Poll: Public sees MJ as GOAT

[xAIRNESSx]

Is this surprising to people? Most NBA historians view Jordan as the goat. Put a poll up on this board and it reaffirms that.

[OriginalRed]

Lebron is not the goat..people did not fear Bron like they feared MJ

MJ wouldve also been the scoring leader if he didnt miss so many years

The fact that he missed so many years and still has 2 more chips than Bron says everything you need to know

Brons disney ring doesnt count btw. Mj low key has a 3 ring advantage over him

Jordan couldn’t win a playoff series without pippen . Lebron took a team whose second best player was named boobie to the finals

There's a big difference between couldn't and didn't.

Jordan played 15 seasons, 10 of those were with Pippen and of the five that he didn't, three of them were his first three years in the league with rosters full of crack heads and journeymen going up against all time great teams and the other two were his last two on the Wizards where he actually had them projected to make the playoffs before he got hurt and was effectively done as a impactful player.

[Joker]

It's funny how you'll find posters here who blabber about many casuals voting and that their oppinion shouldn't matter, or that majority is not well informed, but when we discuss how broken the 3pt spamming and no defense game we have now really is, then they allude to how popular the game has been these years and that this proves there is nothing wrong with it, suddenly casuals matter a lot!

Is this the "these are the same people who..." argument that is repeatedly used on message boards?

You realize it could be one person talking about casuals not mattering and a different person talking about casuals mattering right?

[jc23]

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[VanWest82]

Mike is the GOAT but I do wonder how much likeability plays into it. Anyone notice Lebron got booed at the Superbowl even though he'd just broken the scoring record? Granted, it was in AZ but I don't think Mike gets booed in that spot and he knocked off the best Suns team we've ever seen. Kareem suffers from general lack of likeability as well in these polls.

[dhsilv2]

You are 100% right....MJ is like George Washington as a president...more legendary to everyone in America and not many people could quote a single thing he did besides be the greatest president

Got me thinking about this from the wire.

Damn - dude was too soft for the game and paid for it

Too much stringer, not enough avon.

[Norm2953]

I would agree with MJ as GOAT but if Lebron had the internal drive that both MJ and Kobe had,
he'd be #1 for no question, Lebron had the best physical tools

[Pharmcat]

Lebron is not the goat..people did not fear Bron like they feared MJ

MJ wouldve also been the scoring leader if he didnt miss so many years

The fact that he missed so many years and still has 2 more chips than Bron says everything you need to know

Brons disney ring doesnt count btw. Mj low key has a 3 ring advantage over him

Jordan couldn’t win a playoff series without pippen . Lebron took a team whose second best player was named boobie to the finals

There's a big difference between couldn't and didn't.

Jordan played 15 seasons, 10 of those were with Pippen and of the five that he didn't, three of them were his first three years in the league with rosters full of crack heads and journeymen going up against all time great teams and the other two were his last two on the Wizards where he actually had them projected to make the playoffs before he got hurt and was effectively done as a impactful player.

that’s still just another way of saying he never won in the playoffs without pippen.

[holdenwait]

it'll never change tbh, MJ is untouchable

[dhsilv2]

Lebron is not the goat..people did not fear Bron like they feared MJ

MJ wouldve also been the scoring leader if he didnt miss so many years

The fact that he missed so many years and still has 2 more chips than Bron says everything you need to know

Brons disney ring doesnt count btw. Mj low key has a 3 ring advantage over him

Jordan couldn’t win a playoff series without pippen . Lebron took a team whose second best player was named boobie to the finals

There's a big difference between couldn't and didn't.

Jordan played 15 seasons, 10 of those were with Pippen and of the five that he didn't, three of them were his first three years in the league with rosters full of crack heads and journeymen going up against all time great teams and the other two were his last two on the Wizards where he actually had them projected to make the playoffs before he got hurt and was effectively done as a impactful player.

I mean I'm sure he had some bumps, but jordan played all 82 in 2003. And in 2002 they were hardly a clear playoff team when he played. They were a game over 500...

[OriginalRed]

Jordan couldn’t win a playoff series without pippen . Lebron took a team whose second best player was named boobie to the finals

There's a big difference between couldn't and didn't.

