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Post#881 » by Sedale Threatt » Fri Feb 10, 2023 11:13 pm

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wco81 wrote:What are the incentives for the league to punish City?

They bring some of the best players in the world to the league, which leads to higher TV ratings, more jersey sales. Many of these would probably be signed by other teams though.


they have to stop this massive unsustainable inflation. If City can spend whatever they want, then the other teams will try to catch up even if they can't really do it, and they will eventually end up in bankruptcy.


I don't even know how you can get on top of it given all the leagues and different governing bodies. Or even if there is much of a will to get on top of it. As has been noted, if the Premier League might even be invested in their teams fudging rules to continue amassing talent and attention, there doesn't seem like much of a chance it will happen. Salary caps generally (but not always) work wonders in US leagues, but they also have zero competition for talent.

Football is just a weird sport to follow. Arsenal is a massive, massive club and they spend an enormous amount of money, and for the better part of two decades now it's felt like even they don't even have the resources to compete. When it's gotten to that point, something seems fundamentally broken.
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Post#882 » by HIF » Sat Feb 11, 2023 11:13 am

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wco81 wrote:What are the incentives for the league to punish City?

They bring some of the best players in the world to the league, which leads to higher TV ratings, more jersey sales. Many of these would probably be signed by other teams though.


they have to stop this massive unsustainable inflation. If City can spend whatever they want, then the other teams will try to catch up even if they can't really do it, and they will eventually end up in bankruptcy.


I don't even know how you can get on top of it given all the leagues and different governing bodies. Or even if there is much of a will to get on top of it. As has been noted, if the Premier League might even be invested in their teams fudging rules to continue amassing talent and attention, there doesn't seem like much of a chance it will happen. Salary caps generally (but not always) work wonders in US leagues, but they also have zero competition for talent.

Football is just a weird sport to follow. Arsenal is a massive, massive club and they spend an enormous amount of money, and for the better part of two decades now it's felt like even they don't even have the resources to compete. When it's gotten to that point, something seems fundamentally broken.


And then you watch the FA cup or Leicester win the league or Brighton/West Ham challenge for Europe.
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Post#883 » by Sedale Threatt » Sat Feb 11, 2023 2:46 pm

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they have to stop this massive unsustainable inflation. If City can spend whatever they want, then the other teams will try to catch up even if they can't really do it, and they will eventually end up in bankruptcy.


I don't even know how you can get on top of it given all the leagues and different governing bodies. Or even if there is much of a will to get on top of it. As has been noted, if the Premier League might even be invested in their teams fudging rules to continue amassing talent and attention, there doesn't seem like much of a chance it will happen. Salary caps generally (but not always) work wonders in US leagues, but they also have zero competition for talent.

Football is just a weird sport to follow. Arsenal is a massive, massive club and they spend an enormous amount of money, and for the better part of two decades now it's felt like even they don't even have the resources to compete. When it's gotten to that point, something seems fundamentally broken.


And then you watch the FA cup or Leicester win the league or Brighton/West Ham challenge for Europe.


The FA Cup is a single-elimination tournament. Anything can happen in any given game, just like last weekend where for one afternoon second-to-last Everton was better than first-place Arsenal. You see the same thing every year in the NCAA hoops tournament, which is why it’s so massively popular — especially with gamblers. Play that match 38 times for a full league season and Arsenal beats them by 20 or 30 points at a minimum.

And that’s exactly why the Leicester title was so mind-boggling: it was quite literally a once-in-a-lifetime event. I don’t have encyclopedic knowledge of European football, but since the money started really pouring in and the leagues stratified, how often has an upset like that happened? And how often can you count on that happening? Way, way, way, way more often than not, it’s going to be the same small group of elite wealthy clubs contending.

Every sport around the world has its flaws, independent of the raw entertainment value itself of sitting down to watch single games (which is obviously high in this instance or none of us would be here), and that is football’s: your ability to realistically contend for the league basically comes down to how much money you have. That’s hardly a controversial statement. I’ve been reading serious complaints about this for 20-plus years now, much of it coming from your country.
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Post#884 » by HIF » Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:05 pm

Leicester spurs - what an incredible first half. We know leicester can lose a 2 goal lead in injury time but Baph must be wondering what's happened to his Man city beating team today. Kelechi Iheanacho has refound his confidence.
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Post#885 » by Baphomet » Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:33 pm

HIF wrote:Leicester spurs - what an incredible first half. We know leicester can lose a 2 goal lead in injury time but Baph must be wondering what's happened to his Man city beating team today. Kelechi Iheanacho has refound his confidence.


Bit of a nightmare game for us with Bentancur getting injured too, but Leicester have been superb and it's been a bit of a battering. But beating City and then getting smashed the next game sums this team up, good teams can do it every week - Spurs can't.

On the plus side at least you can enjoy this Saturday evening too. :lol:
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Post#886 » by Baphomet » Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:51 pm

Embarrassing, ****, useless, etc.

