.) And he talked about Wiseman and GPII. He was talking about the flexibility that having GPII gives you, and was salivating in particular about rolling out a lineup including Donte, GPII, and Wiggins (presumably with himself and Looney) when they need to clamp down.

[Twinkie defense]

BTW I see a lot of recent discussion of Toradol. Not sure if this was clarified in the thread but apparently GPII was taking the ORAL version of Toradol, not injections. His agent seems to have been objecting to the reporting of GPII getting INJECTIONS.

[ILOVEIT]

Sit him for another month. Get he and Curry ready for the games that matter.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

Can Donte and Payton play at the same time? I suppose you could play Poole or Klay with them maybe with Wiggins sliding to power forward for offense.

Or Curry with Donte and Payton becoming the small forward on defense.

For those who don't listen to the Draymond Green podcast, I suggest you do - dude is so knowledgable about the NBA - all the players, and also the financial aspects. I can see him being a top team executive at some point.

Anyway in his most recent podcast he broke down all the big deadline trades. (He had big, big props for the Suns move, and also for Lacob for making the team better at the deadline instead of pocketing the savings.) And he talked about Wiseman and GPII. He was talking about the flexibility that having GPII gives you, and was salivating in particular about rolling out a lineup including Donte, GPII, and Wiggins (presumably with himself and Looney) when they need to clamp down.

I love Draymonds podcasts both for information and because I just like hearing Draymond talk. He has an infectious enthusiasm.
But I have not heard the latest podcast.

Donte and Payton will be great on defense but I think they are weak as a backcourt offensively. I don’t like Wiggins as a 1st option but think Wiggins is fine as a 2nd option. So either Curry should play with Payton and Donter, 3 small guards: give Curry the easiest defensive assignment. Or play Donte and Payton with 2 off Poole, Klay and Wiggins. Playing them with Klay and Poole would be very small at forwards but would be hard for the opposing defense to cover. Looney Draymond Wiggins Payton and Donte does not seem like enough offense.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Recent athletic said one of the issues was the toradol injections. It was clarified that toradol was given, but orally and not injected.

Maybe that's the issue gp2s agent was disagreeing about. Either way, I'd fire that agent.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Dubs seem to think the Blazers did the same thing during the nance trade according to a Marc stein podcast.

[whatisacenter]

I don't give a rat's ass what Portland did or didn't do anymore. The Warriors completed the trade and now we have GP2 back and on the books for the next two seasons. Not a fan of the trade and I have doubts that this team can make the play-in at this point. Hopefully he can play more than Iguodala.

[delsol650]

Hopefully he can play more than Iguodala.

I think at this point everyone has played more than the milkman.

Even Wiseman had more PT than him.

[DAWill1128]

Watch on YouTube

[and1GS]

Sit him for another month. Get he and Curry ready for the games that matter.

Problem is the games that matter are right now.