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Re: Heat Sign Zeller and Love 

Post#41 » by eddieheatfan » Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:30 pm

Tony15 wrote:Love signing is a welcome sight....can't wait to see what Love/Bam pairing on offense looks like.

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Post#42 » by AirP. » Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:19 pm

unowen85 wrote:All the Riley haters who were dooming and glooming at the trade deadline better recognize.

What? Because he got a PF finally on the roster? Had Miami went in on getting a younger PF LAST SEASON'S DEADLINE (Rui or PJ Washington)... you know to actually have a PF backup up for the 36 year old starter (who broke down in the playoffs), maybe Miami makes the finals last year and this year that younger PF is starting which probably means Miami's record is better at this point this year.

Good lord, the team finally is signing a real PF like every other team has and it's recognize the skills time.
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Re: Heat Sign Zeller and Love 

Post#43 » by IceColdCubano » Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:29 pm

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unowen85 wrote:All the Riley haters who were dooming and glooming at the trade deadline better recognize.

What? Because he got a PF finally on the roster? Had Miami went in on getting a younger PF LAST SEASON'S DEADLINE (Rui or PJ Washington)... you know to actually have a PF backup up for the 36 year old starter (who broke down in the playoffs), maybe Miami makes the finals last year and this year that younger PF is starting which probably means Miami's record is better at this point this year.

Good lord, the team finally is signing a real PF like every other team has and it's recognize the skills time.

We need to be a little more glass half full here it seems, people want to be happy about the signing, I am still skeptical until I see it work on the floor. However how does that old adage go "Better late than never". so here we are, in the late pickup at the tale end of the season, lets see what happens. Remember "False motivation is better than no motivation at all".
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Re: Heat Sign Zeller and Love 

Post#44 » by AirP. » Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:44 pm

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unowen85 wrote:All the Riley haters who were dooming and glooming at the trade deadline better recognize.

What? Because he got a PF finally on the roster? Had Miami went in on getting a younger PF LAST SEASON'S DEADLINE (Rui or PJ Washington)... you know to actually have a PF backup up for the 36 year old starter (who broke down in the playoffs), maybe Miami makes the finals last year and this year that younger PF is starting which probably means Miami's record is better at this point this year.

Good lord, the team finally is signing a real PF like every other team has and it's recognize the skills time.

We need to be a little more glass half full here it seems, people want to be happy about the signing, I am still skeptical until I see it work on the floor. However how does that old adage go "Better late than never". so here we are, in the late pickup at the tale end of the season, lets see what happens. Remember "False motivation is better than no motivation at all".

I think Love is a great pickup for the buyout market but it didn't need to come down to hoping a PF asked out and actually picked Miami... this type of situation happened before except Aldridge went to Brooklyn. I just don't get trading assets for what your team needs or wants vs overpaying lesser players who did good in the Miami system and then a pretty high rate of those contracts being horrible and the FO having to send assets out to fix the issue.

Miami's system seems to work well with developing plyers... unknowns, imagine if they used assets to acquire players with much higher ceilings that didn't work out in their first stops and ere acquired for pennies on the dollar. Why not roll the dice that the Miami system can rehabilitate someone like Bagley, Monk, Reddish, Rui, Bamba, J.Jackson, C.White, Wiseman... vs Vincent, Strus, O.Robinson or better yet, develop both? Of course you're not going to be able to develop everyone, but why not work with a much higher pedigreed player? Maybe there's a higher fail rate with guys who think/know they're better but you have a real shot at rehabilitating a difference maker. I still can'be believe D.Robinson's contract when Miami had Strus or could have just sighed FOR CHEAP... Forbes or Monk and used that money elsewhere.
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Re: Heat Sign Zeller and Love 

Post#45 » by ShulaDon92 » Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:11 pm

AirP. wrote:
IceColdCubano wrote:
AirP. wrote:What? Because he got a PF finally on the roster? Had Miami went in on getting a younger PF LAST SEASON'S DEADLINE (Rui or PJ Washington)... you know to actually have a PF backup up for the 36 year old starter (who broke down in the playoffs), maybe Miami makes the finals last year and this year that younger PF is starting which probably means Miami's record is better at this point this year.

