Trade Discussion 22/23

[ozwizard8]

Ben got 0 upside. He is menthally not suitable to be a professional athlete.

And u cant double snt to the guy above

I still think 76ers Ben Simmons would fit great to Mavs. He was the best Luka defender in the league. He did not seem like that player for 2+ years now...

I think the problem is not just mental. Its more about the back injury but not get talked much. With serious back injury you would not go for that many blocks, you dont go jump for dunking over people, taking charges etc. It kinda look similar to some injury returns of MPJ of Denver and Porzingis. Both guys can actually defend and block shots if they feel good about their knee, leg, back whatever. Both KP-MPJ also dunks, putbacks emphatically when they feel good. After injury, sometimes for months, seasons they stop doing those stuff. And they kept getting injured for so many times so we didn't see them at full capacity for so long. At least those two can shoot 3pt shot, and finish layups without afraiding to get fouled and FT shots. Ben has FT fear which further capitulates his game.

He's one of the most unplayable players in the league. Can't take any jumpers, doesn't drive aggressively, 50% FT shooter on a good day, mentally checked out and on THE worst contract in the league. Absolutely impossible in any way imaginable.

Yeah he didn't show any signs of returning to his old game. Mental issues sometimes set players back especially on offense. But the dropdown at offense is unbelievable. I am not suggesting 2023 Feb Simmons to join Mavs. But the all-defense team version of him would be a good fit even with the offensive deficiencies.

[ozwizard8]

It's funny... People against Irving trade now proposed a trade for Simmons

I can't fully understand Ben. Does he just need a change of scenery like Kyrie to get energized again or needs to change his head?

Dude was such a best and talent not long ago and now he's barely a bench player on a max contract.

He seems totally checked out. He even recently said that he will never be the player he was. I think he’s just playing for the money at this point and has zero love for the game.

Is that Andrew Bynum esque? I guess Bynum was never been able to that dominant player after injuries. And all those rehabs probably takes toll on the athletes. Knowing that he cannot go back to his prime level must feel **** up. Perhaps same applies to Simmons. He did not have much skills to rely on after losing athleticism.

[Mike lorenzo]

The Nets will not use Claxton to get out of Simons.. They have more assets than us. Why would they trade their young center now that they've gotten younger? they have Okongwu and they are already investing a lot of money in the front court... simulacrum
trade 1..after the draft.

THJ/Dallas24 to MAGIC

G.Harris/Okeke to MAVS

Trade 2. Bertans/Bullock(Expiring)/Mavs26 for Capella/GMathews

FA.. DSJ/Javonte Green/Noel(TMLE)

Capella/Noel
Maxi/Okeke
Green/GHarris
KI/Hardy
Luka/DSJ

[Jg41]

It seems the Mavs have backed themselves to a corner here.

Priority 1 - re-sign Irving.
Priority 2 - trade for a defensive wing and big

Moveable pieces - THJ, Bertans, Powell (S&T), Wood (S&T), Kleber, Mcgee

Assets (Trade if you really have to) - Josh Green, Jaden Hardy, 2027 FRP

Two trades sometime between the draft and the moratorium:

1) D. Bertans / '25 2nd / 6.3M Cash (Via 22-23 Considerations) ===> SAN ===> D. McDermott (Expiring @13.75M)

2) C. Wood (S&T 3yrs 48M) / T. Hardaway Jr. / '25 Unprotected 1st / '27 Unprotected 1st / '30 Unprotected 2nd / (4) 1st Round Swaps in '24,'26,'28,'30 / 6.8M Cash (Via 23-24 Considerations) ===> BKN ===> N. Claxton / D. Finney-Smith / P. Mills

Free Agency:

1) Resign K. Irving (5yrs 220M ... Include 5th year PO and Full No-Trade Clause)
2) Extend J. Green (4yrs 80M)
3) Extend N. Claxton (4 yrs 100M)
4) Resign T. Pinson & D. Powell to Vet Minimum

2023-2024 Payroll:

Luka - 40,064,220
Kyrie - 38,000,000
Dodo - 13,930,820
Doug - 13,750,000
Kleber - 11,000,000
Bullock - 10,489,600
Claxton - 8,750,000
Patty - 6,802,950
McGee - 5,734,280
Green - 4,765,339
Powell - 1,989,698
Pinson - 1,989,698
Hardy - 1,719,864

160,976,167

Rotation:

