Brandon Miller - Alabama

[ConSarnit]

Ok but Miles had left his stuff, including the gun, in Miller's car. what if Miller was just bringing up his stuff?

what is Miller gonna do? keep the gun and never give it back to Miles? lol

Dear lord. It's in the freaking police report that Miles asked Miller to bring him his gun. Not his hat. Not his sunglasses. Not his wallet. Not his "stuff". His gun. That's the information we have to go on. Are you being willfully obtuse for a reason here?

I know that I always make sure to return my friend's gun to him outside of a bar at 130am on a Saturday night. Completely normal stuff there.

and the same people that put that police report together and accumulated all the evidence decided there wasn't enough to charge the kid with

weird how some of you are unwilling to understand this concept.

and yes, it's actually very normal stuff. A gun is someone's property and if Miles was asking for it back I certainly wouldn't want someone else's gun on me that I don't need or want...so yea I'd take it back to them. im not sure how or why that's weird to you.

Many people here are talking about Alabama and how they are doing nothing about their star athlete being involved in a murder. That is part of the picture here. Everyone understands there may not be enough evidence to charge Miller. What they don't understand is how Alabama is just choosing to let this slide.

We are not privy to the texts but you were the one who kept saying "maybe he just asked for his stuff" while the police report very specifically mentions he asked for his gun. You couldn't be bothered to read 30 seconds of an article (or pay attention to something mentioned numerous times in this thread) yet you kept spouting off conjecture. I really don't know why I am wasting my time with you. It absolutely is not worth it.

[clyde21]

Dear lord. It's in the freaking police report that Miles asked Miller to bring him his gun. Not his hat. Not his sunglasses. Not his wallet. Not his "stuff". His gun. That's the information we have to go on. Are you being willfully obtuse for a reason here?

I know that I always make sure to return my friend's gun to him outside of a bar at 130am on a Saturday night. Completely normal stuff there.

and the same people that put that police report together and accumulated all the evidence decided there wasn't enough to charge the kid with

weird how some of you are unwilling to understand this concept.

and yes, it's actually very normal stuff. A gun is someone's property and if Miles was asking for it back I certainly wouldn't want someone else's gun on me that I don't need or want...so yea I'd take it back to them. im not sure how or why that's weird to you.

You genuinely can not be **** serious... The guy literally texted him that he "Needed" his gun cause someone was done fakin. Miller knew that his friend wanted to gun to smoke someone. If you seriously don't see an issue in this situation then there is something genuinely wrong with you.


And regardless of the Miller situation. You're responsibility as a friend is NOT to give your friend a gun when you know exactly they are about to shoot someone. Nevermind that you're responsibility as a human being is not to do so as well. Miller is a piece of **** trashbag that is directly responsible for the death of a innocent woman. **** him

go ahead and post the actual texts between them that proves intent/knowing what was about to go down. bc I find it hard to believe that Miller would go without even an arrest if intent was declared.

otherwise give us a break with the melodrama. if you want to blame Miller for being stupid or a **** friend go right ahead, but we're talking about people's lives here and I won't throw this kid under the bus until we know the facts...until then we should all defer to the investigation that concluded there was nothing to charge Miller with.

[azcatz11]

Of course he knew. The police report specifically says Miles contacted Miller and told him to bring his gun. Miller 100% knew about the gun because that was the entire reason he went to meet Miles.

Ok but Miles had left his stuff, including the gun, in Miller's car. what if Miller was just bringing up his stuff?

what is Miller gonna do? keep the gun and never give it back to Miles? lol

Dear lord. It's in the freaking police report that Miles asked Miller to bring him his gun. Not his hat. Not his sunglasses. Not his wallet. Not his "stuff". His gun. That's the information we have to go on. Are you being willfully obtuse for a reason here?

I know that I always make sure to return my friend's gun to him outside of a bar at 130am on a Saturday night. Completely normal stuff there.

People keep mentioning this...what's normal to you may not be normal to someone else. It's almost like it's illegal to do anything after midnight lol

[clyde21]

Dear lord. It's in the freaking police report that Miles asked Miller to bring him his gun. Not his hat. Not his sunglasses. Not his wallet. Not his "stuff". His gun. That's the information we have to go on. Are you being willfully obtuse for a reason here?

