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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#101 » by Psubs » Tue Feb 21, 2023 3:11 am

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Psubs wrote:Jarace Walker has cooled off the last 3 games. Maybe he falls into the teens?

I wonder if the Thompson Twins test well but decline 3 on 3 and 5 on 5 scrimmages to not get exposed?


Been saying this for a while. I honestly fully expect the Thompson twins to kill the drills, combine and private workouts but I can't see them agreeing to any kind of scrimmage.


Also they are 20 year olds that went the weak competition route to not get exposed like Brandon Boston and Emoni Bates. If those 2 would've just played with overtime elite and put up numbers they would've been gambled on by some team in the lottery.
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Re: Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#102 » by tripa » Tue Feb 21, 2023 3:37 am

Gradey Dick is pounding these dudes
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Re: Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#103 » by tripa » Tue Feb 21, 2023 3:45 am

Masai will never draft a player like this though. Even though hes a bucket getter.
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#104 » by Rapsfan07 » Tue Feb 21, 2023 4:03 am

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I like Wallace, Walker, Hendricks as 2-way players that will make the team better. They have potential to shoot the 3 over 33%.


If Masai is looking at a wing in the draft it better not mean that we resigned FVV or gave Trent 25 million a year or are going forward with Malachi as our first PG off the bench but that Masai dumped Young or Porter on someone or traded Anunoby for a young guard of equal caliber.

Because of the market and our situation with both FVV and Trent capable of walking drafting a guard will likely be our #1 priority. We have an overabundance of wings, you can't expect guys like Scottie or Precious or Pascal to be full time PGs because they are not. The whole long athletic vision is nice in theory but in practice if you don't have a long athlete with outstanding handles to run the point then it's not gonna work. Jarace ain't that guy. Hendricks ain't that guy. Not only do we need a guard we potentially need multiple guards to add to the roster next year which means that in all likelihood one of them is gonna be coming from the draft. Or we can stick to the status quo, overpay the guys that we have and watch them fail miserably.

The more I looked into the numbers and what's available in FA the more you realize the Raptors might be in one hell of a tricky situation when it comes to the roster that really doesn't give them the luxury of going BPA in the draft unless they make multiple significant roster moves before draft day. We have to hope that a guard IS their BPA or damn close to the BPA that they can pull the trigger.


Sign and trade one of FVV or Trent. Sign the other. Trade Thaddeus or Boucher for solid backup guard help that can hit the 3 at over 37%.


I doubt it's going to go down exactly like this.

Both of their agents know that if we don't resign them, we are not getting better talent than them for cheaper. Not from the free agent pool and definitely not from draft. They will use that as leverage to get their clients the best deal they possibly can.

I've said this before but I think either everyone is coming back at less than even they thought OR we're losing at least one, maybe two of these guys.

IMO Poeltl is the least likely to leave. I think he stays for around $18M per. Vanvleet could leave but if he does, it will come down to the money and there just aren't many (if any) teams out there that have the pure capspace and the interest to sign him. If he does leave, high chances are it will be a S&T. Trent on the other hand is my pick to be poached. He's young and a very good scorer...some team could like him in a microwave scoring role, which I think is his ideal role.

Either way, signing even one of these guys takes us into the tax. So you're looking at having to move either Boucher or OG to stay under, and even that isn't a guarantee...depends on how much you paid our UFAs. But let's say you trade OG...our team is significantly worse after that and we owe a pick as well.

If there is a S&T to be had, FVV and Boucher to the Bulls makes some sense, then OG to the Pacers for a package around Nembhard and picks or to the Blazers for a package around Simons or Shape and a first.
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Re: Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#105 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Tue Feb 21, 2023 4:04 am

tripa wrote:Gradey Dick is pounding these dudes


Dick took a charge before. He is really flimsy and soft but plays like he's not soft. It's all about projectability with him and adding strength is part of that.

Dude's shot stopped falling but the fundamentals and mechanics are there with his shot.

He would probably benefit from returning for his sophomore season.
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#106 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Tue Feb 21, 2023 4:10 am

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If Masai is looking at a wing in the draft it better not mean that we resigned FVV or gave Trent 25 million a year or are going forward with Malachi as our first PG off the bench but that Masai dumped Young or Porter on someone or traded Anunoby for a young guard of equal caliber.

