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Re: dedmond or noel on the buyout 

Post#61 » by Wilfried » Mon Feb 13, 2023 2:25 pm

Barton is the only real available player that could be considered a starter at some teams (until last season I guess). He should be the target. No need to go after a player who won't play in the play-offs.

Barton has shown he can be a spark offensively, and could guard 2-3. McDaniels 3-4. Melton 1-2-3. Can give us some flexibility at the wing.

During play-offs, I can't see what minutes a Dedmon or Noel would make.

Harden
Melton
Harris
Tucker
Embiid

Maxey
McDaniels
Barton

Maybe Niang some minutes for shooting

Milton can get minutes when there's an injury

Tucker can play some back-up 5 minutes with McDaniels I guess
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Re: dedmond or noel on the buyout 

Post#62 » by bumpo » Mon Feb 13, 2023 2:27 pm

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Re: dedmond or noel on the buyout 

Post#63 » by Stanford » Mon Feb 13, 2023 2:30 pm

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Post#64 » by ankle420breaker » Mon Feb 13, 2023 2:34 pm

Not a fan. Another washed backup that Doc will over-play.

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Post#65 » by phillynative » Mon Feb 13, 2023 2:48 pm

ankle420breaker wrote:Not a fan. Another washed backup that Doc will over-play.

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The dread :lol:

He cant be worse than Trez right?..

I'm sure the heat experience left him with a bad taste in his mouth, maybe he will play like he has something to prove...
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Post#66 » by phillynative » Mon Feb 13, 2023 3:00 pm

We still need Barton. Wasn't he and Niang teammates, maybe he can coerce him to come here and complete the bench unit for a contender.
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Post#67 » by Murray_17 » Mon Feb 13, 2023 3:13 pm

phillynative wrote:We still need Barton. Wasn't he and Niang teammates, maybe he can coerce him to come here and complete the bench unit for a contender.



We have to cut someone if we sign another guy.
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Post#68 » by youngcrev » Mon Feb 13, 2023 3:15 pm

Murray_17 wrote:
phillynative wrote:We still need Barton. Wasn't he and Niang teammates, maybe he can coerce him to come here and complete the bench unit for a contender.



We have to cut someone if we sign another guy.


Perfect. Trez is still on the roster.
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Re: dedmond or noel on the buyout 

Post#69 » by Wilfried » Mon Feb 13, 2023 3:15 pm

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phillynative wrote:We still need Barton. Wasn't he and Niang teammates, maybe he can coerce him to come here and complete the bench unit for a contender.



We have to cut someone if we sign another guy.


That will be Paul than

But not sure if Barton is interested. Are there other teams that could lure him with more minutes, more chances at a title (more money?)
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Post#70 » by Lockdown504090 » Mon Feb 13, 2023 3:22 pm

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to me the option was one of the two, and the decision really informs if they want to play isoball or pnr/ball movement style when joel is out the game. They obviously intend to run 5 out switch hunting with harden and no maxey for a few minutes in the playoffs or tobias midpost/dho. McDaniels is a gigantic X factor, if he can be almost as good as his brother, if he can find a way to defend jaylen brown even a little bit, the 76ers have a shot.

Im not a huge philly fan or anything, Ive just found this to be the most interesting team in the nba this season because of their strengths against the bucks, and their weaknesses against boston. I feel like the bucks would much much rather play boston than philly, but boston has too much perimiter talent for embiid to be an elite defender, exposing his teammates a la rudy gobert(not as extreme obviously)
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Post#71 » by ExplosionsInDaSky » Mon Feb 13, 2023 11:03 pm

You guys need to relax. This isn't a bad signing at all. It's not like we're asking him to play anything more than a few minutes off the bench. Dedmon knows how to play defense, he's a solid rebounder, he can run the floor, he's active around the basket on the offensive end and he can hit an open three. There's nothing flashy about his game, but he's a solid add if you ask me. Again, we're looking for added rim protection, and rebounding. Dedmon checks those boxes.
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Re: dedmond or noel on the buyout 

Post#72 » by phillynative » Mon Feb 13, 2023 11:07 pm

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bumpo wrote:
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to me the option was one of the two, and the decision really informs if they want to play isoball or pnr/ball movement style when joel is out the game. They obviously intend to run 5 out switch hunting with harden and no maxey for a few minutes in the playoffs or tobias midpost/dho. McDaniels is a gigantic X factor, if he can be almost as good as his brother, if he can find a way to defend jaylen brown even a little bit, the 76ers have a shot.

Im not a huge philly fan or anything, Ive just found this to be the most interesting team in the nba this season because of their strengths against the bucks, and their weaknesses against boston. I feel like the bucks would much much rather play boston than philly, but boston has too much perimiter talent for embiid to be an elite defender, exposing his teammates a la rudy gobert(not as extreme obviously)


Maybe so. I was wondering if Dedmond would play 5 out so the driving lane would be open for Maxey nor sure though. What does bolded mean?
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Post#73 » by Kobblehead » Mon Feb 13, 2023 11:15 pm

Stanley Johnson played well for the Spurs. I wonder if we should give him a call. He's got the size and strength to defend some of the scoring wings.
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Post#74 » by Skates » Mon Feb 13, 2023 11:30 pm

Who knew that when I put in an Arizona game years ago to watch Stanley and RHJ that the best NBA player on the team would be TJ McConnell. Johnson would be nice here, but can they promise him minutes?
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Post#75 » by Monix » Mon Feb 13, 2023 11:34 pm

something must be up with Johnson, he doesn't stick anywhere (5 teams already)

a high pedigree, former top 10 pick, plays a position that's thin around the league, has shown flashes as a wing defender...something doesn't add up
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Re: dedmond or noel on the buyout 

Post#76 » by Lockdown504090 » Mon Feb 13, 2023 11:45 pm

phillynative wrote:
Lockdown504090 wrote:
bumpo wrote:
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to me the option was one of the two, and the decision really informs if they want to play isoball or pnr/ball movement style when joel is out the game. They obviously intend to run 5 out switch hunting with harden and no maxey for a few minutes in the playoffs or tobias midpost/dho. McDaniels is a gigantic X factor, if he can be almost as good as his brother, if he can find a way to defend jaylen brown even a little bit, the 76ers have a shot.