Good lord, the team finally is signing a real PF like every other team has and it's recognize the skills time.

We need to be a little more glass half full here it seems, people want to be happy about the signing, I am still skeptical until I see it work on the floor. However how does that old adage go "Better late than never". so here we are, in the late pickup at the tale end of the season, lets see what happens. Remember "False motivation is better than no motivation at all".

I think Love is a great pickup for the buyout market but it didn't need to come down to hoping a PF asked out and actually picked Miami... this type of situation happened before except Aldridge went to Brooklyn. I just don't get trading assets for what your team needs or wants vs overpaying lesser players who did good in the Miami system and then a pretty high rate of those contracts being horrible and the FO having to send assets out to fix the issue.

Miami's system seems to work well with developing plyers... unknowns, imagine if they used assets to acquire players with much higher ceilings that didn't work out in their first stops and ere acquired for pennies on the dollar. Why not roll the dice that the Miami system can rehabilitate someone like Bagley, Monk, Reddish, Rui, Bamba, J.Jackson, C.White, Wiseman... vs Vincent, Strus, O.Robinson or better yet, develop both? Of course you're not going to be able to develop everyone, but why not work with a much higher pedigreed player? Maybe there's a higher fail rate with guys who think/know they're better but you have a real shot at rehabilitating a difference maker. I still can'be believe D.Robinson's contract when Miami had Strus or could have just sighed FOR CHEAP... Forbes or Monk and used that money elsewhere.


After the Duncan situation, and Whiteside, an internal cap on dev players makes a ton of sense.
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Re: Heat Sign Zeller and Love 

Post#46 » by HeatFanLifer » Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:00 pm

ShulaDon92 wrote:
AirP. wrote:
IceColdCubano wrote:We need to be a little more glass half full here it seems, people want to be happy about the signing, I am still skeptical until I see it work on the floor. However how does that old adage go "Better late than never". so here we are, in the late pickup at the tale end of the season, lets see what happens. Remember "False motivation is better than no motivation at all".

I think Love is a great pickup for the buyout market but it didn't need to come down to hoping a PF asked out and actually picked Miami... this type of situation happened before except Aldridge went to Brooklyn. I just don't get trading assets for what your team needs or wants vs overpaying lesser players who did good in the Miami system and then a pretty high rate of those contracts being horrible and the FO having to send assets out to fix the issue.

Miami's system seems to work well with developing plyers... unknowns, imagine if they used assets to acquire players with much higher ceilings that didn't work out in their first stops and ere acquired for pennies on the dollar. Why not roll the dice that the Miami system can rehabilitate someone like Bagley, Monk, Reddish, Rui, Bamba, J.Jackson, C.White, Wiseman... vs Vincent, Strus, O.Robinson or better yet, develop both? Of course you're not going to be able to develop everyone, but why not work with a much higher pedigreed player? Maybe there's a higher fail rate with guys who think/know they're better but you have a real shot at rehabilitating a difference maker. I still can'be believe D.Robinson's contract when Miami had Strus or could have just sighed FOR CHEAP... Forbes or Monk and used that money elsewhere.


After the Duncan situation, and Whiteside, an internal cap on dev players makes a ton of sense.


Tyler Johnson’s contract was toxic too. His contract was dumped for Ryan Anderson’s and Anderson still has his cap hit on the books after his contract was stretched. Is TJ even still in the league? His contract stays hurting the team.
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Re: Heat Sign Zeller and Love 

Post#47 » by ShulaDon92 » Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:09 pm

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ShulaDon92 wrote:
AirP. wrote:I think Love is a great pickup for the buyout market but it didn't need to come down to hoping a PF asked out and actually picked Miami... this type of situation happened before except Aldridge went to Brooklyn. I just don't get trading assets for what your team needs or wants vs overpaying lesser players who did good in the Miami system and then a pretty high rate of those contracts being horrible and the FO having to send assets out to fix the issue.

