Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II

[causal_fan]

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Hope for his sake that he only brought Miles the gun because he said he wanted protection or something. I doubt Miller knew Miles was gonna kill someone with it. We’ll see as more evidence comes out.

Edit: Just read the article, he was indeed told that the gun was for self protection. Miles never indicated he was going to kill someone with it.

That's a pretty big red flag. Whether it affects his draft stock or not, I don't know, but if some of the better run organizations end up in the top 3-5 he might get passed on because there really isn't that much separation between 3-8 in this draft. Dude is set to be a top 5 pick in the NBA draft and he's out here transporting weapons for teammates. The fact that he didn't get charged is pure luck.

I would be very surprised if this incident doesn't cause his stock to tumble - it's not just bringing the gun but the company he keeps.

[Indeed]

Sign and trade one of FVV or Trent. Sign the other. Trade Thaddeus or Boucher for solid backup guard help that can hit the 3 at over 37%.

I doubt it's going to go down exactly like this.

Both of their agents know that if we don't resign them, we are not getting better talent than them for cheaper. Not from the free agent pool and definitely not from draft. They will use that as leverage to get their clients the best deal they possibly can.

I've said this before but I think either everyone is coming back at less than even they thought OR we're losing at least one, maybe two of these guys.

IMO Poeltl is the least likely to leave. I think he stays for around $18M per. Vanvleet could leave but if he does, it will come down to the money and there just aren't many (if any) teams out there that have the pure capspace and the interest to sign him. If he does leave, high chances are it will be a S&T. Trent on the other hand is my pick to be poached. He's young and a very good scorer...some team could like him in a microwave scoring role, which I think is his ideal role.

Either way, signing even one of these guys takes us into the tax. So you're looking at having to move either Boucher or OG to stay under, and even that isn't a guarantee...depends on how much you paid our UFAs. But let's say you trade OG...our team is significantly worse after that and we owe a pick as well.

If there is a S&T to be had, FVV and Boucher to the Bulls makes some sense, then OG to the Pacers for a package around Nembhard and picks or to the Blazers for a package around Simons or Shape and a first.

Yeah that is why Masai might feel backed up against a wall and as though he MUST bring back one of either FVV or GTJ. IMO the best way to solve our guard problem is try to find a trade partner and swap Anunoby for a guard who can slide into our starting lineup. If that's not feasible then our best bet would be to bring in a FA on a short term deal to plug into the starting lineup and simultaneously draft a guard who can come off the bench and work his way into the starting lineup over the next year or two depending on the gameplay of the FA we sign.

The market is thin as hell RN.

Also Poeltl is not leaving. If that happens Masai needs to step down.

Moving anyone with a contract to reduce the tax doesn't make sense to me, because you are taking back some sort of salary.
Meanwhile, I don't see we need more guards to take away the ball, as our non-shooters (Achiuwa, Barnes, Poeltl, Banton, Koloko, Young) need the ball as well. If we need shooting, I see Boucher and OG (and Porter) being even more valuable.

[Thaddy]

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Yeah, I've been a bit back and forth on Black as he's had a few rough games this season but on a whole I think he would def be a solid addition. All things considered, after seeing smaller guys continually get exploited on defense, I'd rather have the bigger player. A guy like Lowry is an outlier.

Of course there's concerns with his long-range shooting maybe not being as solid as others in his tier but his defense/playmaking would be fun to see put in the mix with OG/Scottie/Pascal/Yak.

Really no interest in the all offense, subpar defense prospects at all. If you're struggling a bit at this level how's that gonna work when you're taking a leap at the next level?

My other worry, which doesn't mean we shouldn't draft him, is that his additive playmaking would be wasted in a Nick Nurse conservative iso offense.

Black and Walker two of my faves so far. Just good basketball players

I like Black but his fit with us is going to make the sum of our parts a lot less than they should be. I would rather pick a rookie that can come in play defense, and space the floor. This gives them live minutes to see how great players play in clutch situations or full speed. I personally want Rupert, he's on a competitive team in a good league. He should be rated way higher than he currently is. The other guy I'd be interested in is Bilal Coulibaly. The concern with the latter is he is making well off the attention Wembyama gets but it looks like something is there.

[WuTang_CMB]

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Bilal top 10 in 2024 , hopefully he enters in 2023

[C-R-E-A-M-]

Spurs will get Bronny with the pick we gave them

[JN]

Pre-draft NBA Security will investigate and search harder then Alabama and the NCAA regarding the accurate story on Brandon Miller.

It may be good or bad for Miller when the NBA digs deeper into this incident and other things. It might totally clear him.

