Brandon Miller - Alabama

[Sedale Threatt]

This is going to get Oats fired. Or it should.

Miller absolutely should not be playing. This is insanity.

It is, but it isn't, at least in the sense that this is absolutely business as usual.

The fact of the matter is, regardless of what industry you're in, if you're talented enough, people are going to bend over backwards to make your life easier for the simple fact that they can benefit from it. If this kid was averaging 2 points and 2 rebounds per game, he would have been kicked off the team like his teammate, and his legal situation would very possibly be quite different.

But he's one of the best players in the country on a team that has national championship hopes, so it's wrong place/wrong time, thoughts & prayers to the victim and her family as he continues to suit up.

Whenever you see teams/leagues do the right thing, it's almost never an actual moral calculation as much as the negatives outweighing the positives of not doing it. Case in point: Miles Bridges beat the living fck out of his girlfriend, and listening to Mitch Kupchak a few weeks ago it sure as hell didn't sound like they've closed the door on him.

[Deathray]

Miller wasn't in the wrong place at the wrong time, Oats is full of crap. The text Miller got said "I need my joint a n****r rl jus got fakin". He knew exactly why they needed the gun and that they were going to use it to show somebody who's boss so he brought it to them and somebody got murdered.

[peZt]

The US is such a majorly **** up place. Not only that this thing can happen in the first place but that it's even gets shrugged off by some people. If a person gives somebody else a gun to murder someone in any other place in the world, he is done. Done done.

[The Moose]

Miller wasn't in the wrong place at the wrong time, Oats is full of crap. The text Miller got said "I need my joint a n****r rl jus got fakin". He knew exactly why they needed the gun and that they were going to use it to show somebody who's boss so he brought it to them and somebody got murdered.

its truly bizarre he has faced zero repercussions from Alabama for this

[whitehops]

Wrong place wrong time would be you're eating at taco bell and the scene just popped off.

This was a text message, bring the gun over, and then drive to the scene and block the car.

yeah that's such a daft quote, he made a conscious decision to drive to that specific place at that specific time. and being asked "can you bring me my gun?" isn't exactly the same as "can you bring me my wallet?". he knew something was going to go down.

[ItsDanger]

Miller wasn't in the wrong place at the wrong time, Oats is full of crap. The text Miller got said "I need my joint a n****r rl jus got fakin". He knew exactly why they needed the gun and that they were going to use it to show somebody who's boss so he brought it to them and somebody got murdered.

More or less probable. People just want to be too politically correct these days. Of course, Alabama will try to cover it up for their star freshman

[JMAC3]

Let me ask you this scenario.

If your brother text you and told you to bring him his gun, then you get to where your brother is and a 3rd friend takes the gun and engages in a back and forth shooting and someone dies. Do you think you should go to jail?

For my instance, I would never ever expect my brother to shoot someone. So I would assume it was for self defense.

For those saying they would ignore the text if Miller. What if Miles would of gotten shot and killed or your brother in this instance because you did not show up?

[babyjax13]

I go to Alabama. I won't comment on Miller specifically because I don't have the details, but this is the most morally adrift public university in the country. They don't care about students, and they don't care about the community. The student athletes are often a bright spot, they understand how the University uses them and are able to do some quiet advocacy for students. That said, were something to happen those same processes mean that anything short of going to prison is likely not going to result in anything, UNLESS it is the football team because Saban (also a great person in the community) gets to do what he wants.

[clyde21]

Wrong place wrong time would be you're eating at taco bell and the scene just popped off.

This was a text message, bring the gun over, and then drive to the scene and block the car. Hes not being charged with anything currently though. If everyone involved says the right things and the cops didnt go hard after it he might sneak off legal problems in Alabama.

Its a huge red flag on his character. Hes 20 year olds even a teenager knows this is putting yourself out there to get involved with murder.

We don't know if he was actually blocking the car though (the way we think of blocking a car)

I just think back to my college days...you always had your boys and your crew. It's probably like that 100x when you're apart of a basketball team.

Someone was murdered but my point is I'm not sure he had an idea of what he was getting into other than 'I'm here for you' type thing.