Miami's system seems to work well with developing plyers... unknowns, imagine if they used assets to acquire players with much higher ceilings that didn't work out in their first stops and ere acquired for pennies on the dollar. Why not roll the dice that the Miami system can rehabilitate someone like Bagley, Monk, Reddish, Rui, Bamba, J.Jackson, C.White, Wiseman... vs Vincent, Strus, O.Robinson or better yet, develop both? Of course you're not going to be able to develop everyone, but why not work with a much higher pedigreed player? Maybe there's a higher fail rate with guys who think/know they're better but you have a real shot at rehabilitating a difference maker. I still can'be believe D.Robinson's contract when Miami had Strus or could have just sighed FOR CHEAP... Forbes or Monk and used that money elsewhere.


After the Duncan situation, and Whiteside, an internal cap on dev players makes a ton of sense.


Tyler Johnson’s contract was toxic too. His contract was dumped for Ryan Anderson’s and Anderson still has his cap hit on the books after his contract was stretched. Is TJ even still in the league? His contract stays hurting the team.


Yea pretty fn ridiculous. We've been charitable post-big 3, to say the least.
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Re: Heat Sign Zeller and Love 

Post#48 » by BadMofoPimp » Tue Feb 21, 2023 1:34 am

HeatFanLifer wrote:
ShulaDon92 wrote:
AirP. wrote:I think Love is a great pickup for the buyout market but it didn't need to come down to hoping a PF asked out and actually picked Miami... this type of situation happened before except Aldridge went to Brooklyn. I just don't get trading assets for what your team needs or wants vs overpaying lesser players who did good in the Miami system and then a pretty high rate of those contracts being horrible and the FO having to send assets out to fix the issue.

Miami's system seems to work well with developing plyers... unknowns, imagine if they used assets to acquire players with much higher ceilings that didn't work out in their first stops and ere acquired for pennies on the dollar. Why not roll the dice that the Miami system can rehabilitate someone like Bagley, Monk, Reddish, Rui, Bamba, J.Jackson, C.White, Wiseman... vs Vincent, Strus, O.Robinson or better yet, develop both? Of course you're not going to be able to develop everyone, but why not work with a much higher pedigreed player? Maybe there's a higher fail rate with guys who think/know they're better but you have a real shot at rehabilitating a difference maker. I still can'be believe D.Robinson's contract when Miami had Strus or could have just sighed FOR CHEAP... Forbes or Monk and used that money elsewhere.


After the Duncan situation, and Whiteside, an internal cap on dev players makes a ton of sense.


Tyler Johnson’s contract was toxic too. His contract was dumped for Ryan Anderson’s and Anderson still has his cap hit on the books after his contract was stretched. Is TJ even still in the league? His contract stays hurting the team.


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Re: Heat Sign Zeller and Love 

Post#49 » by DayofMourning » Tue Feb 21, 2023 1:58 am

Big thank you to the Cavs for hooking us up.

Random trivia-Kevin Love sits in 2nd place all time for most points in a quarter with 34. Thats more points in one quarter than Lowry, Duncan and Ryan Anderson have scored per game this year.
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Post#50 » by BadMofoPimp » Wed Feb 22, 2023 2:36 am

DayofMourning wrote:Big thank you to the Cavs for hooking us up.

Random trivia-Kevin Love sits in 2nd place all time for most points in a quarter with 34. Thats more points in one quarter than Lowry, Duncan and Ryan Anderson have scored per game this year.


Kevin Love did that like 6 years ago.
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Post#51 » by Rapaz » Wed Feb 22, 2023 2:50 am

unowen85 wrote:All the Riley haters who were dooming and glooming at the trade deadline better recognize.

