Dalano Banton Discussion / Appreciation

[DreamTeam09]

He's taking up a spot that we gave to Joe Wisekamp and y'all are crying about someone not developing quickly enough lol FFS...

We just saw a number 2 pick get traded for 2nds while still on his rookie deal and y'all are complaining about a 2nd rounder, y'all are on a high horse.

Meanwhile we have Flynn here who we've invested 4yrs into and he hasn't improved on a single thing.

[HumbleRen]

Lol at comparing Dalano to a Malcolm Brogdon or a Donte

Dalano will be out of the league within 2 years. No hate to the guy but he’s a late 2nd round pick, not sure what people expected out of him.

expectations were as high as a top 10 pick

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Nasty ass thread lol.

[ItsDanger]

If Banton was a top 10 pick, this front office would be getting blasted a lot more on here than they are now. What a terrible thread

[nikster]

I happen to think that Delano is still developing and is better suited to playing more in the g-league.

I know that a Delano/Delon archetype point guard is literally what this team needs. Think Malcolm Brogdon or Donte DiVincenzo.

He can't shoot, he can't dribble penetrate and commits turnover on his rate despite his extremely low usage. He belongs in the G league and needs to prove that he can play even at that level. He's occupying space on the bench nothing more.

He demonstrated that last year. Free throw % and ast / turnover were still issues, but he put up strong numbers in the G-League in 2021/2022. His numbers are down this year which is discouraging, but to suggest he hasn't demonstrated he can play at the G-League level is not accurate.

2021 / 2022: 33.6 MIN / 24.5 PTS / 51.1% FG / 39.3% 3PT / 54.6% FT / 8.9 REB / 5.9 AST / 2.9 TOV
2022 / 2023: 33.0 MIN / 22.1 PTS / 45.9% FG / 30.5% 3PT / 85.2% FT / 7.0 REB / 4.6 AST / 3.3 TOV

I still have hope for Banton as a rotation / end of bench player.

I was discouraged in a recent NBA game where he got minutes though. He did not look engaged or focused. There was a specific play against the Magic where he walked back slowly on defence and Nurse or someone had to yell at him because the Magic pushed it quickly after an inbound. It wasn't a good look.

It always surprises me when a player does get minutes and an opportunity that they are not 100% locked in. I like Dowtin for this, cause even though he kind of looks insane, when he plays, he is zeroed in.

He still has serious flaws at the G league level. I watched a game this season against the Celtics G league team, it was a game in which he was shooting pretty well (21 points 8-13 shooting) but the coaching staff could not trust him to close out a tight game...in the G league.

We've seen flashes of his positives but I dont think he will ever be a rotation NBA player

[redeye514]

Still holding out hope for Banton, but agree with most that he really hasn't showed much in NBA action. He had a breakout game 2-3 months ago that had me thinking (wishful hoping) that he might be turning a corner, but instead, seems to have just relaxed since. Weird.

Having said that (and this isn't really a defense of Banton, as much as it is a defense of all our fringe rotation guys / slight attack on Nurse + Coaching), but NOBODY seems to play good off the bench for us. Nobody is given a long leash to work through ish.. and I know its easy to say its on the player to prove it, but maybe our structure in the rotation + role definition has to do with it too. We've seen guys come from our development system and go elsewhere and shine in their role as a role player, Yuta being the latest example, but hardly the first.

There was a rumour that the Spurs wanted Banton in the Poetle deal.. I speculate that Masai preferred to give up a second SRP instead, which leads me to believe that management still has hopes + expectation for him.

[Dennis 37]

Still holding out hope for Banton, but agree with most that he really hasn't showed much in NBA action. He had a breakout game 2-3 months ago that had me thinking (wishful hoping) that he might be turning a corner, but instead, seems to have just relaxed since. Weird.

Having said that (and this isn't really a defense of Banton, as much as it is a defense of all our fringe rotation guys / slight attack on Nurse + Coaching), but NOBODY seems to play good off the bench for us. Nobody is given a long leash to work through ish.. and I know its easy to say its on the player to prove it, but maybe our structure in the rotation + role definition has to do with it too. We've seen guys come from our development system and go elsewhere and shine in their role as a role player, Yuta being the latest example, but hardly the first.

There was a rumour that the Spurs wanted Banton in the Poeltl deal.. I speculate that Masai preferred to give up a second SRP instead, which leads me to believe that management still has hopes + expectation for him.

Exactly. If the Spurs thought they could make something of Banton, why isn't our team doing more? He came into the season full of confidence and it is certainly not the same now. Banton's enthusiasm is down from last year, Scottie's enthusiam is down from last year. There is a problem.