PG: K. Irving (36) / P. Mills
SG: J. Green (32) / J. Hardy (24) / T. Pinson
SF: L. Doncic (36) / R. Bullock (24) / D. McDermott
PF: D. Finney-Smith (32) / M. Kleber (24)
C: N. Claxton (32) / D. Powell / J. McGee

Dallas swaps Bertans for Doug, signs Kyrie at 38M (w/max 3M raises each year), and elects to roster only 13 players -- all to avoid the luxury tax this year (Projected at 162+M). This will reset the team's repeater clock while also preserving the flexibility to use the full TPMLE in the event a worthy player becomes available midseason-though this would be ill-advised for virtually anyone who becomes available. Regardless, Dallas would be hard-capped at roughly 168M if they elect to move C. Wood via S&T. Because of these parameters, Dallas relies on its two-way players and 10-day contracts to navigate midseason injuries.

Rationale:
Dallas jettisons literally every legally tradable non-player asset it has in order to retain Josh and Jaden in the deal while forming a 24 and under core of Luka, Nic, and the aforementioned. Timing will be crucial. If Dallas can execute this while Kyrie mulls his decision, the addition of Claxton (on a personal and basketball level) might incline him to stay. It's also a brass balls demonstration by Mark and Nico to Kyrie (and Luka as well): 400M check and every conceivable draft asset. Still, there's not as much downside as some might claim. Claxton has developed into a defensive anchor, and, if not untouchable, he represents the best young defensive center prospect in the league. He fits the timeline and skillset perfectly and is someone you definitely empty the clip for. Dorian is the perfect 3&D PF (contractually and culturally) to take on wings and primary ballhandlers with a bit more size than Josh can handle. And Patty gives us 5 playmakers we're comfortable with. Nevertheless, I hope Dallas at least kicks the tires with the Nets, so many good pieces to be had there.

Insane. Would have to change mills for bridges to even start to consider giving up all assets

You'd get laughed out of the room...

I'm disappointed by how many of you guys have either wildly inflated the value of our tradable draft capital or significantly underestimated the market price for desirable targets.

The Nets could call at least half a dozen teams around the league and get 3+ firsts for Bridges and/or 2+ firsts for Claxton within minutes if they chose to...and that's likely a conservative characterization if we're being honest. For what we've got left in the war chest, we'd be lucky to acquire just one player of that caliber - let alone two.

If the Mavericks retain Kyrie long-term and attempt to package some salary with said war chest in a deal with a team for an upgrade, that team is going to be justifiably leery of trading us what could potentially amount to 'roster-completing talent' when they have a vested interest in our future futility. Given that they've already hedged on that scenario with the Kyrie trade, the Nets would be extra sensitive to this dynamic - and would thus likely require additional compensation.

Additionally, I think a lot of you are forgetting teams like Utah, OKC, NOP, NYK, etc. who together account for something like 30ish% of the 210 available first round picks currently in circulation. The bids these teams can make for some of these guys put our best offers to shame. In the aftermath of our negotiations with BKN, basically all of the reporting made one thing imminently clear with respect to most (if not all) of our future negotiations with them and the league at large: If we want to retain Green AND Hardy while also MEANINGFULLY addressing one or both of our needs for either 1) a defensive-minded center; or 2) a 3&D wing upgrade over Bullock (one that can uncontroversially push him to the bench), it is simply going to require virtually all of Dallas' remaining draft capital to effectuate, and I fear even that might not be enough to get the job done.

[arkuo]

For cheap reclamation projects in the summer, I'd get Naz Reid from the Wolves. Only 23 years old, would not cost much, and is UFA. He will play behind Gobert and KAT in Minnesota so why not move to Dallas.

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[Teffer10]

For cheap reclamation projects in the summer, I'd get Naz Reid from the Wolves. Only 23 years old, would not cost much, and is UFA. He will play behind Gobert and KAT in Minnesota so why not move to Dallas.

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I'd love to pry Reid away from the Wolves but not sure they'll let him get away.
No idea what their financial situation is, but I love his game and would love to add him to the roster next season.

[HMFFL]

For cheap reclamation projects in the summer, I'd get Naz Reid from the Wolves. Only 23 years old, would not cost much, and is UFA. He will play behind Gobert and KAT in Minnesota so why not move to Dallas.

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I'd love to pry Reid away from the Wolves but not sure they'll let him get away.
No idea what their financial situation is, but I love his game and would love to add him to the roster next season.