I know that I always make sure to return my friend's gun to him outside of a bar at 130am on a Saturday night. Completely normal stuff there.

and the same people that put that police report together and accumulated all the evidence decided there wasn't enough to charge the kid with

weird how some of you are unwilling to understand this concept.

and yes, it's actually very normal stuff. A gun is someone's property and if Miles was asking for it back I certainly wouldn't want someone else's gun on me that I don't need or want...so yea I'd take it back to them. im not sure how or why that's weird to you.

Many people here are talking about Alabama and how they are doing nothing about their star athlete being involved in a murder. That is part of the picture here. Everyone understands there may not be enough evidence to charge Miller. What they don't understand is how Alabama is just choosing to let this slide.

We are not privy to the texts but you were the one who kept saying "maybe he just asked for his stuff" while the police report very specifically mentions he asked for his gun. You couldn't be bothered to read 30 seconds of an article (or pay attention to something mentioned numerous times in this thread) yet you kept spouting off conjecture. I really don't know why I am wasting my time with you. It absolutely is not worth it.

Yes, because I'd rather give Miller the benefit of the doubt, along with the investigation that concluded there wasn't enough to arrest/charge him with, instead of kicking and screaming online about **** I don't know about.

i know some of yall are out for blood so if an Alabama suspension makes you feel better fine, I don't really give a ****. Just painting a scenario of why he wasn't charged.

[SeattleJazzFan]

and the same people that put that police report together and accumulated all the evidence decided there wasn't enough to charge the kid with

weird how some of you are unwilling to understand this concept.

and yes, it's actually very normal stuff. A gun is someone's property and if Miles was asking for it back I certainly wouldn't want someone else's gun on me that I don't need or want...so yea I'd take it back to them. im not sure how or why that's weird to you.

Many people here are talking about Alabama and how they are doing nothing about their star athlete being involved in a murder. That is part of the picture here. Everyone understands there may not be enough evidence to charge Miller. What they don't understand is how Alabama is just choosing to let this slide.

We are not privy to the texts but you were the one who kept saying "maybe he just asked for his stuff" while the police report very specifically mentions he asked for his gun. You couldn't be bothered to read 30 seconds of an article (or pay attention to something mentioned numerous times in this thread) yet you kept spouting off conjecture. I really don't know why I am wasting my time with you. It absolutely is not worth it.

Yes, because I'd rather give Miller the benefit of the doubt, along with the investigation that concluded there wasn't enough to arrest/charge him with, instead of kicking and screaming online about **** I don't know about.

i know some of yall are out for blood so if an Alabama suspension makes you feel better fine, I don't really give a ****. Just painting a scenario of why he wasn't charged.

c'mon, clyde. all these internet sleuths are so much smarter and know so much more than the cops and the prosecutors who have seen the video, who have interviewed eyewitnesses and who have spent hours and hours pouring over all the evidence and chose not to press charges on miller. these e-detectives who have seen what the texts say and what they've been told in reading articles are much better informed and smarter than those closest to the case and who know the law.

[clyde21]

and if your guys complaint that a player not as good as Miller would've gotten suspended/kicked off the team...maybe you're right...but welcome to the real fkn world where if you are really good at something you are given way more leeway than someone that isn't.

this true in every field or profession, everywhere in the world, has been and will always be the case. hate to break it to yall I guess.

[azcatz11]

Many people here are talking about Alabama and how they are doing nothing about their star athlete being involved in a murder. That is part of the picture here. Everyone understands there may not be enough evidence to charge Miller. What they don't understand is how Alabama is just choosing to let this slide.

We are not privy to the texts but you were the one who kept saying "maybe he just asked for his stuff" while the police report very specifically mentions he asked for his gun. You couldn't be bothered to read 30 seconds of an article (or pay attention to something mentioned numerous times in this thread) yet you kept spouting off conjecture. I really don't know why I am wasting my time with you. It absolutely is not worth it.

Yes, because I'd rather give Miller the benefit of the doubt, along with the investigation that concluded there wasn't enough to arrest/charge him with, instead of kicking and screaming online about **** I don't know about.

i know some of yall are out for blood so if an Alabama suspension makes you feel better fine, I don't really give a ****. Just painting a scenario of why he wasn't charged.

c'mon, clyde. all these internet sleuths are so much smarter and know so much more than the cops and the prosecutors who have seen the video, who have interviewed eyewitnesses and who have spent hours and hours pouring over all the evidence and chose not to press charges on miller. these e-detectives who have seen what the texts say and what they've been told in reading articles are much better informed and smarter than those closest to the case and who know the law.

