The newcomers (Plumlee, EJ and Bones)

[LamarWho]

Been watching highlights(current season) of the these 3 new additions.

Plumlee - He was the backup C I wanted. He's definitely an upgrade over Zu offensively. Great handles for a big man, looked very comfortable bringing the ball up during fast break. Great passing big man should help our stagnant offense a bit. About to turn 33 but still very athletic. Much better finisher around the rim than Zu.

EJ - We all know what he brings to the table. Still a good defender, and still likes to attack the rim at his age.

Bones - This guy to me is the biggest question mark. Some mentioned he's a PG. Based on his highlights this guy is one of the biggest black hole on offense I have ever seen. He can score for sure but I wouldn't want him and Norm on the court together. He's very young, I hope he's willing to develop more on his playmaking.

[madmaxmedia]

From what I've seen Bone's 3PT shooting is significantly better than I thought, but his point guarding is significantly worse. If he only took Luke Kennard type looks he'd definitely be above 40% 3PT, but he can take pull ups and shoot from well behind the line. He can be tricky mixing speeds driving the ball, but isn't a great finisher at the rim.

It's going to be up to him whether he wants a long and productive NBA career with the money and success that comes with that, or be a flashy scorer type who wears out his welcome in a few years (literally what just happened in Denver.) He's very naturally talented so if he really tries to learn to play a complete game he can do it, but it's easier for him to fall back on what comes natural to him (and blame others if it doesn't work out.)

I am completely open on EJ right now, have no idea whether he's going to look rejuvenated in a smaller role with us or looked like a washed contract. He was more efficient in Houston than John Wall was, and am pretty sure he is over the moon to be escaping from there.

I'm also trying not to get unrealistically hopeful about Plumlee, but I think he'll be a great tandem center with Zu. I think Zu is better suited for less than 30 MPG (though he'll still be the starter), and Plumlee will get more than just backup minutes.

[Bobbymcgee]

I think if us Clippers fans are looking for Bones to be the answer at point guard we are going to be in for a disappointment. But, I prefer to think of him more like Lou Williams and Jamal Crawford. A guy who can come off the bench, give you instant offense, and handle some point guard duties. But he is definitely not the savior at the one spot for the Clippers this season. Maybe he can develop beyond that but I don't see it right now.

[Roscoe Sheed]

I think if us Clippers fans are looking for Bones to be the answer at point guard we are going to be in for a disappointment. But, I prefer to think of him more like Lou Williams and Jamal Crawford. A guy who can come off the bench, give you instant offense, and handle some point guard duties. But he is definitely not the savior at the one spot for the Clippers this season. Maybe he can develop beyond that but I don't see it right now.

my thoughts exactly- he is quite a bit younger and a better shooter than either were during their era with the Clippers though

[esqtvd]

I think if us Clippers fans are looking for Bones to be the answer at point guard we are going to be in for a disappointment. But, I prefer to think of him more like Lou Williams and Jamal Crawford. A guy who can come off the bench, give you instant offense, and handle some point guard duties. But he is definitely not the savior at the one spot for the Clippers this season. Maybe he can develop beyond that but I don't see it right now.

my thoughts exactly- he is quite a bit younger and a better shooter than either were during their era with the Clippers though

Lou and Jamal could get their own shot--and had to. They were out there with offensive incompetents. That's why they were so appreciated by their teammates. If they were "gunners" it's because that's what the team needed.

And that's why Luke was not very useful here and why Mann can score 20 points one night and 2 the next. The name of the game is production.

Hyland supposedly can shoot from anywhere. If so, he might be as good as those multiple 6MOYs someday. If not, he will struggle for PT.

[skywalker33]

Yeah, Bones has some talent but also has some consistency issues (poor shot selection) as well as immaturity issues to deal with. He can be exciting to watch but can also be just as frustrating to watch. He'll try to push for more mins then lose focus. The reason we traded him so cheap was he walked out on the team during our recent OKC game because he felt he wasn't getting the mins he deserved. He's gonna be a good player if he can reign in his ego.

[KL2]

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He and Murray really didn’t get along lol.

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[skywalker33]

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Did I mention the IMMATURITY ??

[Wammy Giveaway]

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Hyland's assist per game in 2021-22 season was 3.2. His highest assist game was this year as Nugget vs. Kings in 2022 off a one-point loss. From his rookie season, his assist numbers have hovered between 3 and 5, his nominal high is a 7. Nuggets were 13-8 when Hyland accrues 5 assists or more. He'll need to do better than that.

Not a single Clipper outside of Leonard and George averages more than 5 APG. If Hyland wants to be a point guard and not a shooting guard, prove it.

Hyland must average 5 APG or better per game.

[nickhx2]

not a fan of his maturity for sure lol

but when you're in your early 20s having even a smidgen of that is atypical

let's hope that if he really does keep that pettiness that it drives him to be great

[skywalker33]

If the Clips and Nuggets meet in the playoffs, I'm betting Murrays asks to play directly against Bones, we'll likely see him go for 70pts games with the lack of D Bizzy plays

[og15]

I think if us Clippers fans are looking for Bones to be the answer at point guard we are going to be in for a disappointment. But, I prefer to think of him more like Lou Williams and Jamal Crawford. A guy who can come off the bench, give you instant offense, and handle some point guard duties. But he is definitely not the savior at the one spot for the Clippers this season. Maybe he can develop beyond that but I don't see it right now.

Bones doesn't have PG IQ, does he have PG skills though? Yes. He can run the puck and roll, make solid reads, etc, but the other stuff needs to be developed.

The additional positive is that the team is adding more young talent to the roster, which is good.

