Welcome back GP2!!

[Onus]

Bob said we're re-evaluating GP in a month ... smh

[Big J]

Bob said we're re-evaluating GP in a month ... smh

What was the point of not rescinding the trade again?

[Onus]

Bob said we're re-evaluating GP in a month ... smh

What was the point of not rescinding the trade again?

Had no way to get James on the floor they said. Whereas they hope gp will be ready before the playoffs.

[bay2hk]

Reconfirmed by Bob https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/35653806/warriors-expect-gary-payton-miss-least-one-month

Wiseman was never going to get any meaningful playtime even if he returned. This trade also saves Warriors $$ too. If you listen to how Dray talks about Wiseman vs GPI, you'll understand the whole organization gave up on him. Fans just need to let it go

[Old_Blue]

Bob said we're re-evaluating GP in a month ... smh

What was the point of not rescinding the trade again?

Had no way to get James on the floor they said.

What a polite way of saying Wiseman's defense is horrible.

[Big J]

Reconfirmed by Bob https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/35653806/warriors-expect-gary-payton-miss-least-one-month

Wiseman was never going to get any meaningful playtime even if he returned. This trade also saves Warriors $$ too. If you listen to how Dray talks about Wiseman vs GPI, you'll understand the whole organization gave up on him. Fans just need to let it go

I hate Wiseman as much as the next guy, but this whole GPII situation with his abs does not sound good. GP2 could be done for the season for all we know.

[DonaldSanders]

Reconfirmed by Bob https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/35653806/warriors-expect-gary-payton-miss-least-one-month

Wiseman was never going to get any meaningful playtime even if he returned. This trade also saves Warriors $$ too. If you listen to how Dray talks about Wiseman vs GPI, you'll understand the whole organization gave up on him. Fans just need to let it go

I hate Wiseman as much as the next guy, but this whole GPII situation with his abs does not sound good. GP2 could be done for the season for all we know.

Is there any reason you are not trusting the Warriors medical staff? Not playing at all seems unlikely but I suppose possible -- long term I doubt we pick him up if we can't fully rehab him (I get the vibe that you and others are worried he will have some kind of permanent issue, which I doubt we'd be on board for). Wiseman wouldn't play this season anyway in the playoffs. At minimum we have to look towards next season, GPII is a good player for us and Wiseman hasn't.

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[Big J]

Reconfirmed by Bob https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/35653806/warriors-expect-gary-payton-miss-least-one-month

Wiseman was never going to get any meaningful playtime even if he returned. This trade also saves Warriors $$ too. If you listen to how Dray talks about Wiseman vs GPI, you'll understand the whole organization gave up on him. Fans just need to let it go

I hate Wiseman as much as the next guy, but this whole GPII situation with his abs does not sound good. GP2 could be done for the season for all we know.

Is there any reason you are not trusting the Warriors medical staff? Not playing at all seems unlikely but I suppose possible -- long term I doubt we pick him up if we can't fully rehab him (I get the vibe that you and others are worried he will have some kind of permanent issue, which I doubt we'd be on board for). Wiseman wouldn't play this season anyway in the playoffs. At minimum we have to look towards next season, GPII is a good player for us and Wiseman hasn't.

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I don't think he's ever going to be as good as he was last year again, but I guess we'll see.

[ILOVEIT]

As long as he's able to play 100% in playoffs...that's a win.

Hope we make it to the playoffs lol

[WarriorGM]

Reconfirmed by Bob https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/35653806/warriors-expect-gary-payton-miss-least-one-month

Wiseman was never going to get any meaningful playtime even if he returned. This trade also saves Warriors $$ too. If you listen to how Dray talks about Wiseman vs GPI, you'll understand the whole organization gave up on him. Fans just need to let it go

If this is true then I'm disappointed in the whole organization. Wiseman was clearly not ready early on but to give up on him completely when he actually got some reps? My opinion on Wiseman has always been that if he ever became good enough to be able to stay on the floor he'd become a factor. The entire approach of the team when it has come to rookies has been weird.

[whatisacenter]

Reconfirmed by Bob https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/35653806/warriors-expect-gary-payton-miss-least-one-month

Wiseman was never going to get any meaningful playtime even if he returned. This trade also saves Warriors $$ too. If you listen to how Dray talks about Wiseman vs GPI, you'll understand the whole organization gave up on him. Fans just need to let it go

If this is true then I'm disappointed in the whole organization. Wiseman was clearly not ready early on but to give up on him completely when he actually got some reps? My opinion on Wiseman has always been that if he ever became good enough to be able to stay on the floor he'd become a factor. The entire approach of the team when it has come to rookies has been weird.

agree. I really have no idea what they are doing but I am guessing it has a lot to do with the veterans on the team not wanting to play with the young guys and Kerr not trusting them. I was for keeping the picks and developing them but at this point I wish they had just traded them for whatever.

