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grumpysaddle wrote:darmani wrote:
It will be like pennies for normal humans after he got that multi-billion dollar amount as punishment for being a terrible person/owner. It would be cool to get $20k, but thinking this is anything but a tax write-off for Sarver is naive.
KLEON wrote:POLI wrote:Bridges is a good player. Even very good. But he is not that gifted. Someone has to shoot 25 times in the Nets now and he is the only one who can fabricate his own shots from good places.
I am not taking anything away from him, but 45 in a Nets uniform with Cam, Finney-Smith, Claxton, Simmons, etc is not that good.
I just love how some of you ppl are getting in your little cheapshots at Bridges since he got traded. Saw someone saying he was a big distraction to D.A now this crap about him not being that good. Just be happy that he's playing well. He's been one of our best players and our best player when Book and CP were out. He's showing that he can be one of the best 2 way players in the league and I wish nothing but success for Bridges.
bwgood77 wrote:grumpysaddle wrote:darmani wrote:
It will be like pennies for normal humans after he got that multi-billion dollar amount as punishment for being a terrible person/owner. It would be cool to get $20k, but thinking this is anything but a tax write-off for Sarver is naive.
$20K would be very nice and $5 million to charity is great. He didn't have to do anything. Sure he can deduct it from taxes but it's not like you are saving money overall.
bwgood77 wrote:grumpysaddle wrote:darmani wrote:
It will be like pennies for normal humans after he got that multi-billion dollar amount as punishment for being a terrible person/owner. It would be cool to get $20k, but thinking this is anything but a tax write-off for Sarver is naive.
$20K would be very nice and $5 million to charity is great. He didn't have to do anything. Sure he can deduct it from taxes but it's not like you are saving money overall.
lilfishi22 wrote:grumpysaddle wrote:KLEON wrote:
You saw me throw a "cheap shot" because your reading comprehension is lacking. He's one of my favorite players, but learning FROM kevin durant, instead of learning WITH Mikal Bridges is a huge difference for a player that is as impressionable as DA. I stated that Bridges isn't the most serious of players all the time, but that doesn't mean he isn't great. Some players can joke around and keep things light and still be a great player. DA is not one of those players. My point was Kevin Durant is far more serious of a person, and that is something DA needs. He will be more focused moving forward, IMO, but way to put words in my mouth.
I think it's the way you worded it. Sounded like you're saying DA isn't serious (which affects his game) *because* Mikal isn't the most serious guy. I think that's taking blame and personal responsibility away from DA when he lacked focus in games and unfairly attributing that blame to Mikal.
You can certainly suggest Durant's seriousness will be infectious, as is CP3's but to drop Mikal in there is BS
grumpysaddle wrote:KLEON wrote:grumpysaddle wrote:Lol, wut? I blame DA himself for his own downsides constantly. I wouldn't have said this if the trade never happened because there would be no reason to say it. You need to work on reading comprehension.
Your name really explains your personality
Have you seen me posting? It's usually animated gif reactions. You obviously need to work on your reading comprehension, since this is obviously the first time you've read my name along with my post.
Now back to barf.gifs, but this time in your honor.
Slim Charless wrote:bwgood77 wrote:grumpysaddle wrote:It will be like pennies for normal humans after he got that multi-billion dollar amount as punishment for being a terrible person/owner. It would be cool to get $20k, but thinking this is anything but a tax write-off for Sarver is naive.
$20K would be very nice and $5 million to charity is great. He didn't have to do anything. Sure he can deduct it from taxes but it's not like you are saving money overall.
I find it very hard to believe that the Robert Sarver we've grown to know and love would ever do anything like this. He seems like the kind of boss that would try and get employees to work off the clock and to avoid paying any commissions marketing and sales people might've earned.
Slim Charless wrote:KLEON wrote:POLI wrote:Bridges is a good player. Even very good. But he is not that gifted. Someone has to shoot 25 times in the Nets now and he is the only one who can fabricate his own shots from good places.