Jordan played 15 seasons, 10 of those were with Pippen and of the five that he didn't, three of them were his first three years in the league with rosters full of crack heads and journeymen going up against all time great teams and the other two were his last two on the Wizards where he actually had them projected to make the playoffs before he got hurt and was effectively done as a impactful player.

that’s still just another way of saying he never won in the playoffs without pippen.

Sure, if you completely ignore the context/reasoning behind why he didn't and just take that statement at face value. But that's normal for Lebron stans when they selectively use these kinds of arguments against Jordan to prop up Lebron.

[ChaseDown]

There's a big difference between couldn't and didn't.

Jordan played 15 seasons, 10 of those were with Pippen and of the five that he didn't, three of them were his first three years in the league with rosters full of crack heads and journeymen going up against all time great teams and the other two were his last two on the Wizards where he actually had them projected to make the playoffs before he got hurt and was effectively done as a impactful player.

that’s still just another way of saying he never won in the playoffs without pippen.

Sure, if you completely ignore the context/reasoning behind why he didn't and just take that statement at face value. But that's normal for Lebron stans when they selectively use these kinds of arguments against Jordan to prop up Lebron.

Do you mind providing the context/reasoning behind it? I’m genuinely curious as I’ve seen this point of Jordan losing in the playoffs, but why?

[Pelon chingon]

The debate was over when Dirk ran the fade on the heatles and then finally the dagger when the spurs snuffed them. That would never happen to his airness.

[eskis]

Jordan made a better Space jam there fore he is the Goat

[OriginalRed]

that’s still just another way of saying he never won in the playoffs without pippen.

Sure, if you completely ignore the context/reasoning behind why he didn't and just take that statement at face value. But that's normal for Lebron stans when they selectively use these kinds of arguments against Jordan to prop up Lebron.

Do you mind providing the context/reasoning behind it? I’m genuinely curious as I’ve seen this point of Jordan losing in the playoffs, but why?

Because he played against great teams in a stacked conference with virtually no help despite putting up eye popping numbers. Just look up all the teams the Bulls played in Round 1 and then look at the roster he had to see why he kept losing before Pippen came. Hell even when Pippen got there, he wasn't some instant impact player people make him out to be (he didn't even start lol) as it took a few years before Pippen came into his own as a star.

[HEKTOR]

Lebron just doesn't win enough to be the GOAT.

[MavsDirk41]

Lebron is not the goat..people did not fear Bron like they feared MJ

MJ wouldve also been the scoring leader if he didnt miss so many years

The fact that he missed so many years and still has 2 more chips than Bron says everything you need to know

Brons disney ring doesnt count btw. Mj low key has a 3 ring advantage over him

Jordan couldn’t win a playoff series without pippen . Lebron took a team whose second best player was named boobie to the finals

And James got beat and outplayed by Dirk with Wade and Bosh as his teammates

[MavsDirk41]

Lebron will eventually be considered the consensus GOAT. I'm pretty sure even most people who swear by MJ know this deep down and this is why everyone has been getting so defensive about it lately.

Umm ok lol. Deep down inside i can say lebron james isnt the greatest player ive ever seen in my 30 plus years of watching the nba but go ahead and keep telling yourself that

[Pharmcat]

Lebron is not the goat..people did not fear Bron like they feared MJ

MJ wouldve also been the scoring leader if he didnt miss so many years

The fact that he missed so many years and still has 2 more chips than Bron says everything you need to know

Brons disney ring doesnt count btw. Mj low key has a 3 ring advantage over him

Jordan couldn’t win a playoff series without pippen . Lebron took a team whose second best player was named boobie to the finals

And James got beat and outplayed by Dirk with Wade and Bosh as his teammates

At least he was able to get there lol . Don’t think that argument works in this instance

[MavsDirk41]

Jordan couldn’t win a playoff series without pippen . Lebron took a team whose second best player was named boobie to the finals

And James got beat and outplayed by Dirk with Wade and Bosh as his teammates

At least he was able to get there lol . Don’t think that argument works in this instance

And when Jordan lost to the Celtics and Bad Boy Pistons it wasnt because he was a no show. He still balled out. Miami lost cause James didnt play well. Wade outplayed James. Jordan was always the best player on his team, especially on the big stage. Cant say that about James.