2023 NBA Draft

[EvanZ]

I don’t think any NBA offense builds around Edey which is what 25-30% usage implies.

And if you’re saying he’s “not a big minutes” guy why would you take him in the Lottery? Doesn’t make sense.

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[clyde21]

My draft hot take is that Edey should go lottery and he seems as/more talented to me than everyone after Wemby/Scoot (Thompson twins a bit of a ? though).

What do you think his NBA usage is?


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High volume/efficient scoring (25-30% usage and actually efficient mid 60s TS%).

He may be a bad fit with dumb offensive players (e.g. better with a Conley type compared to a Russell/Edwards), but so be it imo.

Keep him in drop coverage defensively of course. Defend the rim and don't put people on the line. That's where efficient NBA offense currently is, and he should defend it well.

Obviously great rebounding on both ends.

Not a big minutes guy but could be very impactful on the court.

not sure how you can admit he's not a big minutes again while arguing he should be a lotto pick

i hope any GM picking in the lotto would be aiming much higher than that.

[TheSuzerain]

What do you think his NBA usage is?


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High volume/efficient scoring (25-30% usage and actually efficient mid 60s TS%).

He may be a bad fit with dumb offensive players (e.g. better with a Conley type compared to a Russell/Edwards), but so be it imo.

Keep him in drop coverage defensively of course. Defend the rim and don't put people on the line. That's where efficient NBA offense currently is, and he should defend it well.

Obviously great rebounding on both ends.

Not a big minutes guy but could be very impactful on the court.

not sure how you can admit he's not a big minutes again while arguing he should be a lotto pick

i hope any GM picking in the lotto would be aiming much higher than that.

28 minutes of excellent play is more valuable than 36 minutes of mediocrity.

[clyde21]

High volume/efficient scoring (25-30% usage and actually efficient mid 60s TS%).

He may be a bad fit with dumb offensive players (e.g. better with a Conley type compared to a Russell/Edwards), but so be it imo.

Keep him in drop coverage defensively of course. Defend the rim and don't put people on the line. That's where efficient NBA offense currently is, and he should defend it well.

Obviously great rebounding on both ends.

Not a big minutes guy but could be very impactful on the court.

not sure how you can admit he's not a big minutes again while arguing he should be a lotto pick

i hope any GM picking in the lotto would be aiming much higher than that.

28 minutes of excellent play is more valuable than 36 minutes of mediocrity.

what does 'excellent' play look like to you from Edey in the NBA?

[TheSuzerain]

I don’t think any NBA offense builds around Edey which is what 25-30% usage implies.

And if you’re saying he’s “not a big minutes” guy why would you take him in the Lottery? Doesn’t make sense.

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Boban had a career usage of 25% and Edey seems more skilled to me.

I just mean he probably ends up around 30 minutes per game generally. Zubac/Gobert territory.

[TheSuzerain]

not sure how you can admit he's not a big minutes again while arguing he should be a lotto pick

i hope any GM picking in the lotto would be aiming much higher than that.

28 minutes of excellent play is more valuable than 36 minutes of mediocrity.

what does 'excellent' play look like to you from Edey in the NBA?

Uhhh look up. I laid it out.

[clyde21]

28 minutes of excellent play is more valuable than 36 minutes of mediocrity.

what does 'excellent' play look like to you from Edey in the NBA?

Uhhh look up. I laid it out.

i mean you didn't say anything, you talked about giving him 25% usage (lol?) and then followed it up by talking about how would need to be a drop-coverage big only and mentioned that he'll be on a minutes restriction.

i missed the 'excellent' part.

[TheSuzerain]

what does 'excellent' play look like to you from Edey in the NBA?

Uhhh look up. I laid it out.

i mean you didn't say anything, you talked about giving him 25% usage (lol?) and then followed it up by talking about how would need to be a drop-coverage big only and mentioned that he'll be on a minutes restriction.

i missed the 'excellent' part.

I mean he's the best player in college ball by a distance. Excellent play from him looks like that.

[clyde21]

Uhhh look up. I laid it out.

i mean you didn't say anything, you talked about giving him 25% usage (lol?) and then followed it up by talking about how would need to be a drop-coverage big only and mentioned that he'll be on a minutes restriction.

i missed the 'excellent' part.

I mean he's the best player in college ball by a distance. Excellent play from him looks like that.

so was Luka Garza, doesn't really mean anything in the NBA.

that's not to say Edey can't be useful in some capacity in the NBA, he has great hands, incredible touch around the rim and nice feet for his size but the idea that a guy like this should be a lotto pick in 2023 NBA is bonkers.

[TheSuzerain]

i mean you didn't say anything, you talked about giving him 25% usage (lol?) and then followed it up by talking about how would need to be a drop-coverage big only and mentioned that he'll be on a minutes restriction.

i missed the 'excellent' part.

I mean he's the best player in college ball by a distance. Excellent play from him looks like that.

so was Luka Garza, doesn't really mean anything in the NBA.

that's not to say Edey can't be useful in some capacity in the NBA, he has great hands, incredible touch around the rim and nice feet for his size but the idea that a guy like this should be a lotto pick in 2023 NBA is bonkers.

Garza ain't looking too shabby and he is very much inferior to Edey. Garza's not a standout dimensionally. Edey is. He's like 99th percentile tall/long with actual weight/strength as well.

[clyde21]

I mean he's the best player in college ball by a distance. Excellent play from him looks like that.

so was Luka Garza, doesn't really mean anything in the NBA.

that's not to say Edey can't be useful in some capacity in the NBA, he has great hands, incredible touch around the rim and nice feet for his size but the idea that a guy like this should be a lotto pick in 2023 NBA is bonkers.