[og15]

If the Clips and Nuggets meet in the playoffs, I'm betting Murrays asks to play directly against Bones, we'll likely see him go for 70pts games with the lack of D Bizzy plays

Bones would definitely not be on the court much haha

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Hyland's assist per game in 2021-22 season was 3.2. His highest assist game was this year as Nugget vs. Kings in 2022 off a one-point loss. From his rookie season, his assist numbers have hovered between 3 and 5, his nominal high is a 7. Nuggets were 13-8 when Hyland accrues 5 assists or more. He'll need to do better than that.

Not a single Clipper outside of Leonard and George averages more than 5 APG. If Hyland wants to be a point guard and not a shooting guard, prove it.

Hyland must average 5 APG or better per game.

A number like apg is going to be dependent on minutes. Hyland is not going to get 5+ apg playing, for example, 17 mpg. If you're going to look at anything for a bench player like that you look at assist per minute or assist rate, not a raw number without the context of minutes.

[nickhx2]

If the Clips and Nuggets meet in the playoffs, I'm betting Murrays asks to play directly against Bones, we'll likely see him go for 70pts games with the lack of D Bizzy plays

Bones would definitely not be on the court much haha

hahaha yeah i mean i bet you want justice but it's unlikely to happen in the way you want

[nickhx2]

I think if us Clippers fans are looking for Bones to be the answer at point guard we are going to be in for a disappointment. But, I prefer to think of him more like Lou Williams and Jamal Crawford. A guy who can come off the bench, give you instant offense, and handle some point guard duties. But he is definitely not the savior at the one spot for the Clippers this season. Maybe he can develop beyond that but I don't see it right now.

Bones doesn't have PG IQ, does he have PG skills though? Yes. He can run the puck and roll, make solid reads, etc, but the other stuff needs to be developed.

The additional positive is that the team is adding more young talent to the roster, which is good.

i think for someone like me who tends to have a greater focus on the now given our current roster, it's easy for me to overlook the "later" part fairly often, so this move doesn't really feel all that interesting or significant to me. but i also readily admit that just because i have a myopia on the now, that it doesn't mean there's an importance of adding young talent when it makes sense.

for whatever silly things this team goes through with respect to getting proper fits for the "now" (like come on, why is morris still on the roster? where is a real point guard? and no, westbrook doesn't count), the team does do a really solid job of picking up odds and ends here and there and keeps coming away with young, fringey talent that absolutely has their shots to be real NBA players. mann is a prime example, zubac another. and if you're continually making something out of nothing, it's more or less inevitable you'll find star talent with that same process.

[KL2]

There’s some maturing to be had for sure but I love his swagger. His fearlessness and belief in himself. I love that he doesn’t cower against any opponent. The only other guy we have on the team like that is Boston Jr. They have this energy this team desperately needs. While everyone else is playing a paint by numbers game they’re not afraid to go outside the lines.

Will that get them in trouble and a seat at the end of the bench? Yeah. It’s a shame they’re not allowed to be themselves while still playing a team game. You’re not going to learn if you’re not allowed the minutes and opportunity to mature through the mistakes.

I’m hoping he gets a legit look at and opportunity. But I know not to hold my breath.

[Wigginstime]

There’s some maturing to be had for sure but I love his swagger. His fearlessness and belief in himself. I love that he doesn’t cower against any opponent. The only other guy we have on the team like that is Boston Jr. They have this energy this team desperately needs. While everyone else is playing a paint by numbers game they’re not afraid to go outside the lines.

Will that get them in trouble and a seat at the end of the bench? Yeah. It’s a shame they’re not allowed to be themselves while still playing a team game. You’re not going to learn if you’re not allowed the minutes and opportunity to mature through the mistakes.

I’m hoping he gets a legit look at and opportunity. But I know not to hold my breath.

I agree with your assessment of Bones and thought he was great when he played with the 2nd unit or when he stepped up due to other guys being out. The problem is Bones has that swagger and won't back down from guys like PG or Leonard. Those are much stronger personalities than Jokic or Murray. It will be interesting to see if they can "set him straight". Its interesting, if you look at his stats he looks like a very promising young player, but he really struggled playing with Jokic and Murray. FYI here is another post i made:

When you look at all the Nuggets various lineups the worst lineup with significant minutes is when Murray and Hyland were on the court together, the Nuggets had a net rating of -11.9 and a terrible defensive rating of 124.1
https://www.nba.com/stats/lineups/traditional?slug=traditional&GroupQuantity=2&TeamID=1610612743

Murray and Hyland never figured out how to play together.

To make matters worse - When Jokic is on the floor the Nuggets always have a favorable net rating. The Nuggets dominate with Jokic on the floor with the falling exception

Jokic/Brown/Hyland was a -7.4
Jokic/Murray/Hyland was a 2.2
Jokic/KCP/Hyland was a 3.3
https://www.nba.com/stats/lineups/advanced?CF=GROUP_NAME*R*Jokic:MIN*G*100&GroupQuantity=3&TeamID=1610612743&dir=D&slug=advanced&sort=NET_RATING

The only time Jokic was ever ineffective this year was when he was trying to play with Hyland.

In Hylands defense - he plays great with the 2nd unit when he is given freedom to due his thing; however, you really don't want a player who can't play with your two leading scorers..

[clipperlover]

If Hyland is getting heavy usage this season, then we aren't doing well.

[skywalker33]

If Hyland is getting heavy usage this season, then we aren't doing well.

Then expect him to start pouting in LAC-land just like he did in DEN

[nickhx2]

yeah i'm totally expecting him to get some g-league minutes and i'm not at all confident he'll be happy to be working on things there.