Because of the market and our situation with both FVV and Trent capable of walking drafting a guard will likely be our #1 priority. We have an overabundance of wings, you can't expect guys like Scottie or Precious or Pascal to be full time PGs because they are not. The whole long athletic vision is nice in theory but in practice if you don't have a long athlete with outstanding handles to run the point then it's not gonna work. Jarace ain't that guy. Hendricks ain't that guy. Not only do we need a guard we potentially need multiple guards to add to the roster next year which means that in all likelihood one of them is gonna be coming from the draft. Or we can stick to the status quo, overpay the guys that we have and watch them fail miserably.

The more I looked into the numbers and what's available in FA the more you realize the Raptors might be in one hell of a tricky situation when it comes to the roster that really doesn't give them the luxury of going BPA in the draft unless they make multiple significant roster moves before draft day. We have to hope that a guard IS their BPA or damn close to the BPA that they can pull the trigger.


Sign and trade one of FVV or Trent. Sign the other. Trade Thaddeus or Boucher for solid backup guard help that can hit the 3 at over 37%.


I doubt it's going to go down exactly like this.

Both of their agents know that if we don't resign them, we are not getting better talent than them for cheaper. Not from the free agent pool and definitely not from draft. They will use that as leverage to get their clients the best deal they possibly can.

I've said this before but I think either everyone is coming back at less than even they thought OR we're losing at least one, maybe two of these guys.

IMO Poeltl is the least likely to leave. I think he stays for around $18M per. Vanvleet could leave but if he does, it will come down to the money and there just aren't many (if any) teams out there that have the pure capspace and the interest to sign him. If he does leave, high chances are it will be a S&T. Trent on the other hand is my pick to be poached. He's young and a very good scorer...some team could like him in a microwave scoring role, which I think is his ideal role.

Either way, signing even one of these guys takes us into the tax. So you're looking at having to move either Boucher or OG to stay under, and even that isn't a guarantee...depends on how much you paid our UFAs. But let's say you trade OG...our team is significantly worse after that and we owe a pick as well.

If there is a S&T to be had, FVV and Boucher to the Bulls makes some sense, then OG to the Pacers for a package around Nembhard and picks or to the Blazers for a package around Simons or Shape and a first.


Yeah that is why Masai might feel backed up against a wall and as though he MUST bring back one of either FVV or GTJ. IMO the best way to solve our guard problem is try to find a trade partner and swap Anunoby for a guard who can slide into our starting lineup. If that's not feasible then our best bet would be to bring in a FA on a short term deal to plug into the starting lineup and simultaneously draft a guard who can come off the bench and work his way into the starting lineup over the next year or two depending on the gameplay of the FA we sign.

The market is thin as hell RN.

Also Poeltl is not leaving. If that happens Masai needs to step down.
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Re: Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#107 » by Psubs » Tue Feb 21, 2023 4:44 am

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tripa wrote:Gradey Dick is pounding these dudes


Dick took a charge before. He is really flimsy and soft but plays like he's not soft. It's all about projectability with him and adding strength is part of that.

Dude's shot stopped falling but the fundamentals and mechanics are there with his shot.

He would probably benefit from returning for his sophomore season.


If he can maintain shooting above 40% from 3 then he should turn pro as he'd be a lottery pick. I wouldn't gamble and go back. At best he puts up well over 20ppg and is viewed like a taller JJ Redick level prospect or a taller Tyler Herro and still gets drafted around #10 at best.
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Re: Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#108 » by BoyzNTheHood » Tue Feb 21, 2023 4:55 am

Psubs wrote:
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tripa wrote:Gradey Dick is pounding these dudes


Dick took a charge before. He is really flimsy and soft but plays like he's not soft. It's all about projectability with him and adding strength is part of that.

Dude's shot stopped falling but the fundamentals and mechanics are there with his shot.

He would probably benefit from returning for his sophomore season.


If he can maintain shooting above 40% from 3 then he should turn pro as he'd be a lottery pick. I wouldn't gamble and go back. At best he puts up well over 20ppg and is viewed like a taller JJ Redick level prospect or a taller Tyler Herro and still gets drafted around #10 at best.
Gradey Dick doesn't need to go back to school, not by a long shot. He should be picked top 10 and in my opinion it's fairly obvious. I'd take him over George, the Thompson twins, and Nick Smith.
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Re: Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#109 » by Reeko » Tue Feb 21, 2023 5:37 am

So I randomly remembered that a couple of years ago there was this big hoopla about Drake dating the mother of a 5 star prospect. That prospect is Amari Bailey, a freshman at UCLA. I'm guessing there's no shot that he'll be a one and done player.
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Post#110 » by Kevin Willis » Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:24 am

Reeko wrote:So I randomly remembered that a couple of years ago there was this big hoopla about Drake dating the mother of a 5 star prospect. That prospect is Amari Bailey, a freshman at UCLA. I'm guessing there's no shot that he'll be a one and done player.