Garza ain't looking too shabby and he is very much inferior to Edey. Garza's not a standout dimensionally. Edey is. He's like 99th percentile tall/long with actual weight/strength as well.

how high would you be willing to take him?

[The-Power]

Garza ain't looking too shabby and he is very much inferior to Edey. Garza's not a standout dimensionally. Edey is. He's like 99th percentile tall/long with actual weight/strength as well.

Garza is currently playing 9 MPG as a second-year player on a mediocre team. We may call him ‘barely a rotational player’ but that's about it. And that's a decent outcome for him, something that many would not have expected if he can keep it up. But that's a far cry from being picked highly in the draft. Also of note is that part of why Garza has become more playable is that he actually leaned into being a 3pt shooter more. It remains to be seen whether Edey manages do the same in the NBA but Garza certainly had a head-start in that regard.

[The-Power]

Don't look now but Rylan Griffen has really woken up as of late. 45% on over 50 3s over his last 12 games. Efficient also on 2s and solid on the boards. Probably not someone for this year unless some team gambles and gives him a promise but he could be headed for a much bigger role next year and raise his draft stock.

[SeattleJazzFan]

Don't look now but Rylan Griffen has really woken up as of late. 45% on over 50 3s over his last 12 games. Efficient also on 2s and solid on the boards. Probably not someone for this year unless some team gambles and gives him a promise but he could be headed for a much bigger role next year and raise his draft stock.

good call he could definitely break out as a sophomore. he's very good.

[TheSuzerain]

Garza ain't looking too shabby and he is very much inferior to Edey. Garza's not a standout dimensionally. Edey is. He's like 99th percentile tall/long with actual weight/strength as well.

Garza is currently playing 9 MPG as a second-year player on a mediocre team. We may call him ‘barely a rotational player’ but that's about it. And that's a decent outcome for him, something that many would not have expected if he can keep it up. But that's a far cry from being picked highly in the draft. Also of note is that part of why Garza has become more playable is that he actually leaned into being a 3pt shooter more. It remains to be seen whether Edey manages do the same in the NBA but Garza certainly had a head-start in that regard.

I think there are clear differences between the two, but Garza is a recent example of a guy who was able to keep the high-volume 2-point attempts going from college to the pros. Small sample size of course, but there's admittedly not a lot of comparables for this type of player these days. For Garza this year vs college, he has a downtick in 2pt FGA volume but actually an increase in 2pt FG%, and he's still been able to get to the line at a great rate.

I don't think Edey would/should add a 3-ball as Garza has, but I do think Garza is a green flag for Edey to maintain high usage in the NBA which is essentially the crux of the pitch for him as a top prospect.

[EvanZ]

I don't think Edey would/should add a 3-ball as Garza has, but I do think Garza is a green flag for Edey to maintain high usage in the NBA which is essentially the crux of the pitch for him as a top prospect.

It's not simply up to the player to be high usage. It has to be within the scheme of the team. If you're telling me you think he's Embiid or Jokic that's one thing. But those guys are HOF caliber bigs. You don't just roll out an Edey and tell him to go get buckets unless you're committed to building around him on offense and defense.

Is that what you think NBA teams want to do in 2023?

[BlazersBroncos]

I think a situational guy like Edey is worth a late FRP. I think he could be a nice 18-20mpg type, sorta like early Zubac (Who has not transitioned into bigger minutes).

He will get PNR'd off the court in the playoffs though. But I still think he can be a regular season plus on a team. He isnt a Tacko like sideshow, dude has NBA skills. His FT% and hands are the difference makers.

[EvanZ]

I think the issue here is not whether he's a late first round pick. That's whatever. Dudes like Kabangele, Oturu, and Udoka went there. I think the debate here is whether there's a world where Edey is worth taking in the Lottery. I don't see it. I could be wrong. Maybe he's an outlier or a black swan. But I wouldn't be willing to bet on it.

[TheSuzerain]

I don't think Edey would/should add a 3-ball as Garza has, but I do think Garza is a green flag for Edey to maintain high usage in the NBA which is essentially the crux of the pitch for him as a top prospect.

It's not simply up to the player to be high usage. It has to be within the scheme of the team. If you're telling me you think he's Embiid or Jokic that's one thing. But those guys are HOF caliber bigs. You don't just roll out an Edey and tell him to go get buckets unless you're committed to building around him on offense and defense.

Is that what you think NBA teams want to do in 2023?

I think NBA teams want to win. That involves copy-catting a lot of the time, but eventually that game grows stale. And once everyone is doing the same thing, it becomes extremely hard to gather the right pieces.

Edey would absolutely be a different set-up, but I don't think that's inherently a bad thing. And the teams picking at the top of the draft generally don't really have much of a worthwhile foundation to be married to anyway.

[165bows]

I think a situational guy like Edey is worth a late FRP. I think he could be a nice 18-20mpg type, sorta like early Zubac (Who has not transitioned into bigger minutes).

He will get PNR'd off the court in the playoffs though. But I still think he can be a regular season plus on a team. He isnt a Tacko like sideshow, dude has NBA skills. His FT% and hands are the difference makers.

I agree, think he's under-valued in the mock drafts. It's not even like he's really broken out, he was good last year too. On the lotto, well it's a bold call, not sure he's worth that but tons of guys in the lotto totally wash out anyways. Plenty of nice 18-20 min guys might as well have been taken in the lotto over who actually got taken there.

Seems like he should top-45. I think his passing will play up at the NBA level. The D spacing will hurt but I think he actually gets helped by the spacing at the NBA level in terms of his passing.