As for redeye's comment about role definition, you can't put Banton out there with Fred, with Fred wanting to be the PG and expect Banton to shine. Banton is a sparkplug who increases the pace of the team. When Fred is on the floor, Banton will have no effect on pace.

[Dennis 37]

He can't shoot, he can't dribble penetrate and commits turnover on his rate despite his extremely low usage. He belongs in the G league and needs to prove that he can play even at that level. He's occupying space on the bench nothing more.

He demonstrated that last year. Free throw % and ast / turnover were still issues, but he put up strong numbers in the G-League in 2021/2022. His numbers are down this year which is discouraging, but to suggest he hasn't demonstrated he can play at the G-League level is not accurate.

2021 / 2022: 33.6 MIN / 24.5 PTS / 51.1% FG / 39.3% 3PT / 54.6% FT / 8.9 REB / 5.9 AST / 2.9 TOV
2022 / 2023: 33.0 MIN / 22.1 PTS / 45.9% FG / 30.5% 3PT / 85.2% FT / 7.0 REB / 4.6 AST / 3.3 TOV

I still have hope for Banton as a rotation / end of bench player.

I was discouraged in a recent NBA game where he got minutes though. He did not look engaged or focused. There was a specific play against the Magic where he walked back slowly on defence and Nurse or someone had to yell at him because the Magic pushed it quickly after an inbound. It wasn't a good look.

It always surprises me when a player does get minutes and an opportunity that they are not 100% locked in. I like Dowtin for this, cause even though he kind of looks insane, when he plays, he is zeroed in.

He still has serious flaws at the G league level. I watched a game this season against the Celtics G league team, it was a game in which he was shooting pretty well (21 points 8-13 shooting) but the coaching staff could not trust him to close out a tight game...in the G league.

We've seen flashes of his positives but I dont think he will ever be a rotation NBA player

We're not expecting him to close out games. We see his flaw as shooting, so if he goes 8 for 13 and he increases the pace when he comes in, that's all we need for 6 minutes a night. Flynn can play another 6 minutes and we have Fred down to 30 to 34 , which gives us the best possible Fred, who is at his best when he is rested and sucks when he is tired.

[nikster]

He demonstrated that last year. Free throw % and ast / turnover were still issues, but he put up strong numbers in the G-League in 2021/2022. His numbers are down this year which is discouraging, but to suggest he hasn't demonstrated he can play at the G-League level is not accurate.

2021 / 2022: 33.6 MIN / 24.5 PTS / 51.1% FG / 39.3% 3PT / 54.6% FT / 8.9 REB / 5.9 AST / 2.9 TOV
2022 / 2023: 33.0 MIN / 22.1 PTS / 45.9% FG / 30.5% 3PT / 85.2% FT / 7.0 REB / 4.6 AST / 3.3 TOV

I still have hope for Banton as a rotation / end of bench player.

I was discouraged in a recent NBA game where he got minutes though. He did not look engaged or focused. There was a specific play against the Magic where he walked back slowly on defence and Nurse or someone had to yell at him because the Magic pushed it quickly after an inbound. It wasn't a good look.

It always surprises me when a player does get minutes and an opportunity that they are not 100% locked in. I like Dowtin for this, cause even though he kind of looks insane, when he plays, he is zeroed in.

He still has serious flaws at the G league level. I watched a game this season against the Celtics G league team, it was a game in which he was shooting pretty well (21 points 8-13 shooting) but the coaching staff could not trust him to close out a tight game...in the G league.

We've seen flashes of his positives but I dont think he will ever be a rotation NBA player

We're not expecting him to close out games. We see his flaw as shooting, so if he goes 8 for 13 and he increases the pace when he comes in, that's all we need for 6 minutes a night. Flynn can play another 6 minutes and we have Fred down to 30 to 34 , which gives us the best possible Fred, who is at his best when he is rested and sucks when he is tired.

We're not expecting him to close out games at the NBA level, surprising he's not impactful enough at the G league level to close games. And again 8-13 is a good game from him better than his g league averages. he's shooting 30% from 3 this year in the g league.

[Dennis 37]

He still has serious flaws at the G league level. I watched a game this season against the Celtics G league team, it was a game in which he was shooting pretty well (21 points 8-13 shooting) but the coaching staff could not trust him to close out a tight game...in the G league.

We've seen flashes of his positives but I dont think he will ever be a rotation NBA player

We're not expecting him to close out games. We see his flaw as shooting, so if he goes 8 for 13 and he increases the pace when he comes in, that's all we need for 6 minutes a night. Flynn can play another 6 minutes and we have Fred down to 30 to 34 , which gives us the best possible Fred, who is at his best when he is rested and sucks when he is tired.

