2023 Miami Heat Regular Season Thread - Westbrook and Love edition

[IceColdCubano]

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So many former Heat scrubs still available

He forgot to mention Michael Beasley and Mario Chalmers...

How many wins does this team get?

Aldridge / Whiteside
Ibaka / Beasley
Barton / Johnson
Ellington / Brown
Wall / Chalmers

With how this team has played to date we would problably lose to them half as much as we would win playing them 4 times in a year.

[HEATVols865]

So we used the bi-annual to sign Love. Probably meaning we expect to be above the tax apron next season.


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[AirP.]

So we used the bi-annual to sign Love. Probably meaning we expect to be above the tax apron next season.


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This has been a concern all season, the team is projected over the tax with only 8-9 players under contract next year, so another 5-6 players have to be added to go even deeper into the tax and this doesn't even count resigning anyone like Vincent, Strus or Yurtseven. Also, Miami is just around the tax line if Oladipo opts out.

[Lennyzinho]

So we used the bi-annual to sign Love. Probably meaning we expect to be above the tax apron next season.


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This has been a concern all season, the team is projected over the tax with only 8-9 players under contract next year, so another 5-6 players have to be added to go even deeper into the tax and this doesn't even count resigning anyone like Vincent, Strus or Yurtseven. Also, Miami is just around the tax line if Oladipo opts out.

It's a pretty big reason why we didn't make moves this trade deadline and got rid of Dedmon. We just didn't have the contracts or assets to make any better deals for us.

Being below the tax was a priority because I fully expect the Heat to go into the tax next year. If Love plays well and wants to stay, we could have 4 core depth players needing to be resigned in Love, Dipo, Strus, Gabe. I don't see us keeping all of them unfortunately.
(some of you will be happy to see Strus gone I guess, but I won't). Omer is a RFA with a 2.2M qualifying offer.

BUT. Big but. We could potentially keep all of them if we pull off an offseason Lowry trade. Also, we could carry a big tax bill and then get much closer to the tax line by the trade deadline. Prime opportunity to try to pull off a Lowry trade at that point or maybe Duncan to a team with capspace and playing time available. If Westbrook can get moved at 47M, we can move Lowry at 29.6M. In reality, I expect us to be a tax team next year but Lowry will be gone one way or another by 2024-2025 and then we will actually be able to move on from Duncan with only 1.5-2 years left (with last year 50% guaranteed) and we get back under the tax and avoid any kind of repeater situation. I think that has always been the plan.

Not be a tax team in 2023. Try not to be a tax team in 2024 but OK if fielding a competitive team and trying to get under line. Not be a tax team in 2025.

[Lennyzinho]

Woah... I did not know this...
In July 2022 Dame signed a 2year 121M extension.
So he has a cap hit of 46M next year. (Lowry + Herro make 57M next year - so I was pushing for a trade. Get much better and cut cap)
49M 2024-2025 (age 34) still fine.
58.5M 2025-2026 (age 35) wait what?
63.4M 2026-2027 (age 36) omg pls stop no

I think I want to get off the Dame to Miami train at the next stop.

[ShulaDon92]

Woah... I did not know this...
In July 2022 Dame signed a 2year 121M extension.
So he has a cap hit of 46M next year. (Lowry + Herro make 57M next year - so I was pushing for a trade. Get much better and cut cap)
49M 2024-2025 (age 34) still fine.
58.5M 2025-2026 (age 35) wait what?
63.4M 2026-2027 (age 36) omg pls stop no

I think I want to get off the Dame to Miami train at the next stop.

Oh no but that's that kids favorite player and he owns this board. Retract your statement now!

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

Woah... I did not know this...
In July 2022 Dame signed a 2year 121M extension.
So he has a cap hit of 46M next year. (Lowry + Herro make 57M next year - so I was pushing for a trade. Get much better and cut cap)
49M 2024-2025 (age 34) still fine.
58.5M 2025-2026 (age 35) wait what?
63.4M 2026-2027 (age 36) omg pls stop no

I think I want to get off the Dame to Miami train at the next stop.

Oh no but that's that kids favorite player and he owns this board. Retract your statement now!