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Re: Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#111 » by Smalltown » Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:16 pm

Mark_83 wrote:I won't be surprised if Coulibaly goes in the back half of the lottery by the end of the year like Dieng did last year. I agree with the guys who say he looks like he's still growing based on his body structure. Won't be surprised if he's 6'9 when it's all said and done. He has all the tools and flashes enough skill and feel to make you think he can be something. Needs to get stronger, and not super fluid or smooth, but he's very intriguing. Doesn't hurt that he speaks French either being in Canada haha.


More and more he's seeming like the guy to me. He's not polished and is a a few years away from being a top rotation player. But he's flashing everything you want in a modern wing.
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Post#112 » by Psubs » Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:25 pm

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Reeko wrote:So I randomly remembered that a couple of years ago there was this big hoopla about Drake dating the mother of a 5 star prospect. That prospect is Amari Bailey, a freshman at UCLA. I'm guessing there's no shot that he'll be a one and done player.


Nope.


Maybe he wants to just turn pro? He can play in the GLeague if undrafted. At least he's shooting 37% from 3. Maybe a team uses a 2nd pick on him? We don't have ours any more. :-?
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Post#113 » by Psubs » Tue Feb 21, 2023 3:40 pm

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Mark_83 wrote:I won't be surprised if Coulibaly goes in the back half of the lottery by the end of the year like Dieng did last year. I agree with the guys who say he looks like he's still growing based on his body structure. Won't be surprised if he's 6'9 when it's all said and done. He has all the tools and flashes enough skill and feel to make you think he can be something. Needs to get stronger, and not super fluid or smooth, but he's very intriguing. Doesn't hurt that he speaks French either being in Canada haha.


More and more he's seeming like the guy to me. He's not polished and is a a few years away from being a top rotation player. But he's flashing everything you want in a modern wing.


He's similar to Rayan Rupert, who also has the arms like Mikal Bridges. Seems like Coulibaly can shoot the 3 better than Rupert. Maybe Coulibaly is Nicolas Batum 2.0?

Woiuld be nice to do draft Cason Wallace and have another team draft Coulibaly for us in a sign and trade of FVV.

Can they trade players with team and player options on draft day? Accept Team option on Eric Gordon?

Clippers trade: Eric Gordon, Nicolas Batum and #29 Bilal Coulibaly
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Post#114 » by God Squad » Tue Feb 21, 2023 3:42 pm

We need to stay in that 10-15 range. We can get a solid piece their IMO. Any of these will certainly help out either unit.
1. Taylor Hendricks
2. Ant Black
3. Cason Wallace
4. Brice Sensabaugh
5. Jett Howard
6. Rayan Rupert
7. Max Lewis
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Post#115 » by Psubs » Tue Feb 21, 2023 3:53 pm

God Squad wrote:We need to stay in that 10-15 range. We can get a solid piece their IMO. Any of these will certainly help out either unit.
1. Taylor Hendricks
2. Ant Black
3. Cason Wallace
4. Brice Sensabaugh
5. Jett Howard
6. Rayan Rupert
7. Max Lewis


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Post#116 » by God Squad » Tue Feb 21, 2023 3:58 pm

Psubs wrote:
God Squad wrote:We need to stay in that 10-15 range. We can get a solid piece their IMO. Any of these will certainly help out either unit.
1. Taylor Hendricks
2. Ant Black
3. Cason Wallace
4. Brice Sensabaugh
5. Jett Howard
6. Rayan Rupert
7. Max Lewis


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True. I'm gonna me honest, I wouldn't mind a trade back option depending on where we land. I'd love to get two for one. Leaving with Wallace and one of Hendricks, Lewis or Jett would be a great haul.
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Re: Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#117 » by Smalltown » Tue Feb 21, 2023 3:58 pm

Psubs wrote:#29 Bilal Coulibaly


I think he could end up going mid teens early 20s when it's all said and done.
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#118 » by dozo » Tue Feb 21, 2023 4:02 pm

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Welcome to The Expanding Big Board! Every week, one new player is added to the board. Once a player is added, they cannot be removed. The current ranking is listed first, with last week’s ranking in parenthesis.