C’mon man. Even if was “get my hat”, once you grab the hat, you notice the gun. You’re giving the dude a gun that he asked for. If you aren’t bolting tf outta there at that point, you are a moron.

it was apparently already in the backseat. doesn't seem like it was a situation where Miller went out of his way to go get a gun that he knew was going to be in a murder. most likely scenario Miles was in Millers backseat at some point along with his gun/hat and Miles just told Miller to bring him his stuff. But if Miller knew there was a gun and what it was goong to be used for that seems pretty clear cut accessory to murder and it doesn't matter how good of a player he is he would've at least been charged and awaiting trial.

none of this means Miller isn't an idiot and should've known way better, but there seems to have been enough plausible deniabiability where not even an arrest has been made, let alone a charge. Culpepper himself said there was nothing there to arrest Miller on.

[sip]

Let me ask you this scenario.

If your brother text you and told you to bring him his gun, then you get to where your brother is and a 3rd friend takes the gun and engages in a back and forth shooting and someone dies. Do you think you should go to jail?

For my instance, I would never ever expect my brother to shoot someone. So I would assume it was for self defense.

For those saying they would ignore the text if Miller. What if Miles would of gotten shot and killed or your brother in this instance because you did not show up?

You are seriously broken. If your brother calls and makes that request you tell him to get the hell out of there. You don't bring a gun that is likely to make the situation worse. In this case even worse though is the fact that Miles and Davis were the aggressors. This topic is really telling when it comes to who wants to justify that gangster lifestyle and could care less about the consequences.

[tmorgan]

Let me ask you this scenario.

If your brother text you and told you to bring him his gun, then you get to where your brother is and a 3rd friend takes the gun and engages in a back and forth shooting and someone dies. Do you think you should go to jail?

For my instance, I would never ever expect my brother to shoot someone. So I would assume it was for self defense.

For those saying they would ignore the text if Miller. What if Miles would of gotten shot and killed or your brother in this instance because you did not show up?

Let me pose this response.

If you are in a gang or something similar, and that is your life and sustenance, I think it’s wrong, but sure, when something goes down, you gotta have your side’s back. That’s a hard, dangerous life you lead, but if you’re in it by choice or necessity, those are real choices you make.

If you are a very talented top 5 draft pick this summer with literally tens of millions of dollars in your future, that changes the equation. If your friends aren’t people that understand that, you need new friends.

If you think you are BOTH of the above, you aren’t, because you aren’t going to be the second. Not in the present. Maybe thirty or forty years ago it was possible, but it’s called the Information Age for a reason.

[Sedale Threatt]

The US is such a majorly **** up place. Not only that this thing can happen in the first place but that it's even gets shrugged off by some people. If a person gives somebody else a gun to murder someone in any other place in the world, he is done. Done done.

To me, the most fcked up part of this whole thing -- and there's a ton to choose from -- might have been the fact the victim's boyfriend was also carrying a gun, and a freaking shootout took place like something out of the Old West. It's a miracle only one person was killed. Not that this is particularly unique, but that just underscores how utterly insane U.S. gun culture is: Like school shootings, you read about something like this and you don't even really bat an eye anymore. The only thing that makes this unique is that a top NBA prospect is involved.

[Sedale Threatt]

Let me ask you this scenario.

If your brother text you and told you to bring him his gun, then you get to where your brother is and a 3rd friend takes the gun and engages in a back and forth shooting and someone dies. Do you think you should go to jail?

For my instance, I would never ever expect my brother to shoot someone. So I would assume it was for self defense.

For those saying they would ignore the text if Miller. What if Miles would of gotten shot and killed or your brother in this instance because you did not show up?

I wouldn't put myself in legal jeopardy for an actual blood relative, up to and including parents and siblings. A freaking teammate that I will have spent less than a year with before I leave to cash my lottery ticket in the NBA? Not a f'ing chance.