Reid would probably love to have a a better role with a new team. 23 years old and he's not thought of.

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[arkuo]

For cheap reclamation projects in the summer, I'd get Naz Reid from the Wolves. Only 23 years old, would not cost much, and is UFA. He will play behind Gobert and KAT in Minnesota so why not move to Dallas.

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I'd love to pry Reid away from the Wolves but not sure they'll let him get away.
No idea what their financial situation is, but I love his game and would love to add him to the roster next season.

Reid would probably love to have a a better role with a new team. 23 years old and he's not thought of.

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Mavs can probably offer him a starting spot if Powell is not returning. Works better for him that coming off the bench for Gobert and KAT. He's active, switchable, plays defense and shoots the ocassional 3. Couldn't think of a better big man for Dallas considering he comes cheap.

[ACMFFL]

DALLAS
•Pascal Siakam
•Otto Porter

TORONTO
•Davis Bertans
•Christian Wood (S&T 15m/3years only the first guaranteed)
•Josh Green
•2025, 2027 unprotected 1sts
•2026, 2028, 2030 swap

•re-sign Irving (3-years max contract)
•re-sign Powell to a friendly contract
•sign Dragic to fill the 3rd guard spot
•use the tax-MLE to sign another forward

Powell / Kleber / McGee
Siakam / Porter
Bullock / THJ
Doncic / Hardy
Irving / Dragic

Is it enough to get Pascal? Too much? It's an all-in move and I know losing Josh hurts but Siakam could give us a legit shot at the title.

And if you'd do it my next question is: could Luka co-exist with 2 ball dominant players?

[Michaellam1987]

I'd love to pry Reid away from the Wolves but not sure they'll let him get away.
No idea what their financial situation is, but I love his game and would love to add him to the roster next season.

Reid would probably love to have a a better role with a new team. 23 years old and he's not thought of.

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Mavs can probably offer him a starting spot if Powell is not returning. Works better for him that coming off the bench for Gobert and KAT. He's active, switchable, plays defense and shoots the ocassional 3. Couldn't think of a better big man for Dallas considering he comes cheap.

Naz Reid is bad defensively, that is why he cannot get consistent minutes. However, if we can get him at a reasonable price, he is an upgrade on our C position.

[41Dirk41]

Powell will be our starting center forever. Book it.

[arkuo]

Powell will be our starting center forever. Book it.

Lifetime contract with no trade clause in Dallas

[algope]

Powell will be our starting center forever. Book it.

Lifetime contract with no trade clause in Dallas

Will have his number retired some day

[Ni Da Ye]

Can we get Will Barton?

[Mr B]

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[41Dirk41]

Can we get Will Barton?

Not a bad try... Better than Frank or Theo for sure.

[Michaellam1987]

Can we get Will Barton?

Not a bad try... Better than Frank or Theo for sure.

Barton needs ball on hand to be effective, and he cannot help on perimeter defense/post defense/rebounding. Hence, he is not useful to DAL.

[41Dirk41]

Can we get Will Barton?

Not a bad try... Better than Frank or Theo for sure.

Barton needs ball on hand to be effective, and he cannot help on perimeter defense/post defense/rebounding. Hence, he is not useful to DAL.

Just like the others 2 i've mentioned

[arkuo]

Miles Bridges mentioned something about a return to the NBA. I think he got parenting seminars and community service for pleading no contest. It wont be the first time a team welcomed back a player like this. But since he doesnt have an active contract (UFA 2022), and Charlotte doesnt look interested in competing, does Dallas make a play for Bridges? Does he play defense? His numbers say he can be a 3rd or 4th best player on the team. Might be a better fit than Wood?

I mean what's the use of putting out trade ideas for 3&D guys when Kidd himself said he just plans to outscore the other team as his main game plan and figure out the interior defense at a later time. If Bridges can get 20 to 25ppg nightly then he can boost Luka and Kyrie's scoring. I think you can play him at PF the same way Harrison Barnes sometimes plays PF on small ball playoff lineups. His fast paced run and gun type of play is perfect with Kyrie and Josh Green. Just keep cutting, jump for lobs, move the ball around and crash boards.

[Archx]

does Dallas make a play for Bridges?

Mavs already made all the wrong headlines with Kidd you think they have the balls to take on Bridges aswell?

But i do think he was Hornets most important piece. Look how far backwards they have fallen without him.