You certainly can't count on an SEC school, especially Alabama when they are a projected #1 seed, to do much due diligence or discipline him (if warranted)

[bboyskinnylegs]

I suspect we definitely won't be drafting Brandon Miller no matter how far his draft stock and/or our pick falls.

[TorontoBarneys]

I suspect we definitely won't be drafting Brandon Miller no matter how far his draft stock and/or our pick falls.

I think anything other than full due diligence into researching him and his character (along with workouts with us & full character interviews) should be required otherwise this seems like a knee-jerk reaction. Is it a stupid mistake? Yes? Is it career-ending? We have no idea yet he's not directly tied to the crime, only indirectly.

[dozo]

I suspect we definitely won't be drafting Brandon Miller no matter how far his draft stock and/or our pick falls.

I think anything other than full due diligence into researching him and his character (along with workouts with us & full character interviews) should be required otherwise this seems like a knee-jerk reaction. Is it a stupid mistake? Yes? Is it career-ending? We have no idea yet he's not directly tied to the crime, only indirectly.

That doesn't give media permission to deliver a punishment or even suggest it. I'm still trying to understand the timeline of the crime. It sounds like he cooperated with law enforcement fully and hasn't been charged with an offense. The guy who tweeted this story is promoting false news for 15 mins of fame.

"It's not what happens to you, but how you react to it that matters." BM should address the media and resolve this asap. He is a young man, what matters most is that he learns from this stupid mistake.

[God Squad]

Hendricks and Wallace would be ill. Both would improve our shooting without hurting our defense.

Starting to be my dream scenario at this point.

[Dalek]

Been trying to go a little deeper and look into what cooking in Europe. I remember Tristan Vukcevic from a couple years ago at 17 playing Real Madrid, and he had a very memorable game, kind of like Danilo Galinari being 6'10, able to handle and shoot. He was on the skinny side but now has filled out a bit more and is around 7'0 according Givony.

Tristan is part Swedish/Serbian now plays in Serbia for Željko Obradović one Europe's toughest coaches. His game looks improved all-around shooting 37% from three; 66 TS%; 3 BLK%; 2STL%; 13 AST%; 15 REB%; 19 PER. He did recently hurt his ankle so he might be out for a few weeks.

He projects as a stretch four/five, but he still looks fairly mobile to attack closeouts, so I wonder if you could play him at SF. I don't think I have enough film to show it, but I really see some vision with his passes, pitch-aheads, behind the back off the dribble. I do think this guy is a first round talent, but I am not sure how the NCAA centric draft crowd sees him.

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[dozo]

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Bilal top 10 in 2024 , hopefully he enters in 2023

2023 Projected late 1st rounders Kobe Bufkin, Noah Clowney and Julian Phillips are also on the list.

Bilal Coulibaly highlights are impressive. His ability to
absorb contact on offense/defense is already at an NBA level.

I hope mgmt has the courage to buy a 2nd pick if a prospect like Sasser or Bilal fallout of the 1st rnd.

[ATLTimekeeper]

I read somewhere that Miller's car blocked the exit of the victim's vehicle. Last time I remember something like this came up was Tyreke Evans. It didn't drop his stock, but this is a different era of the league.

[ItsDanger]

Been trying to go a little deeper and look into what cooking in Europe. I remember Tristan Vukcevic from a couple years ago at 17 playing Real Madrid, and he had a very memorable game, kind of like Danilo Galinari being 6'10, able to handle and shoot. He was on the skinny side but now has filled out a bit more and is around 7'0 according Givony.

Tristan is part Swedish/Serbian now plays in Serbia for Željko Obradović one Europe's toughest coaches. His game looks improved all-around shooting 37% from three; 66 TS%; 3 BLK%; 2STL%; 13 AST%; 15 REB%; 19 PER. He did recently hurt his ankle so he might be out for a few weeks.

He projects as a stretch four/five, but he still looks fairly mobile to attack closeouts, so I wonder if you could play him at SF. I don't think I have enough film to show it, but I really see some vision with his passes, pitch-aheads, behind the back off the dribble. I do think this guy is a first round talent, but I am not sure how the NCAA centric draft crowd sees him.

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I don't think he's quick enough to defend 3s and 4s. Can he attack 3s off the dribble using his size? maybe. He pulled out of '22 draft likely to improve on aspects of his game. Don't know if he did. Looks bigger, is a solid shooter. Reminds me of Dario Saric type player.

[Dalek]

Been trying to go a little deeper and look into what cooking in Europe. I remember Tristan Vukcevic from a couple years ago at 17 playing Real Madrid, and he had a very memorable game, kind of like Danilo Galinari being 6'10, able to handle and shoot. He was on the skinny side but now has filled out a bit more and is around 7'0 according Givony.

