GT: Charlotte vs Spurs 2/15 7PM

[bravor]

I want the guaranteed top 5 pick that last place will give us.

Real question, if we lose every game from here on out are you happy?

You know a lot of people around (not necessary here, right) could return you the favor. Is it Charlotte's interest to win games against tanking teams Are we realy happy to win against Houston and SA this year (or any other team with bad ranking) ?
You know, you could go post on trade section and add a poll, i would gladly discuss the results.

Everyone in the freaking universe knows this is dumb, and there is absolutely no justification (unless the nba really adress the embarrassing tanking from texan teams, but we all know that won't happen). Just check game percentage and pls tell me "eh, both teams played hard"

At this rate you are not even sure to finish in the top 4. But yeah, this is under control.

At some point i wonder if some people don't have the team they deserve. Untill that team is gone.

[amcoolio]

I want the guaranteed top 5 pick that last place will give us.

Real question, if we lose every game from here on out are you happy?

I have this problem with Panthers fans on the huddle a lot. In the grand scheme of things, no one gives a **** if the 22-23 Hornets finish 30-52 or 20-62. No one is going to care more than 2 days after the season ends. Certainly not 5 or 10 years from now.

Likewise, who gives a **** that the Panthers went 7-10 this year. No one is going to cherish this 2022-23 Panther season. Could have finished 4-13 and it wouldn't make a difference in the legacy of the Panthers

In bad seasons like this it is best just to enjoy player development and accomplishments than care about wins. Both the Panthers and Hornets have a tendency to start winning games once they are out of the playoff race, tank their draft position and claim "we finished strong!" in end of season press conferences. That is why both franchises have historically bad winning percentages and in the Hornets case zero playoff series wins....just no common sense

[Hornet Mania]

I don't really care if we finish in last place or not, bottom four is good (bad) enough. Currently hold a 7.5 game lead on Orlando for that spot.

This draft is weak after the top two, it's not like we're getting a stud with the fifth pick. It's Wemby/Scoot or bust, and the difference in odds between last and fourth-from-last is 4% for top four and 1.5% for first pick.

And for the record I actually will remember the 2022 Panthers season fondly. It was fantastic to watch the guys rally around Steve Wilks after it had been a clown show for the entire Rhule tenure. If Jaycee Horn doesn't get injured in week 16 they beat Tampa and make the playoffs.

[JMAC3]

Yeah, the team is 2-7 over there last 9 games. I don't think we are winning at too high of a clip to mess up the tank. You are saying who will remember the team losing 5 years from now? idk, the guys playing the games? You don't think they want to win games? Play well? So yeah, losing to the worst team in the league in the Spurs would be mentally tough for the players.

If you want to celebrate player development, then you are going to win games if guys play well. Like PJ, Mark and McGowens.. you can't really tell them to play well for 3 quarters and then go out and lose games on purpose in the 4th quarter.

Real question are you guys still watching games this year? I ask because 1. game threads suck this year. Seems like overall less people are watching. 2. I can't watch the game and root for the team to lose, I am never going to be rooting for LaMelo to miss a three or the other team to make a 3. Am I heartbroken if we lose? not at all... but I am always going to want to see our guys making plays that give us a Win.

[SWedd523]

I want the guaranteed top 5 pick that last place will give us.

Real question, if we lose every game from here on out are you happy?

I have this problem with Panthers fans on the huddle a lot. In the grand scheme of things, no one gives a **** if the 22-23 Hornets finish 30-52 or 20-62. No one is going to care more than 2 days after the season ends. Certainly not 5 or 10 years from now.

Likewise, who gives a **** that the Panthers went 7-10 this year. No one is going to cherish this 2022-23 Panther season. Could have finished 4-13 and it wouldn't make a difference in the legacy of the Panthers

It's best just to enjoy player development and accomplishments than care about wins. Both the Panthers and Hornets have a tendency to start winning games once they are out of the playoff race, tank their draft position and claim "we finished strong!" in end of season press conferences. That is why both franchises have historically bad winning percentages and in the Hornets case zero playoff series wins....just no common sense

Agreed across the board.

The Panthers reward for moral victories? Missing out on the top QBs or leveraging multiple picks in order to move up. Or they can spend a ton of money/picks to trade for the Carrs and Jacksons of the world.

It's the Charlotte way.