Im not a huge philly fan or anything, Ive just found this to be the most interesting team in the nba this season because of their strengths against the bucks, and their weaknesses against boston. I feel like the bucks would much much rather play boston than philly, but boston has too much perimiter talent for embiid to be an elite defender, exposing his teammates a la rudy gobert(not as extreme obviously)


Maybe so. I was wondering if Dedmond would play 5 out so the driving lane would be open for Maxey nor sure though. What does bolded mean?

Joel is good on the perimeter when he wants, but it’s really taxing on him and it takes away from how much he affects the entire game by being closer to the rim. Boston has al horford, who is the only guy who slows embiid down at all while also being able to pull him away. Same thing kinda happened in this game seven against the bucks with Lopez. The less embiid can do what he does best, the easier it is to exploit harden and maxey.

That being said, if embiid handles horford AND the double team well, this is a whole other conversation though
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Re: dedmond or noel on the buyout 

Post#77 » by phillynative » Tue Feb 14, 2023 12:54 am

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to me the option was one of the two, and the decision really informs if they want to play isoball or pnr/ball movement style when joel is out the game. They obviously intend to run 5 out switch hunting with harden and no maxey for a few minutes in the playoffs or tobias midpost/dho. McDaniels is a gigantic X factor, if he can be almost as good as his brother, if he can find a way to defend jaylen brown even a little bit, the 76ers have a shot.

Im not a huge philly fan or anything, Ive just found this to be the most interesting team in the nba this season because of their strengths against the bucks, and their weaknesses against boston. I feel like the bucks would much much rather play boston than philly, but boston has too much perimiter talent for embiid to be an elite defender, exposing his teammates a la rudy gobert(not as extreme obviously)


Maybe so. I was wondering if Dedmond would play 5 out so the driving lane would be open for Maxey nor sure though. What does bolded mean?

Joel is good on the perimeter when he wants, but it’s really taxing on him and it takes away from how much he affects the entire game by being closer to the rim. Boston has al horford, who is the only guy who slows embiid down at all while also being able to pull him away. Same thing kinda happened in this game seven against the bucks with Lopez. The less embiid can do what he does best, the easier it is to exploit harden and maxey.

That being said, if embiid handles horford AND the double team well, this is a whole other conversation though


I get all that was just confused about the Gobert comparison.
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Re: dedmond or noel on the buyout 

Post#78 » by Kolkmania » Tue Feb 14, 2023 7:26 am

Monix wrote:something must be up with Johnson, he doesn't stick anywhere (5 teams already)

a high pedigree, former top 10 pick, plays a position that's thin around the league, has shown flashes as a wing defender...something doesn't add up


He did well with his last two teams (Lakers and Spurs) in a limited role that suits him better. Spurs did him a favor by waiving him, he was winning them too many games and he gets the opportunity to join a playoff team.
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Re: dedmond or noel on the buyout 

Post#79 » by Monix » Tue Feb 14, 2023 12:35 pm

Kolkmania wrote:
Monix wrote:something must be up with Johnson, he doesn't stick anywhere (5 teams already)

a high pedigree, former top 10 pick, plays a position that's thin around the league, has shown flashes as a wing defender...something doesn't add up


He did well with his last two teams (Lakers and Spurs) in a limited role that suits him better. Spurs did him a favor by waiving him, he was winning them too many games and he gets the opportunity to join a playoff team.
wtf are you talking about?

Dude plays 15 minutes a game, doesn't start, and the team was 5 and 25 in the 30 games he played this season (9 and 19 in games he didn't play). The last win he played in he played 5 minutes and scored 2 points.
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Re: dedmond or noel on the buyout 

Post#80 » by Lockdown504090 » Tue Feb 14, 2023 1:42 pm

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Maybe so. I was wondering if Dedmond would play 5 out so the driving lane would be open for Maxey nor sure though. What does bolded mean?

Joel is good on the perimeter when he wants, but it’s really taxing on him and it takes away from how much he affects the entire game by being closer to the rim. Boston has al horford, who is the only guy who slows embiid down at all while also being able to pull him away. Same thing kinda happened in this game seven against the bucks with Lopez. The less embiid can do what he does best, the easier it is to exploit harden and maxey.

That being said, if embiid handles horford AND the double team well, this is a whole other conversation though


I get all that was just confused about the Gobert comparison.

im saying embiid like gobert is so good defensively, that when you look at philys ranking this year in D rating, its amazing. the 3 main reasons for this are Joel embiid in the paint, Joel embiid using his length to bother shots, and joel embiid telling others what to do. having him. when those things are diminished at all, it becomes like the jazz where you go " oh yeah, they have two little guards that cant defend anybody, lets kill them and punish rudy when he comes over." I think embiid actually has the ability to help and get back to a shooter, but i think thats too much energy for a guy whos minutes go up in the playoffs given how much physicality he exerts on offense drawing fouls, falling down and being a play initiator and finisher.

Another reason they are so good On d is that the offense is creating for him instead of him just posting up 15 times a game, so he has mo energy to defend. last year when they got harden, I thought Joel wasnt comfortable being a roll/pop guy. this year hes got it down.

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