That’s exactly why I’m questioning the “car being blocked” thing going around. The incident was caught on video which is why Miles was charged. He denied it at first.

It’s pretty obvious that Miller didn’t block the car in like what is being described which is why I said that word could be misleading.

[JMAC3]

I am pretty sure all these details have been mentioned, but I read that Miller was driving and they all decided to go to the club. Miller then decided to leave because it was busy and Miles decided to leave the gun in Miller car. IDK if Miller knew the gun was left there or not.

Then later Miles text him at 1:30 which for a college student is pretty normal to be out until 2am when most places close. Was Miller under the impression he was just picking them up? Was he aware that Miles wanted the gun to use it? Did Miller just want to get the gun out of his possession?

Like for me, I really wouldn't want to have the gun in my possession so in the moment returning it might actually not seem that bad.

Maybe Miller was under the impression that Miles would never shoot anyone and trusted he was a good guy. Which technically he didn't. It was the other guy.

Lastly, I think in a lot of places the story hints at Miller sought out the gun and brought it to him which he didn't. To me the fact that gun was already in his car kinda changes things a bit. Also, the woman who was killed was more so just caught in the cross fire. I don't think it was premeditated to specifically shoot and kill her. It seemed like the beef was between the boyfriend and Davis/Miles. Again Miller had no interaction in the disagreement leading up to the violence.

If the situation was Miles premediated to kill that defenseless woman and Miller had drove to Miles house to find the gun and bring it to him out of the blue. Then yes that would be a lot more alarming to me.

[tester551]

c'mon, clyde. all these internet sleuths are so much smarter and know so much more than the cops and the prosecutors who have seen the video, who have interviewed eyewitnesses and who have spent hours and hours pouring over all the evidence and chose not to press charges on miller. these e-detectives who have seen what the texts say and what they've been told in reading articles are much better informed and smarter than those closest to the case and who know the law.

A+ level snark. I like it.

Unfortunately this concept is true with almost all aspects of life now.

[SeattleJazzFan]

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[buzzkilloton]

That is his lawyers statement. He got a text to bring the weapon at 1:40 AM and brought it. That alone should warrant suspension. If he wasnt the teams star he would of been booted with the others.

The other report not from his lawyer actually said the text said "I need my joint a n***** rl just got fakin". Which if true means he 100% should of known. Of course in the court of law he might be able to say he didnt read it since he didnt reply or something.

[JMAC3]

I mean clearly he should of deleted Miles number once he asked for the gun, drove to the police station and turned the gun in and showed the officers the text messages. Throw this man in the Bermuda Triangle.

[mattao313]

I mean clearly he should of deleted Miles number once he asked for the gun, drove to the police station and turned the gun in and showed the officers the text messages. Throw this man in the Bermuda Triangle.

If my friend left his gun in my car I'm taking it back to him. What he does with his own heat is on him. I don't understand why people thinks that's so crazy.

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[EvanZ]

I mean clearly he should of deleted Miles number once he asked for the gun, drove to the police station and turned the gun in and showed the officers the text messages. Throw this man in the Bermuda Triangle.

If my friend left his gun in my car I'm taking it back to him. What he does with his own heat is on him. I don't understand why people thinks that's so crazy.

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Oh yeah at 2 am you're bringing him the gun at a parking lot at a club? What a friend.

[azcatz11]

That is his lawyers statement. He got a text to bring the weapon at 1:40 AM and brought it. That alone should warrant suspension. If he wasnt the teams star he would of been booted with the others.

The other report not from his lawyer actually said the text said "I need my joint a n***** rl just got fakin". Which if true means he 100% should of known. Of course in the court of law he might be able to say he didnt read it since he didnt reply or something.

What’s the difference what time it was?

[buzzkilloton]

That is his lawyers statement. He got a text to bring the weapon at 1:40 AM and brought it. That alone should warrant suspension. If he wasnt the teams star he would of been booted with the others.

The other report not from his lawyer actually said the text said "I need my joint a n***** rl just got fakin". Which if true means he 100% should of known. Of course in the court of law he might be able to say he didnt read it since he didnt reply or something.