[clyde21]

why do people always have to default to their most emotional response? how about we take a breather before making assumptions about a kid that could potentially ruin his life.

the most likely scenario here is that Miles had been hanging out with Miller at some point, left his gun in the backseat of Miller's car...and then later when the altercation happened texted Miller to bring him his stuff (including his gun which was again in a hat in the backseat of Miller's car).

as soon as Miller gets there, Miles apparently tells Davis to grab the gun from the backseat of Miller's car.. and then the shootout happens...but it was such chaos that even Miller's car was shot twice apparently (windshield).

IF this is what happened (which would explain why Miller was left uncharged)...this is a farcry from accessory to premeditated murder. Stupid? Yes...but should this kids life be ruined over this? no.

the two people actually culpable (Miles and Davis) were charged with capital murder and will spend most of their life behind bars and rightfully so.

[ConSarnit]

We don't know if he was actually blocking the car though (the way we think of blocking a car)

I just think back to my college days...you always had your boys and your crew. It's probably like that 100x when you're apart of a basketball team.

Someone was murdered but my point is I'm not sure he had an idea of what he was getting into other than 'I'm here for you' type thing.

C’mon man. Even if was “get my hat”, once you grab the hat, you notice the gun. You’re giving the dude a gun that he asked for. If you aren’t bolting tf outta there at that point, you are a moron.

it was apparently already in the backseat. doesn't seem like it was a situation where Miller went out of his way to go get a gun that he knew was going to be in a murder. most likely scenario Miles was in Millers backseat at some point along with his gun/hat and Miles just told Miller to bring him his stuff. But if Miller knew there was a gun and what it was goong to be used for that seems pretty clear cut accessory to murder and it doesn't matter how good of a player he is he would've at least been charged and awaiting trial.

none of this means Miller isn't an idiot and should've known way better, but there seems to have been enough plausible deniabiability where not even an arrest has been made, let alone a charge. Culpepper himself said there was nothing there to arrest Miller on.

Of course he knew. The police report specifically says Miles contacted Miller and told him to bring his gun. Miller 100% knew about the gun because that was the entire reason he went to meet Miles.

[clyde21]

C’mon man. Even if was “get my hat”, once you grab the hat, you notice the gun. You’re giving the dude a gun that he asked for. If you aren’t bolting tf outta there at that point, you are a moron.

it was apparently already in the backseat. doesn't seem like it was a situation where Miller went out of his way to go get a gun that he knew was going to be in a murder. most likely scenario Miles was in Millers backseat at some point along with his gun/hat and Miles just told Miller to bring him his stuff. But if Miller knew there was a gun and what it was goong to be used for that seems pretty clear cut accessory to murder and it doesn't matter how good of a player he is he would've at least been charged and awaiting trial.

none of this means Miller isn't an idiot and should've known way better, but there seems to have been enough plausible deniabiability where not even an arrest has been made, let alone a charge. Culpepper himself said there was nothing there to arrest Miller on.

Of course he knew. The police report specifically says Miles contacted Miller and told him to bring his gun. Miller 100% knew about the gun because that was the entire reason he went to meet Miles.

Ok but Miles had left his stuff, including the gun, in Miller's car. what if Miller was just bringing bacm his stuff?

what is Miller gonna do? keep the gun and never give it back to Miles? lol

unless there is actual proof that Miles told Miller what the gun was for, it's plausible deniabiability. All what Miller was doing was bringing the guy back his property. That doesn't mean he's complicit to murder.

[ConSarnit]

it was apparently already in the backseat. doesn't seem like it was a situation where Miller went out of his way to go get a gun that he knew was going to be in a murder. most likely scenario Miles was in Millers backseat at some point along with his gun/hat and Miles just told Miller to bring him his stuff. But if Miller knew there was a gun and what it was goong to be used for that seems pretty clear cut accessory to murder and it doesn't matter how good of a player he is he would've at least been charged and awaiting trial.

none of this means Miller isn't an idiot and should've known way better, but there seems to have been enough plausible deniabiability where not even an arrest has been made, let alone a charge. Culpepper himself said there was nothing there to arrest Miller on.

Of course he knew. The police report specifically says Miles contacted Miller and told him to bring his gun. Miller 100% knew about the gun because that was the entire reason he went to meet Miles.