I am not taking anything away from him, but 45 in a Nets uniform with Cam, Finney-Smith, Claxton, Simmons, etc is not that good.
"January 14th and 22 is still with the team"
"January 15th and 22 is still with the team"
"January 16th and 22 is still with the team"
Sound familiar?
You can take your high horse and....ride off somewhere else with it. He said nothing wrong and if you wanna hop on over to the Nets forum, you can.
lilfishi22 wrote:grumpysaddle wrote:KLEON wrote:
You saw me throw a "cheap shot" because your reading comprehension is lacking. He's one of my favorite players, but learning FROM kevin durant, instead of learning WITH Mikal Bridges is a huge difference for a player that is as impressionable as DA. I stated that Bridges isn't the most serious of players all the time, but that doesn't mean he isn't great. Some players can joke around and keep things light and still be a great player. DA is not one of those players. My point was Kevin Durant is far more serious of a person, and that is something DA needs. He will be more focused moving forward, IMO, but way to put words in my mouth.
I think it's the way you worded it. Sounded like you're saying DA isn't serious (which affects his game) *because* Mikal isn't the most serious guy. I think that's taking blame and personal responsibility away from DA when he lacked focus in games and unfairly attributing that blame to Mikal.
You can certainly suggest Durant's seriousness will be infectious, as is CP3's but to drop Mikal in there is BS
grumpysaddle wrote:Slim Charless wrote:bwgood77 wrote:
$20K would be very nice and $5 million to charity is great. He didn't have to do anything. Sure he can deduct it from taxes but it's not like you are saving money overall.
I find it very hard to believe that the Robert Sarver we've grown to know and love would ever do anything like this. He seems like the kind of boss that would try and get employees to work off the clock and to avoid paying any commissions marketing and sales people might've earned.
Hence the tax write-off angle I have. He just made a ton of money off the sale, I'm sure he's got sleazy tax people to find loopholes to get out of paying taxes, like "charity donations". Rich people tax world is different than us plebians.
Slim Charless wrote:grumpysaddle wrote:Slim Charless wrote:
I find it very hard to believe that the Robert Sarver we've grown to know and love would ever do anything like this. He seems like the kind of boss that would try and get employees to work off the clock and to avoid paying any commissions marketing and sales people might've earned.
Hence the tax write-off angle I have. He just made a ton of money off the sale, I'm sure he's got sleazy tax people to find loopholes to get out of paying taxes, like "charity donations". Rich people tax world is different than us plebians.
1000%
You ever want to see a good movie that shows just a small window into what kinds of things they do go watch "The Laundromat" on Netflix. They tried to have it removed and were successful for awhile but I think it's back on there. Meryl Streep-who's done a movie or 2 said that she had to take a couple of shots to do her scenes as she was shook from doing a movie like that...
grumpysaddle wrote:lilfishi22 wrote:grumpysaddle wrote:You saw me throw a "cheap shot" because your reading comprehension is lacking. He's one of my favorite players, but learning FROM kevin durant, instead of learning WITH Mikal Bridges is a huge difference for a player that is as impressionable as DA. I stated that Bridges isn't the most serious of players all the time, but that doesn't mean he isn't great. Some players can joke around and keep things light and still be a great player. DA is not one of those players. My point was Kevin Durant is far more serious of a person, and that is something DA needs. He will be more focused moving forward, IMO, but way to put words in my mouth.
I think it's the way you worded it. Sounded like you're saying DA isn't serious (which affects his game) *because* Mikal isn't the most serious guy. I think that's taking blame and personal responsibility away from DA when he lacked focus in games and unfairly attributing that blame to Mikal.