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Post#52 » by R-DAWG » Wed Feb 22, 2023 2:51 am

Is the $3.1MM Love signed for pro rated or does Love get the full amount?

Miami will be able to resign Love next year to a contract starting at $3.72MM, which basically gives Miami use of the bi-annual next year without the hard cap.

It looks like Love gave up 1.5MM to leave Cleveland. I’d Love gets the full $3.1MM this year, his total net comp from Miami would be 5.3MM - which is basically the room exception next year.

This might only be interesting for the cap nerds - but very creative by the Heat.
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Post#53 » by Letsgokings » Wed Feb 22, 2023 6:56 pm

eddieheatfan wrote:


:lol


I don't understand is he a pirate or a yacht captain??
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Post#54 » by RJM » Wed Feb 22, 2023 9:00 pm

unowen85 wrote:All the Riley haters who were dooming and glooming at the trade deadline better recognize.


None of this was orchestrated by Miami's brilliant front office work. Let's not rewrite history.
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Post#55 » by BBallFreak » Wed Feb 22, 2023 9:28 pm

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unowen85 wrote:All the Riley haters who were dooming and glooming at the trade deadline better recognize.


None of this was orchestrated by Miami's brilliant front office work. Let's not rewrite history.

Wait, so convincing Love to come here, rather than going to LA or Phoenix, had nothing to do with the front office? And Cody Zeller signing here has nothing to do with the front office, either?

I'm very confused about the need to hate on Pat Riley right now. I really don't understand it...
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Post#56 » by R-DAWG » Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:56 pm

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RJM wrote:
unowen85 wrote:All the Riley haters who were dooming and glooming at the trade deadline better recognize.


None of this was orchestrated by Miami's brilliant front office work. Let's not rewrite history.

Wait, so convincing Love to come here, rather than going to LA or Phoenix, had nothing to do with the front office? And Cody Zeller signing here has nothing to do with the front office, either?

I'm very confused about the need to hate on Pat Riley right now. I really don't understand it...


Miami made a move to create room under the apron, then utilized the bi-annual exception to create an opportunity for Love to (a) earn more this year and (b) be in position to re-sign with Miami for $1MM more than the minimum without utilizing an exception (Miami is likely to be around the apron so it's unlikely they could have used the bi-annual anyway next year).

Look at the financial part of the deal - Miami created a better financial opportunity than either PHX or LA.
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Post#57 » by al bondiga » Thu Feb 23, 2023 1:49 am

The front office made some good moves ... Let's hope they work out and spo Can put together what seems like an easy puzzle
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Post#58 » by MettaWorldPanda » Thu Feb 23, 2023 1:53 am

al bondiga wrote:The front office made some good moves ... Let's hope they work out and spo Can put together what seems like an easy puzzle

Spo is always the wild card but when the front office makes a move like this it usually comes with a mandate these players need to see the floor.
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Post#59 » by R-DAWG » Thu Feb 23, 2023 5:24 pm

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al bondiga wrote:The front office made some good moves ... Let's hope they work out and spo Can put together what seems like an easy puzzle

Spo is always the wild card but when the front office makes a move like this it usually comes with a mandate these players need to see the floor.


The biggest problem with the Heat right now is that they are paying $45.2MM to Duncan Robinson and Kyle Lowry while they get minimum level production out of Robinson and mid level production out of Lowry. So in realty, you have about $30MM of dead money on the books. It's hard to overcome that, even though the Heat have been great at finding rotation pieces in the margins that perform above their salary slots.
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Post#60 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Thu Feb 23, 2023 6:12 pm

Pat dumped salary and got lucky as hell Love got bought out and wanted to play with Bam and Jimmy and we just so happen to have a **** ton of minutes available at the 4, let’s not sugar coat it lol.

Could’ve signed Zeller this last summer and not Dedmon, kept the pick, and still signed love after his buyout.
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