[michaelm]

Reconfirmed by Bob https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/35653806/warriors-expect-gary-payton-miss-least-one-month

Wiseman was never going to get any meaningful playtime even if he returned. This trade also saves Warriors $$ too. If you listen to how Dray talks about Wiseman vs GPI, you'll understand the whole organization gave up on him. Fans just need to let it go

If this is true then I'm disappointed in the whole organization. Wiseman was clearly not ready early on but to give up on him completely when he actually got some reps? My opinion on Wiseman has always been that if he ever became good enough to be able to stay on the floor he'd become a factor. The entire approach of the team when it has come to rookies has been weird.

As is often the case recently I agree with you. He was pretty much the only potential x-factor/dominant NBA player within their purview, and I am not sure when they will see another. Sure he did nothing to help the team in his time at GSW and didn’t fit with the timeline of the dynasty team, but as you say if he could be taught to be good enough defensively to stay on the court, no doubt a big if/requiring a gamble, he could imo as well as yours have been massive in more ways than one. Certainly a different scoring option.

I won't say I hope the decision doesn't come back to bite GSW, because I would still like to see him do well.

[Zvaart]

Reconfirmed by Bob https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/35653806/warriors-expect-gary-payton-miss-least-one-month

Wiseman was never going to get any meaningful playtime even if he returned. This trade also saves Warriors $$ too. If you listen to how Dray talks about Wiseman vs GPI, you'll understand the whole organization gave up on him. Fans just need to let it go

It saves 7 million this year. Iguodala's contract costs us 10 million. To sit on the bench. "Mentoring"

[Senchu]

I hope Wiseman dominates as well. He started to become good with hedging PnR on defense.
Maybe Lacob and Kerr/Vets should be on the same page regarding two timelines and just trade away all those assets while they have value.

[bay2hk]

I hope Wiseman dominates as well. He started to become good with hedging PnR on defense.
Maybe Lacob and Kerr/Vets should be on the same page regarding two timelines and just trade away all those assets while they have value.

Main issue with Wiseman is he was too slow at developing because of injuries and lack of basketball fundamentals, which he is still trying to learn. Wiseman also wasn’t able to adapt to Warriors’ system because he was a one trick pony (strength was his scoring ability). Most time he was a liability on the court.

At least with Kuminga, Moody, and PBJ they can contribute immediately, when given playing time, because they know the fundamentals and have pretty good basketball IQ. Lamelo would have been the better fit on the warriors given his basketball IQ and ability to adapt. Warriors just need to draft guys that aren’t 5 year projects.

[Twinkie defense]

Posting on the other thread I was going to suggest someone should ask you as you would be familiar with the use of the drug in a sporting context which you obviously are.

What you say was pretty much my less informed surmise, that they may have given the drug to him in an injectable form short term when he first returned. I presume the complications of the drug are worse in the more concentrated injectable form which is why it is only given for a few days.

As someone else, iirc Chris Porter's Hair, said it is irrelevant if he had the problem at GSW, and the same would apply to whether he was given Toradol at GSW, he wasn't traded to Portland, they signed him as a Free agent and may even have outbid GSW, so the onus was on them now they were trading him.

In case it got lost in the thread, GPII was taking Toradol ORALLY, which is probably where the agent's comments about injections come in - I think the original reporting mentioned injections specifically.

My girlfriend is a USF and UCSF-trained nurse and says they would use Toradol to treat chest pain (like when a patient is recovering from heart surgery). It works well, however she was concerned that GPII was getting it as it should only be used for short-term purposes and has some nasty side effects including potentially messing up your kidneys.

[Twinkie defense]

Can Donte and Payton play at the same time? I suppose you could play Poole or Klay with them maybe with Wiggins sliding to power forward for offense.

Draymond thinks so - the way he was talking about Donte, GPII and Wiggins on the court together I could see his eyes getting real big.

[Twinkie defense]

Bob said we're re-evaluating GP in a month ... smh

What was the point of not rescinding the trade again?

Because 1) Wiseman is not gonna help the team this season, and the more he hangs around on the bench, the lower his value as an asset dwindles, and 2) they still expect GPII back sometime this season where he can help the team - hopefully in time for the playoffs. And of course they'd still have him next season.

[Twinkie defense]

Reconfirmed by Bob https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/35653806/warriors-expect-gary-payton-miss-least-one-month

Wiseman was never going to get any meaningful playtime even if he returned. This trade also saves Warriors $$ too. If you listen to how Dray talks about Wiseman vs GPI, you'll understand the whole organization gave up on him. Fans just need to let it go

Draymond talked about how this is also a good move for Wiseman, he can have a fresh start, get more playing time. Win/win.

[Twinkie defense]

What a polite way of saying Wiseman's defense is horrible.

Defense is horrible, and his offense is a mismatch for what the Warriors do.