You probably think Gabes better, at least you’re posting while your sober this morning

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[MartyCONLONNN]

Woah... I did not know this...
In July 2022 Dame signed a 2year 121M extension.
So he has a cap hit of 46M next year. (Lowry + Herro make 57M next year - so I was pushing for a trade. Get much better and cut cap)
49M 2024-2025 (age 34) still fine.
58.5M 2025-2026 (age 35) wait what?
63.4M 2026-2027 (age 36) omg pls stop no

I think I want to get off the Dame to Miami train at the next stop.

Oh no but that's that kids favorite player and he owns this board. Retract your statement now!

I think plenty of us would embrace Dame being here. It's not really a hot take either... he's one of the best scorers in the game and would be an incredible fit skillwise between Bam and Jimmy.

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[MiamiLoyal926]

Woah... I did not know this...
In July 2022 Dame signed a 2year 121M extension.
So he has a cap hit of 46M next year. (Lowry + Herro make 57M next year - so I was pushing for a trade. Get much better and cut cap)
49M 2024-2025 (age 34) still fine.
58.5M 2025-2026 (age 35) wait what?
63.4M 2026-2027 (age 36) omg pls stop no

I think I want to get off the Dame to Miami train at the next stop.

That contract is definitely ugly and something to be scared about. Makes me think of the Westbrook and CP3 contracts we tried to avoid a few years ago. One panned out, the other flopped hard. You never know if said player would live out that contract. Look at Lowry… we hate him as a 30mil player. May not be so upset at 18mil, but at 30mil, you feel cheated. Imagine Dame at 63.4mil and a drop off in production at that age.

[IceColdCubano]

Woah... I did not know this...
In July 2022 Dame signed a 2year 121M extension.
So he has a cap hit of 46M next year. (Lowry + Herro make 57M next year - so I was pushing for a trade. Get much better and cut cap)
49M 2024-2025 (age 34) still fine.
58.5M 2025-2026 (age 35) wait what?
63.4M 2026-2027 (age 36) omg pls stop no

I think I want to get off the Dame to Miami train at the next stop.

That contract is definitely ugly and something to be scared about. Makes me think of the Westbrook and CP3 contracts we tried to avoid a few years ago. One panned out, the other flopped hard. You never know if said player would live out that contract. Look at Lowry… we hate him as a 30mil player. May not be so upset at 18mil, but at 30mil, you feel cheated. Imagine Dame at 63.4mil and a drop off in production at that age.

Its a definate concern having so much money tied to one player. Hard to fill up the rest of the roster, we fell in this trap when lebron was here, outside of the big 3 we had to have undraftees and minimun players.

[MiamiLoyal926]

Woah... I did not know this...
In July 2022 Dame signed a 2year 121M extension.
So he has a cap hit of 46M next year. (Lowry + Herro make 57M next year - so I was pushing for a trade. Get much better and cut cap)
49M 2024-2025 (age 34) still fine.
58.5M 2025-2026 (age 35) wait what?
63.4M 2026-2027 (age 36) omg pls stop no

I think I want to get off the Dame to Miami train at the next stop.

That contract is definitely ugly and something to be scared about. Makes me think of the Westbrook and CP3 contracts we tried to avoid a few years ago. One panned out, the other flopped hard. You never know if said player would live out that contract. Look at Lowry… we hate him as a 30mil player. May not be so upset at 18mil, but at 30mil, you feel cheated. Imagine Dame at 63.4mil and a drop off in production at that age.

Its a definate concern having so much money tied to one player. Hard to fill up the rest of the roster, we fell in this trap when lebron was here, outside of the big 3 we had to have undraftees and minimun players.

That contract makes you question how many assets you should really invest into such a risky contract. Is it really worth Lowry + Herro + a bunch of 1sts? After some thought… I think not. Portland would be foolish not to try to move him before his value starts to depreciate drastically. They can still catch another team in a vulnerable state, willing to gamble that he will not decline drastically.

[Flash4thewin]

So we used the bi-annual to sign Love. Probably meaning we expect to be above the tax apron next season.