You can certainly suggest Durant's seriousness will be infectious, as is CP3's but to drop Mikal in there is BS
The point of dropping Mikal's name in there is because it wouldn't have been a thought if the trade didn't happen and Durant didn't come. I'd have no reason to think it, but I watched the game on Tuesday and something about DA felt different. It's not taking blame off Ayton for his inadequacies. Some people need to be around certain types of other people to really flourish. I think KD can unlock that part of Ayton more than Mikal did, which isn't saying Mikal isn't a great player (or that I really miss him and have watched him play on the Nets each game since he's been traded).
grumpysaddle wrote:Slim Charless wrote:bwgood77 wrote:
$20K would be very nice and $5 million to charity is great. He didn't have to do anything. Sure he can deduct it from taxes but it's not like you are saving money overall.
I find it very hard to believe that the Robert Sarver we've grown to know and love would ever do anything like this. He seems like the kind of boss that would try and get employees to work off the clock and to avoid paying any commissions marketing and sales people might've earned.
Hence the tax write-off angle I have. He just made a ton of money off the sale, I'm sure he's got sleazy tax people to find loopholes to get out of paying taxes, like "charity donations". Rich people tax world is different than us plebians.
lilfishi22 wrote:grumpysaddle wrote:lilfishi22 wrote:I think it's the way you worded it. Sounded like you're saying DA isn't serious (which affects his game) *because* Mikal isn't the most serious guy. I think that's taking blame and personal responsibility away from DA when he lacked focus in games and unfairly attributing that blame to Mikal.
You can certainly suggest Durant's seriousness will be infectious, as is CP3's but to drop Mikal in there is BS
The point of dropping Mikal's name in there is because it wouldn't have been a thought if the trade didn't happen and Durant didn't come. I'd have no reason to think it, but I watched the game on Tuesday and something about DA felt different. It's not taking blame off Ayton for his inadequacies. Some people need to be around certain types of other people to really flourish. I think KD can unlock that part of Ayton more than Mikal did, which isn't saying Mikal isn't a great player (or that I really miss him and have watched him play on the Nets each game since he's been traded).
I just disagree with the suggestion that Mikal has anything to do with DA's lack of focus. I also don't think anything was different. It's just another one of DA's games where's just he's locked in and looks like an all-NBA player, something he's done numerous teams (with Mikal on the court). I think you're equating correlation (Mikal being traded + DA having a good game) with causation (no Mikal = focused and impactful DA).
I do agree KD will have an impact on DA's game, as he will with most players on the Suns roster. Mikal doesn't have that ability but it isn't because of his "lack of seriousness"
grumpysaddle wrote:Slim Charless wrote:grumpysaddle wrote:Hence the tax write-off angle I have. He just made a ton of money off the sale, I'm sure he's got sleazy tax people to find loopholes to get out of paying taxes, like "charity donations". Rich people tax world is different than us plebians.
1000%
You ever want to see a good movie that shows just a small window into what kinds of things they do go watch "The Laundromat" on Netflix. They tried to have it removed and were successful for awhile but I think it's back on there. Meryl Streep-who's done a movie or 2 said that she had to take a couple of shots to do her scenes as she was shook from doing a movie like that...
I don't have to watch anything about it, it makes me super mad already. Fricking orange doofus paid $750 in taxes for a year while boasting being a billionaire while I paid like 20% of my gross income (more than $750). I bought a book before the pandemic about rich person philanthropy but I can't read it cause it makes me too mad. So tired of normal humans praising billionaires for giving a scrap to the lowly poor.
Even if Sarver donates $20k to 225 workers, that's still only $4.5 million. Then add the $5 million donations and it's 9.5 million total. Say he made an even 1 billion off the sale (i think he made closer to 2 in reality). That's something like... 0.09% of his total wealth (closer to 0.04% if he made 2 billion). I'm not impressed.
grumpysaddle wrote:Slim Charless wrote:grumpysaddle wrote:Hence the tax write-off angle I have. He just made a ton of money off the sale, I'm sure he's got sleazy tax people to find loopholes to get out of paying taxes, like "charity donations". Rich people tax world is different than us plebians.