Ok but Miles had left his stuff, including the gun, in Miller's car. what if Miller was just bringing up his stuff?

what is Miller gonna do? keep the gun and never give it back to Miles? lol

Dear lord. It's in the freaking police report that Miles asked Miller to bring him his gun. Not his hat. Not his sunglasses. Not his wallet. Not his "stuff". His gun. That's the information we have to go on. Are you being willfully obtuse for a reason here?

I know that I always make sure to return my friend's gun to him outside of a bar at 130am on a Saturday night. Completely normal stuff there.

[clyde21]

Of course he knew. The police report specifically says Miles contacted Miller and told him to bring his gun. Miller 100% knew about the gun because that was the entire reason he went to meet Miles.

Ok but Miles had left his stuff, including the gun, in Miller's car. what if Miller was just bringing up his stuff?

what is Miller gonna do? keep the gun and never give it back to Miles? lol

Dear lord. It's in the freaking police report that Miles asked Miller to bring him his gun. Not his hat. Not his sunglasses. Not his wallet. Not his "stuff". His gun. That's the information we have to go on. Are you being willfully obtuse for a reason here?

I know that I always make sure to return my friend's gun to him outside of a bar at 130am on a Saturday night. Completely normal stuff there.

and the same people that put that police report together and accumulated all the evidence decided there wasn't enough to charge the kid with

weird how some of you are unwilling to understand this concept.

and yes, it's actually very normal stuff. A gun is someone's property and if Miles was asking for it back I certainly wouldn't want someone else's gun on me that I don't need or want...so yea I'd take it back to them. im not sure how or why that's weird to you.

[JMAC3]

Let me ask you this scenario.

If your brother text you and told you to bring him his gun, then you get to where your brother is and a 3rd friend takes the gun and engages in a back and forth shooting and someone dies. Do you think you should go to jail?

For my instance, I would never ever expect my brother to shoot someone. So I would assume it was for self defense.

For those saying they would ignore the text if Miller. What if Miles would of gotten shot and killed or your brother in this instance because you did not show up?

You are seriously broken. If your brother calls and makes that request you tell him to get the hell out of there. You don't bring a gun that is likely to make the situation worse. In this case even worse though is the fact that Miles and Davis were the aggressors. This topic is really telling when it comes to who wants to justify that gangster lifestyle and could care less about the consequences.

I think you are overestimating the knowledge that Miller had in this situation. Same as the posed question.

There is a difference between a text that says hey bring me my stuff/gun.

Vs a phone call where he says "hey things are about to go down, I am going to shoot someone, bring my gun"

Especially when Miller was just with them earlier that night and one was the one who dropped them off at the club before any of this dangerous scenario had started. It is not like Miller went to Miles house and sought out the gun to bring it to him. It was already in Millers car.

[peZt]

Ok but Miles had left his stuff, including the gun, in Miller's car. what if Miller was just bringing up his stuff?

what is Miller gonna do? keep the gun and never give it back to Miles? lol

Dear lord. It's in the freaking police report that Miles asked Miller to bring him his gun. Not his hat. Not his sunglasses. Not his wallet. Not his "stuff". His gun. That's the information we have to go on. Are you being willfully obtuse for a reason here?

I know that I always make sure to return my friend's gun to him outside of a bar at 130am on a Saturday night. Completely normal stuff there.

and the same people that put that police report together and accumulated all the evidence decided there wasn't enough to charge the kid with

weird how some of you are unwilling to understand this concept.

and yes, it's actually very normal stuff. A gun is someone's property and if Miles was asking for it back I certainly wouldn't want someone else's gun on me that I don't need or want...so yea I'd take it back to them. im not sure how or why that's weird to you.

You genuinely can not be **** serious... The guy literally texted him that he "Needed" his gun cause someone was done fakin. Miller knew that his friend wanted to gun to smoke someone. If you seriously don't see an issue in this situation then there is something genuinely wrong with you.


And regardless of the Miller situation. You're responsibility as a friend is NOT to give your friend a gun when you know exactly they are about to shoot someone. Nevermind that you're responsibility as a human being is not to do so as well. Miller is a piece of **** trashbag that is directly responsible for the death of a innocent woman. **** him