Rather have moral victories than playoff victories

[LofJ]

Losing a few more games to increase our lottery odds by a measley 4% isn't worth much. The NBA isn't the NFL, the lottery makes the draft a game of luck. I agree when it comes to the Panthers stupidly winning games at the end of the season, but the same logic doesn't apply to the Hornets.

We got lucky and moved up for LaMelo, if we get Wembanyama or Scoot it will be because we got lucky again.

[SWedd523]

Losing a few more games to increase our lottery odds by a measley 4% isn't worth much. The NBA isn't the NFL, the lottery makes the draft a game of luck. I agree when it comes to the Panthers stupidly winning games at the end of the season, but the same logic doesn't apply to the Hornets.

We got lucky and moved up for LaMelo, if we get Wembanyama or Scoot it will be because we got lucky again.

Worst three teams have equal odds to the top pick.

And while the 4th worst "only" being 4% lower odds of a top 2 pick, they can also fall as low as 8, whereas the worst record is guaranteed a top 5.

I'd argue the difference between 3rd and 4th worst is bigger than 1st and 3rd

[JMAC3]

Agree the Panthers and Hornets situations are wayyy different. 1 win matters a lot more in NFL than it does in NBA.

But I suppose your'e right. If 4 teams outside the top 4 jump into the top spots meaning none of the 4 teams with the best odds are selected we could pick 8th instead of 5th. Seems like a pretty low odds of happening.

Either way we need to have luck to be top 2, and the luck doesn't really get affected much whether we are worst or 4th worst.

[Hornet Mania]

Agree the Panthers and Hornets situations are wayyy different. 1 win matters a lot more in NFL than it does in NBA.

But I suppose your'e right. If 4 teams outside the top 4 jump into the top spots meaning none of the 4 teams with the best odds are selected we could pick 8th instead of 5th. Seems like a pretty low odds of happening.

Either way we need to have luck to be top 2, and the luck doesn't really get affected much whether we are worst or 4th worst.

Exactly. 5th pick is just a Thompson twin anyway, and they both look like massive busts. Is there some great prospect at 5 we won't get at 8? I suppose it's always nice to have that choice, but it doesn't seem like this is a loaded draft with obvious blue chippers at pick 3-5. Best player outside the top two is going to be random and likely a bit down the board, like Haliburton.

[Braggins]

Clifford putting Mark Williams in Greensboro for 40% of this season might be the whackiest move of his Charlotte career.

Who cares, he is playing well now

I care about whether the coach makes sensible decisions...

It was bad from a developmental perspective, but its also clear that Mark is one of the better players on the team already and Clifford was choosing to not have him in the rotation specifically because he believed it increased the teams chances of winning, which is obviously absurd. They aren't going to be tanking forever, so beyond this year it obviously matters if they have a coach capable of making sound decisions that put the team in the best position to win, which Clifford has thoroughly proven he isn't.

I'm not going to get into a big argument about this. If you still thinks Clifford is a good coach I don't really know what to tell you and don't really care tbh, but this attitude of acting like it doesn't matter and no one should care if the front office and coach constantly make bad decisions is really getting tiresome...

[JMAC3]

Clifford putting Mark Williams in Greensboro for 40% of this season might be the whackiest move of his Charlotte career.

Who cares, he is playing well now

I care about whether the coach makes sensible decisions...

It was bad from a developmental perspective, but its also clear that Mark is one of the better players on the team already and Clifford was choosing to not have him in the rotation specifically because he believed it increased the teams chances of winning, which is obviously absurd. They aren't going to be tanking forever, so beyond this year it obviously matters if they have a coach capable of making sound decisions that put the team in the best position to win, which Clifford has thoroughly proven he isn't.

I'm not going to get into a big argument about this. If you still thinks Clifford is a good coach I don't really know what to tell you and don't really care tbh, but this attitude of acting like it doesn't matter and no one should care if the front office and coach constantly make bad decisions is really getting tiresome...

Do you watch college basketball? If a freshman doesn't play much his first year, but in his second year he is a contributor does that mean the coach was dumb to not play him right away?

If you watched summer league, preseason... it was pretty clear Mark was not ready to play in the NBA day 1. He looked below average in those games. If you are assuming that him playing 20 games in the gleague had no impact on him improving then idk what to tell you and I dont really care tbh, but this attitude that you know better than the front office and coaching staff that saw him practice everyday is getting tiresome....

[yosemiteben]

At this point Mark Williams feels like a development success story to me but to each his own