What’s the difference what time it was?

1:40 AM is the time people are drunk and are more likely do dumb stuff like shoot people

[azcatz11]

That is his lawyers statement. He got a text to bring the weapon at 1:40 AM and brought it. That alone should warrant suspension. If he wasnt the teams star he would of been booted with the others.

The other report not from his lawyer actually said the text said "I need my joint a n***** rl just got fakin". Which if true means he 100% should of known. Of course in the court of law he might be able to say he didnt read it since he didnt reply or something.

What’s the difference what time it was?

1:40 AM is the time people are drunk and are more likely do dumb stuff like shoot people

Agreed but he shouldn’t be at fault for that.

It would be a very dangerous precedent to set. You don’t charge people for that.

Anyways, he will have to live the rest of his life with that guilt

[buzzkilloton]

What’s the difference what time it was?

1:40 AM is the time people are drunk and are more likely do dumb stuff like shoot people

Agreed but he shouldn’t be at fault for that.

It would be a very dangerous precedent to set. You don’t charge people for that.

Anyways, he will have to live the rest of his life with that guilt

If you're holding a drunk friends car keys and you let them take the car out and they kill a family you can get a charge in some states. What Miller did was actually worse because it was a weapon not a car.

Of course we dont know if said friend was drunk their not 21 but college kids at this time its very likely.

"Just about two weeks ago, a Florida woman was arrested for allegedly giving car keys to her intoxicated friend, who then drove and caused a fatal crash. Michelle English of Brandon, Florida, now faces criminal charges, even though she was not even in her friend’s vehicle at the time of the accident. This case brings up an important subject that many people are likely unaware of: It’s possible to face criminal charges for letting someone else drive drunk.

Florida Statutes § 784.05 states, “Whoever, through culpable negligence, exposes another person to personal injury commits a misdemeanor of the second degree…”"

Also see if this happened in Florida he would likely have a charge already. In Alabama this might not be the case. That said it at best shows very bad character and judgement. He is a student athlete with alot at stake he should know better then to get involved in this.

https://www.tampacriminalattorneys.com/criminal-defense-blog/2022/february/can-you-face-criminal-charges-for-letting-a-frie/

[mattao313]

I mean clearly he should of deleted Miles number once he asked for the gun, drove to the police station and turned the gun in and showed the officers the text messages. Throw this man in the Bermuda Triangle.

If my friend left his gun in my car I'm taking it back to him. What he does with his own heat is on him. I don't understand why people thinks that's so crazy.

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Oh yeah at 2 am you're bringing him the gun at a parking lot at a club? What a friend.

Have you ever been to any type of club? That's the time to have a gun to protect yourself. Obviously the shooters were in the wrong and created the altercation, but whenever I go out I try to keep my gun on me as much as possible. Night clubs can be really dangerous obviously by what happened here.



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[JMAC3]

1:40 AM is the time people are drunk and are more likely do dumb stuff like shoot people

Agreed but he shouldn’t be at fault for that.

It would be a very dangerous precedent to set. You don’t charge people for that.

Anyways, he will have to live the rest of his life with that guilt

If you're holding a drunk friends car keys and you let them take the car out and they kill a family you can get a charge in some states. What Miller did was actually worse because it was a weapon not a car.

"Just about two weeks ago, a Florida woman was arrested for allegedly giving car keys to her intoxicated friend, who then drove and caused a fatal crash. Michelle English of Brandon, Florida, now faces criminal charges, even though she was not even in her friend’s vehicle at the time of the accident. This case brings up an important subject that many people are likely unaware of: It’s possible to face criminal charges for letting someone else drive drunk.

Florida Statutes § 784.05 states, “Whoever, through culpable negligence, exposes another person to personal injury commits a misdemeanor of the second degree…”"

In Alabama this might not be the case of course. That said it at best shows bad character and judgement.

https://www.tampacriminalattorneys.com/criminal-defense-blog/2022/february/can-you-face-criminal-charges-for-letting-a-frie/

I mean if I give car keys to a sober person and they kill someone can I be at fault then as well?

There is no law against having a gun in your possession after midnight.

If someone comes to your house and they are drunk and you let them drive. Sure.

I feel like the equivalent here would of been Brandon Miller starting the fight, then handing a gun to his angry friend. That was not the case. Therefore I feel like this holds very little similarity.