Well played Leicester, gave these twats a good beating.
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Post#887 » by Baphomet » Sat Feb 11, 2023 5:05 pm

Meanwhile Arsenal drop points again, nerves creeping in?
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Post#888 » by Sedale Threatt » Sat Feb 11, 2023 5:17 pm

They were lucky to even draw. Three straight crap performances. I blame those African dudes with their championship procession after the United win.
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Post#889 » by MaliBrah » Sat Feb 11, 2023 9:56 pm

Baphomet wrote:Meanwhile Arsenal drop points again, nerves creeping in?

Don't even think its nerves man , it's just a systemic problem right now. Teams are doubling up on both wingers making life really hard for them and playing really compact and our fullbacks , Xhaka , and Nketiah just aren't doing enough to make a difference. We need a tweak how we play in these situations. Hopefully we can get Jesus back soon , his ability to dribble and create space by going out wide and letting Xhaka and Martinelli run into his spaces has been sorely missed. Zinchenko being this CM/LB hybrid basically in the same spaces as Xhaka when teams are in a low/mid block is just killing us. No solutions and that's looking like the blueprint and its planting seeds of doubt. Hopefully they bounce back mid week against City
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Post#890 » by MaliBrah » Sat Feb 11, 2023 9:58 pm

Ben Mee cleared the ball and headed it today and zero contact was made with his head. He wasted like 5 minutes feigning a head injury. I badly miss Qatar 2022. The PL has to tackle time wasting man. It's always 5 minutes no matter what happens.
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Post#891 » by MaliBrah » Sat Feb 11, 2023 11:09 pm

Genuinely a shocking weekend for officials and VAR too eh. Sheesh
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Post#892 » by Sedale Threatt » Sun Feb 12, 2023 12:18 am

Looks like they might have blown an offsides on the equalizer, but frankly it doesn't even bother me given how poorly Arsenal played. They were dead-ass lucky not to be down 2-0 in the first half, and possibly 3-0 given an extremely questionable foul on a breakaway that probably shouldn't have been given. (I think it was on Toney, who kicked Saliba's ass all day.) The "defending" on the equalizer was amateurish. Brentford won the xG battle too, at which point you don't have anyone to blame but yourself.

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Post#893 » by Mamba81p » Sun Feb 12, 2023 5:47 am

Making mistakes like this with VAR, should be a fireable offense. What is the excuse? This can have massive ramifications in the end.
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Post#894 » by HIF » Sun Feb 12, 2023 9:04 am

Mamba81p wrote:Making mistakes like this with VAR, should be a fireable offense. What is the excuse? This can have massive ramifications in the end.


I honestly believe that English refs are attempting to kill VAR and get complete control back in their own hands. We need an independent body doing the VAR.

A rule change for offside should now be introduced too. In the days of inaccurately placed linesmen and the inability to watch both when the ball is kicked and where the players are at the same time, the rule was understandable. Now a clear offside of a foot or something would be a better ruling.
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Post#895 » by Baphomet » Sun Feb 12, 2023 8:09 pm

United and City both win. If City beat Arsenal midweek, things could start getting hairy for them.

City looked a lot stronger today with Ruben Dias, Laporte, De Bruyne and Gundogan all starting.
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Post#896 » by Shaazzam » Sun Feb 12, 2023 8:19 pm

Licha immediately settled stuff down with is passing when he came on and Shaw is superior to Malacia at LB.

Maguire is so so ****. So bad on the ball and he can't pass. Having him behind Fred just spells **** doom for United. One more game for Casemiro. Can't wait till he's back.
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Post#897 » by HIF » Mon Feb 13, 2023 2:15 pm

Shaazzam wrote:Licha immediately settled stuff down with is passing when he came on and Shaw is superior to Malacia at LB.

Maguire is so so ****. So bad on the ball and he can't pass. Having him behind Fred just spells **** doom for United. One more game for Casemiro. Can't wait till he's back.


I'd still take Maguire back in a heartbeat. He is actually good on the ball and commanding in the air. The Man U experience was just unfortunate and coincided with poor Manchester management.
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Post#898 » by MaliBrah » Mon Feb 13, 2023 4:09 pm

Baphomet wrote:United and City both win. If City beat Arsenal midweek, things could start getting hairy for them.

City looked a lot stronger today with Ruben Dias, Laporte, De Bruyne and Gundogan all starting.

Yeah i'm worried pep is starting to get serious , I wanted to see Rico Lewis and Akanji against us looool
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Post#899 » by wco81 » Tue Feb 14, 2023 3:13 am

Just saw on ESPN scrawl that some VAR official named Brooks is being pulled off two games he was to have worked this week.

Apparently this official made a mistake on a possible offsides call which led to a draw. Presumably that was the Arsenal- Brenford match.
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Post#900 » by Sedale Threatt » Tue Feb 14, 2023 3:24 am

He's made a couple of big mistakes. Also blew a VAR call against Arsenal-United earlier in the season. I have to say, I'm a huge no-excuses person and don't think Arsenal deserved to win that match -- see previous post on that -- but that level of incompetence is pretty hard to swallow. Until they get robot or AI officials, there's nothing you can do to completely avoid basic human error and you just have to live with it. You only hope you don't get completely f'd in a huge moment, like the Saints did a few years ago by that utterly insane missed PI against the Rams with a trip to the Super Bowl on the line.

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