1000%
You ever want to see a good movie that shows just a small window into what kinds of things they do go watch "The Laundromat" on Netflix. They tried to have it removed and were successful for awhile but I think it's back on there. Meryl Streep-who's done a movie or 2 said that she had to take a couple of shots to do her scenes as she was shook from doing a movie like that...
I don't have to watch anything about it, it makes me super mad already. Fricking orange doofus paid $750 in taxes for a year while boasting being a billionaire while I paid like 20% of my gross income (more than $750). I bought a book before the pandemic about rich person philanthropy but I can't read it cause it makes me too mad. So tired of normal humans praising billionaires for giving a scrap to the lowly poor.
Even if Sarver donates $20k to 225 workers, that's still only $4.5 million. Then add the $5 million donations and it's 9.5 million total. Say he made an even 1 billion off the sale (i think he made closer to 2 in reality). That's something like... 0.09% of his total wealth (closer to 0.04% if he made 2 billion). I'm not impressed.
bwgood77 wrote:grumpysaddle wrote:Slim Charless wrote:
I find it very hard to believe that the Robert Sarver we've grown to know and love would ever do anything like this. He seems like the kind of boss that would try and get employees to work off the clock and to avoid paying any commissions marketing and sales people might've earned.
Hence the tax write-off angle I have. He just made a ton of money off the sale, I'm sure he's got sleazy tax people to find loopholes to get out of paying taxes, like "charity donations". Rich people tax world is different than us plebians.
Sure you get tax deductions and save taxes, but if you give $5 million to a charity and are in the 35% tax bracket or whatever, you are only getting a deduction of $1.75 million. While you can look at that as a nice tax deduction (or write off as you call it), but you are still paying out $5 million, so you are still out $3.25 million overall. You are reducing your income by that much (and the bonuses) and only reducing your taxes by 35% of that. I'm not a fan of Sarver, but it's a nice gesture and he's reducing his money, not saving money overall doing it.
bwgood77 wrote:grumpysaddle wrote:Slim Charless wrote:
I find it very hard to believe that the Robert Sarver we've grown to know and love would ever do anything like this. He seems like the kind of boss that would try and get employees to work off the clock and to avoid paying any commissions marketing and sales people might've earned.
Hence the tax write-off angle I have. He just made a ton of money off the sale, I'm sure he's got sleazy tax people to find loopholes to get out of paying taxes, like "charity donations". Rich people tax world is different than us plebians.
Sure you get tax deductions and save taxes, but if you give $5 million to a charity and are in the 35% tax bracket or whatever, you are only getting a deduction of $1.75 million. While you can look at that as a nice tax deduction (or write off as you call it), but you are still paying out $5 million, so you are still out $3.25 million overall. You are reducing your income by that much (and the bonuses) and only reducing your taxes by 35% of that. I'm not a fan of Sarver, but it's a nice gesture and he's reducing his money, not saving money overall doing it.
bigfoot wrote:bwgood77 wrote:grumpysaddle wrote:Hence the tax write-off angle I have. He just made a ton of money off the sale, I'm sure he's got sleazy tax people to find loopholes to get out of paying taxes, like "charity donations". Rich people tax world is different than us plebians.
Sure you get tax deductions and save taxes, but if you give $5 million to a charity and are in the 35% tax bracket or whatever, you are only getting a deduction of $1.75 million. While you can look at that as a nice tax deduction (or write off as you call it), but you are still paying out $5 million, so you are still out $3.25 million overall. You are reducing your income by that much (and the bonuses) and only reducing your taxes by 35% of that. I'm not a fan of Sarver, but it's a nice gesture and he's reducing his money, not saving money overall doing it.
Hmmm ... Sarver was just using the Suns as a massive write-off for his other businesses. Almost surely the Suns' financial sheets showed major losses and he used that to lower his income taxes on profits from his other businesses. He's probably in the 12% overall bracket.