We're not expecting him to close out games at the NBA level, surprising he's not impactful enough at the G league level to close games. And again 8-13 is a good game from him better than his g league averages. he's shooting 30% from 3 this year in the g league.

Dalano Banton's strength is not 3 point shooting. Not sure why he can't be on the floor in the G-league when his assists are higher than his turnovers and he shoots free throws at a 85%? Also, they have him listed as a forward. That is not his strength. Maybe he doesn't finish because they have him playing out of position and they have forwards with better 3 point shots. The man passes like a point guard.

[NotMyKawhi]

theres no reason flynn should ever play before Buju

[Merit]

Lol at comparing Dalano to a Malcolm Brogdon or a Donte

Dalano will be out of the league within 2 years. No hate to the guy but he’s a late 2nd round pick, not sure what people expected out of him.

Archetype, man. I literally said archetype - as in the type of player he would ideally turn out to be, not the player he is now. A tall PG who can change the pace, shoot a little and guard up.

[Johnny Bball]

Imagine being so bitter you hate on the home town kid that was a 2nd round pick too. Banton has enough upside to keep around and play plenty more minutes.

[Psubs]

I can see Banton having a Delon Wright level career as a backup combo guard.

[Dalek]

I think his player archetype is just so rare how at his size he can handle the ball and with his reach, pretty much get to the rim every time in transition or semi-transition. Despite playing less minutes than last season, he has improved most of his shooting percentages/efficiency.

The problem is his feel for running point. I think he hasn't shown the ability to make others better around him, and he doesn't really command the floor when he is on-court.

He can look the part in G-League, which is why you hold out hope for him:

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[HiJiNX]

Given how things have gone the last two years, and if they continue this way, I can see the Raptors no longer being a desired destination for young fringe NBA players to develop. We simply haven’t done a good job at that recently. Worse than a lack of playing time is how we have yo-yo’d the confidence out of players. We’ve seen how a lack on confidence has ruined a guy like Ben Simmons, who is really talented so imagine how a lack of confidence impacts players who barely have the skill to make the NBA and are hoping for opportunities to get better.

That is to say that I still think Banton has the ability, physical tools and instincts to stick in the league for a 7-10 year career but those hopes are dwindling fast.

[HiJiNX]

Waste yute.

A waste yute that will make millions of dollars playing pro ball over the next 10-15 years of his life haha.

[deeps6x]

Why are we even having a discussion on a token wasteman from Rexdale? This guy's is eating up space that can be used for some useful bench depth. I don't ever want to see this guy even on garbage minutes. The definition of poor man's Shawn Livingston and he's not even half of a player of an after injury Livingston. Dowtin should get the majority of his minutes even Weiskamp since he can shoot and Harper since he is good rebounder, what abilities does Banton posses other than being a "tall" PG who can't break down a defense?

I happen to think that Delano is still developing and is better suited to playing more in the g-league.

I know that a Delano/Delon archetype point guard is literally what this team needs. Think Malcolm Brogdon or Donte DiVincenzo.

Lonzo is the perfect PG for us imo

Just No
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[Harcore Fenton Mun]

I still think he's a SF masquerading as a PG. No need to force him here, just let him be a scorer.

[Merit]

I happen to think that Delano is still developing and is better suited to playing more in the g-league.

I know that a Delano/Delon archetype point guard is literally what this team needs. Think Malcolm Brogdon or Donte DiVincenzo.

Lonzo is the perfect PG for us imo

Just No
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oh please. A healthy Lonzo is exactly what this team needs. Only thing missing is driving - otherwise, he can play with anyone. Is a plus plus defender, can rebound the ball, is an incredible passer, shoots the 3 deceptively well, instantly elevates our bench units, provides connective passing there as well.

Think an offensive impact similar to Trent (not the same style, just the same impact), with the defensive impact of Poeltl. So basically a bigger Fred who can guard the point of attack and allows us to play giant lineups.

[Kevin Willis]

Banton is a second round pick. He was drafted one slot ahead of David Johnson, who nobody cares about, and the expectation on Banton to do well is too high. Right now he's better than the G-League but not good enough to be in the NBA. The next year will show where he goes, it's not like he was setting NCAA on fire, this is pretty much where he should be and he probably exceeded where he should be.

I don't think our development team is broken or anything. Dowtin has improved this year. Champagnie improved before wanting out. Harper Jr. is 17/5/3 on almost 50/40/80. 2/1 for A/TO. Nobody cares about him. Boucher improved. GT Jr. improved. He is not fast or explosive. His passing IQ is not that high. Not a great rebounder for his height. Can't shoot FTs well. HIs ceiling might be a rotational player next year and that is still very good.