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This has been a concern all season, the team is projected over the tax with only 8-9 players under contract next year, so another 5-6 players have to be added to go even deeper into the tax and this doesn't even count resigning anyone like Vincent, Strus or Yurtseven. Also, Miami is just around the tax line if Oladipo opts out.

It's a pretty big reason why we didn't make moves this trade deadline and got rid of Dedmon. We just didn't have the contracts or assets to make any better deals for us.

Being below the tax was a priority because I fully expect the Heat to go into the tax next year. If Love plays well and wants to stay, we could have 4 core depth players needing to be resigned in Love, Dipo, Strus, Gabe. I don't see us keeping all of them unfortunately.
(some of you will be happy to see Strus gone I guess, but I won't). Omer is a RFA with a 2.2M qualifying offer.

BUT. Big but. We could potentially keep all of them if we pull off an offseason Lowry trade. Also, we could carry a big tax bill and then get much closer to the tax line by the trade deadline. Prime opportunity to try to pull off a Lowry trade at that point or maybe Duncan to a team with capspace and playing time available. If Westbrook can get moved at 47M, we can move Lowry at 29.6M. In reality, I expect us to be a tax team next year but Lowry will be gone one way or another by 2024-2025 and then we will actually be able to move on from Duncan with only 1.5-2 years left (with last year 50% guaranteed) and we get back under the tax and avoid any kind of repeater situation. I think that has always been the plan.

Not be a tax team in 2023. Try not to be a tax team in 2024 but OK if fielding a competitive team and trying to get under line. Not be a tax team in 2025.

No one is touching Duncan rightfully so thats a lost cause until he becomes an expiring in 4 years time. But the real interesting question is, do we give up one unprotected first round draft pick to move Lowry to a team that has cap space. The only teams with that type of cap space are the spurs an the Jazz.

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[Flash4thewin]

That contract is definitely ugly and something to be scared about. Makes me think of the Westbrook and CP3 contracts we tried to avoid a few years ago. One panned out, the other flopped hard. You never know if said player would live out that contract. Look at Lowry… we hate him as a 30mil player. May not be so upset at 18mil, but at 30mil, you feel cheated. Imagine Dame at 63.4mil and a drop off in production at that age.

Its a definate concern having so much money tied to one player. Hard to fill up the rest of the roster, we fell in this trap when lebron was here, outside of the big 3 we had to have undraftees and minimun players.

That contract makes you question how many assets you should really invest into such a risky contract. Is it really worth Lowry + Herro + a bunch of 1sts? After some thought… I think not. Portland would be foolish not to try to move him before his value starts to depreciate drastically. They can still catch another team in a vulnerable state, willing to gamble that he will not decline drastically.

The same can be said about us and Butler. He will be getting paid 50 million and we are seeing with our own two eyes just how "Motivated" just how "Passionate" just how "Resilient" he is in the regular season. Dame at least plays with passion and effort all season long.

[Kobewade11]

Dame misses more time a year than Jimmy. What are we even talking about here

[MiamiLoyal926]

Its a definate concern having so much money tied to one player. Hard to fill up the rest of the roster, we fell in this trap when lebron was here, outside of the big 3 we had to have undraftees and minimun players.

That contract makes you question how many assets you should really invest into such a risky contract. Is it really worth Lowry + Herro + a bunch of 1sts? After some thought… I think not. Portland would be foolish not to try to move him before his value starts to depreciate drastically. They can still catch another team in a vulnerable state, willing to gamble that he will not decline drastically.

The same can be said about us and Butler. He will be getting paid 50 million and we are seeing with our own two eyes just how "Motivated" just how "Passionate" just how "Resilient" he is in the regular season. Dame at least plays with passion and effort all season long.

I am with you… Butler is our Dame. Increasing costs with a declining output = a quickly depreciating asset. Would it be wise to have 2 of those on the roster? Add to that Duncan… yikes! That is why I say we should not throw too many assets at Portland for Dame. We may be sitting on a very ugly situation in 3 years.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Dame has a sort of poison pill in his contract. It’s cap killing if teams are not careful. I don’t see us jumping in on that after looking at the numbers.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Herro’s contract looks like chump change looking over some of these extension deals. Beal’s number is also a huge kick in the balls in the back end