Tristan is part Swedish/Serbian now plays in Serbia for Željko Obradović one Europe's toughest coaches. His game looks improved all-around shooting 37% from three; 66 TS%; 3 BLK%; 2STL%; 13 AST%; 15 REB%; 19 PER. He did recently hurt his ankle so he might be out for a few weeks.

He projects as a stretch four/five, but he still looks fairly mobile to attack closeouts, so I wonder if you could play him at SF. I don't think I have enough film to show it, but I really see some vision with his passes, pitch-aheads, behind the back off the dribble. I do think this guy is a first round talent, but I am not sure how the NCAA centric draft crowd sees him.

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I don't think he's quick enough to defend 3s and 4s. Can he attack 3s off the dribble using his size? maybe. He pulled out of '22 draft likely to improve on aspects of his game. Don't know if he did. Looks bigger, is a solid shooter. Reminds me of Dario Saric type player.

Maybe Saric is a good baseline for him. Still, Vukcevic is a bit taller and I just think he might do well in a more spaced NBA offense. On defense as you mentioned, it will be tough but I do see him as a fluid mover for his size. The other positive, despite being around in draft circles for a couple years, he is still only just 20 by the time of the draft.

As far as the draft, I see Kyle Filipowski who is very similar player ranked in the 20s. I feel like Vuckevic was in the States he would be getting much more buzz.

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Been trying to go a little deeper and look into what cooking in Europe. I remember Tristan Vukcevic from a couple years ago at 17 playing Real Madrid, and he had a very memorable game, kind of like Danilo Galinari being 6'10, able to handle and shoot. He was on the skinny side but now has filled out a bit more and is around 7'0 according Givony.

Tristan is part Swedish/Serbian now plays in Serbia for Željko Obradović one Europe's toughest coaches. His game looks improved all-around shooting 37% from three; 66 TS%; 3 BLK%; 2STL%; 13 AST%; 15 REB%; 19 PER. He did recently hurt his ankle so he might be out for a few weeks.

He projects as a stretch four/five, but he still looks fairly mobile to attack closeouts, so I wonder if you could play him at SF. I don't think I have enough film to show it, but I really see some vision with his passes, pitch-aheads, behind the back off the dribble. I do think this guy is a first round talent, but I am not sure how the NCAA centric draft crowd sees him.

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I don't think he's quick enough to defend 3s and 4s. Can he attack 3s off the dribble using his size? maybe. He pulled out of '22 draft likely to improve on aspects of his game. Don't know if he did. Looks bigger, is a solid shooter. Reminds me of Dario Saric type player.

Maybe Saric is a good baseline for him. Still, Vukcevic is a bit taller and I just think he might do well in a more spaced NBA offense. On defense as you mentioned, it will be tough but I do see him as a fluid mover for his size. The other positive, despite being around in draft circles for a couple years, he is still only just 20 by the time of the draft.

As far as the draft, I see Kyle Filipowski who is very similar player ranked in the 20s. I feel like Vuckevic was in the States he would be getting much more buzz.

Dragan Bender minimum?

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

I'm hoping we finish sixth to avoid the play-in.

1 Wemby
2 Scoot
3 Miller
4 Whitemore
5 Smith
6 Walker
7 Amen Thompson
8 Black
9 Ausar Thompson
10 Hendricks

That will probably round out the top 10 (some order). The next 5-7 guys feel like they are in our range.

11 Wallace
12 George
13 Dick
14 Howard
15 Hood-Schifino
16 Murray
17 Rupert

I would go with Rupert or Coulibaly. They are long guards with 7ish foot wingspans that can play point of attack defense and spread the floor. Both will be 19 in their rookie year and we can mould him through the 905.

Poeltl - Koloko
Siakam - Boucher
Barnes - Achiuwa
Trent - Rupert
Fred - Banton

I guess OG goes for picks but getting back a good back up PG prospect for him could make Fred expendable if he continues to have fit issues.

Aside from Wembanyama, whole lotta question marks there in that list of the top 17 you have. I feel only decent about Gradey Richard, Scootish Henderson, Anthonio Black, and Rupert seems intriguing.

[ItsDanger]

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Watched that game, looked like a top 5 candidate. Black also looked real good along with Council. He was getting beaten off the dribble but his defense wasn't the worse.

[grant101]

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Watched that game, looked like a top 5 candidate. Black also looked real good along with Council. He was getting beaten off the dribble but his defense wasn't the worse.

First college game of his where I'm kind getting what all the hype was about. I'll give him a pass on his defence for now (though he's for sure going to be picked on in the league). Really good touch on those floaters. Reminds me a bit of CJ Mccollum