1. Victor Wembanyama (1)

2. Scoot Henderson (2)

3. Brandon Miller (3)

4. Jarace Walker (4)

5. Cam Whitmore (5)

6. Ausar Thompson (6)

7. Amen Thompson (7)

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Every year, it feels like a million different players get off to a hot start. Eventually, things settle down. Shooting regression happens. Some tail off after a few weeks, while others fade when they get to the conference portion of their schedule. With Taylor Hendricks, it felt different.

The 6’9” freshman from Central Florida came out of the gates hot, converting 48.8% of his threes on 4.1 3PA per game during his first ten outings. Hendricks stood out among the fast starters for three primary reasons. The first was that he was 6’9”, and the second was that he’s genuinely a good athlete. Hendricks has the feet to slide with smaller players and explosive bounce off two feet. His vertical pop enables him to protect the rim on defense (1.7 BPG) and finish plays of offense (30 dunks on the year, per Synergy). The third part, though, was that Hendricks’s shot simply passes the eye test. He has a gorgeous shooting stroke with a high release point that is difficult to impede. Now 26 games into the season, he’s still converting 40.7% of his threes.

There’s been a steady progression to other elements of his game, too. Hendricks has done a better job of finding teammates, and he keeps his dribble low to attack when he’s chased off the three-point line. He’s unlikely to ever be the primary focal point of an NBA offense, but his recognition is rock solid and he moves the ball quickly when needed. After averaging 0.7 assists through his first ten games, he’s averaged 1.9 again in the ensuing 16. The game has slowed down for him and he’s playing with his head up more consistently. Evolving from “catch-and-shoot guy” to “catch-and-shoot guy who can attack and find the open man” is huge for his future projections.

As with all prospects, there is still room for improvement. His defensive switchability, while enticing, is still a tad theoretical. He can be too upright while guarding quicker players, and he’s too quick to put his hands on the opponent rather than getting into his stance. The biggest concern that jumps out to me is his lack of physical strength. Hendricks is skinny. The ball gets knocked out of his hands a lot, and he can get bumped off his spot while driving. He has a good frame, though, and I believe he will gain the appropriate weight in time. Still, it will be an initial barrier he has to deal with.

Taylor Hendricks could be the type of player every NBA team wants: a 6’9” guy who shoots the lights out and guards multiple positions. If it all clicks, he could be an outstanding third option who covers the spectrum and provides weakside rim protection on defense while finishing plays at a high level on the other end.

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Re: Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#119 » by Psubs » Tue Feb 21, 2023 4:16 pm

God Squad wrote:
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God Squad wrote:We need to stay in that 10-15 range. We can get a solid piece their IMO. Any of these will certainly help out either unit.
1. Taylor Hendricks
2. Ant Black
3. Cason Wallace
4. Brice Sensabaugh
5. Jett Howard
6. Rayan Rupert
7. Max Lewis


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True. I'm gonna me honest, I wouldn't mind a trade back option depending on where we land. I'd love to get two for one. Leaving with Wallace and one of Hendricks, Lewis or Jett would be a great haul.


Heck, I'm thinking of trading the 1st pick with Flynn and get two later 1st picks. Though the only team that works with is Danny Ainge with the Jazz. :-?

Trade for the Minnesota and 76ers 1st pick? Assuming the Raptors finish worse than Minny and Utah.
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Post#120 » by God Squad » Tue Feb 21, 2023 4:23 pm

Psubs wrote:
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True. I'm gonna me honest, I wouldn't mind a trade back option depending on where we land. I'd love to get two for one. Leaving with Wallace and one of Hendricks, Lewis or Jett would be a great haul.


Heck, I'm thinking of trading the 1st pick with Flynn and get two later 1st picks. Though the only team that works with is Danny Ainge with the Jazz. :-?

Trade for the Minnesota and 76ers 1st pick? Assuming the Raptors finish worse than Minny and Utah.

Yeah there has to be a trade back options. I'm beginning to think the gap/separation from 3 - 15 isn't that big as I initially thought. I really like Hendricks and think he's a seamless fit once OG gets moved.

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