2023 Miami Heat Regular Season Thread - Westbrook and Love edition

[3ammy3uck3ts]

When Jimmy Tatum and Mitchell all opt out of their contracts and join Bam in Miami, Jimmy will be on a team friendly by then >>>>

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Dame misses more time a year than Jimmy. What are we even talking about here

I’ll add context to this because it’s just flat out wrong.

Since Jimmy has got to Miami, Dame has played more games than him in 3 out of the 4 seasons.

Games missed:

2019-20:

Dame: 8
Jimmy: 15

2020-21:

Dame: 5
Jimmy: 20

2021-22:

Dame: 52
Jimmy: 25

2022-23:

Dame: 12
Jimmy: 15

The one season Jimmy played more than Dame it was due to Dame deciding the get season ending surgery to fix an abdominal issue that had been bothering him I believe 3 years that had got to the point that season that it was unbearable and something needed to be done. Technically not season ending but they decided it was best for him to sit out with the team having no chance of winning anything. Believe he could’ve came back at the ASB.

Dame flat out plays more than Jimmy unless it’s something severe one random season. At this point Jimmy just sits out whenever he feels like it.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I’m seeing a lot of posters say we shouldn’t and wouldn’t go after Dame if he became available. Guys, get real lol. You know good and damn well Riley is throwing his hat in there for that. We can talk all this false “he’s on the decline” stuff all we want but the reality is he’s elite. Dude is arguably and top 10 player in the league and even Steph said he’s been the best PG in the league this season.

You’re talking about an elite PG (arguably our biggest position of need) that’s averaging:

31.5-4.5-7.5-1 on 47/37/92 shooting splits who is the literal perfect fit for this team and our 2 best players and fits Jimmys timeline perfectly.

[dean456]

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To all the Heat Dame believers... he is happy in Portland. Let him be

Sad thing about this tweet is what does Dame currently have that he wouldn't get where ever he goes? Other than being on a competitive team that is competing for championships.

No one in this generation or the next gonna give a damn about a guy staying on his team and not winning nothing.

[broke]

When Jimmy Tatum and Mitchell all opt out of their contracts and join Bam in Miami, Jimmy will be on a team friendly by then >>>>

Or Bam leaves and goes to the C's lol

[3ammy3uck3ts]

When Jimmy Tatum and Mitchell all opt out of their contracts and join Bam in Miami, Jimmy will be on a team friendly by then >>>>

Or Bam leaves and goes to the C's lol

Very well could lol we’ll see how the FO builds around him before 2026

[dean456]

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These are all scoring highlights from this season.

I think even this KLove is going to help this teams offense more than most expect. If this is how Love shoots in a down year and he's now apparently recovered from his injury then he should improve our shooting/spacing quite a lot.

Notice how many shots in this vid have guys closing out hard. When guys bite on Love's pump fakes he also takes a dribble/side step to take an open 3 rather than drive to create more traffic in the paint.

Having a guy that can PnPop going to be great for Herro too. As a guy who struggles to get in the paint, he should now have more opportunities to attack the basket and not be forced to take floaters as there will be less congestion in the paint and he'll either only have to beat one man or he'll have an easier pass to an open Love.

[Kobewade11]

Dame misses more time a year than Jimmy. What are we even talking about here

Dame is so overrated these days. Past his prime and plays no defense. No thanks

Agreed

[RexBoyWonder]

Dame misses more time a year than Jimmy. What are we even talking about here

Dame is so overrated these days. Past his prime and plays no defense. No thanks

Agreed

1. Past his prime - yes, a very slow decline is expected.
2. Overated - Im term of Heat board - Probably so, but still easilty a top 15-20 player.
3. No defense - yes, but he's a guard. Not a huge deal when in a good system.

The allure of Dame to me comes from the fit aspect. He's the perfect fit.

1. His skill set - An efficent 3 point scorer that is verstile enough to play off ball and pass when needed, is exactly what stars like Jimmy and Bam need to them. He'll compliant them on offense and they'll complement him on defense.

2. In term of mentality - the guy is a winner, and a killer, and I trust him to be at his best if h ever gets into a better team situation. He's a Heat type guy..loyal, tough and BB focused.

3. His contract/age situation also fits. He's old enough and get paid so much, that his trade value isn't completely bonkers. At the same time he's young enough to have a few years left of elite play.

We're already went ALL IN in term of cap management - Jimmy will make a ton, and Bam and Herro will also take big chunks of our cap space. In other words - We're pot committed. We're going to be expensive, and we won't have free cap space for years. It makes a lot of sense to go all in on a Jimmy/Bam/Lilard build for a few years, then rebuild after that core ages out.

With that said, the only way Dame comes here is if he demands a trade and insists he want to come here and here only.

[DayofMourning]

Ive already traded Lowry and Duncan for Dame. Might need to add Herro to match salary.

[Lennyzinho]

I’m seeing a lot of posters say we shouldn’t and wouldn’t go after Dame if he became available. Guys, get real lol. You know good and damn well Riley is throwing his hat in there for that. We can talk all this false “he’s on the decline” stuff all we want but the reality is he’s elite. Dude is arguably and top 10 player in the league and even Steph said he’s been the best PG in the league this season.

You’re talking about an elite PG (arguably our biggest position of need) that’s averaging:

31.5-4.5-7.5-1 on 47/37/92 shooting splits who is the literal perfect fit for this team and our 2 best players and fits Jimmys timeline perfectly.

Dame Bam Jimmy would cost 151M. You'd need to fill 12 roster spots with rookie deals or league minimum guys. And micky would need to be a tax repeater team like the warriors have been. If you think Riley (maybe) and Arison (nope) would be into that. Then sure. Let's give away all our assets (because it would take rookies and FRP and herro) for 60M Dame.

[MiamiLoyal926]

Sorry 3ammy… the Dame wagon has come to a halt. It was a nice thought in fantasy, but in reality, the money is scary! Thanks for starting it though! Hopefully we could eventually have the right assets align with a good and young player like they did for the Cavs with Mitchell.

As an organization, we need to accept that we only make small moves for todays Jimmy window, while preparing for big moves for Bam’s window. Mitchell would have been the perfect type of move for both windows, but alas, we made bad moves the last few years that limited our spending power today. Dame would be just another bad move for us in our next window.

Don’t be sorry brother, if Dame ever comes available Pat is 100% going to try and get him regardless of what some on RealGM think of his contract situation. That contract is the exact reason why we could have a chance of getting him, especially if he requests Miami. He will age fine

That approach has worked so well with Lowry…

We are talking about a very expensive risk we would be taking in both assets requested to make the trade happen this summer, and then cap hits and salary nightmare it will incur the last few years of his contract.

It is shortsighted to think we should roll out the red carpet and all our assets for Dame, and if Riley does, then he truly has lost it. We did it for Prime Bron/Bosh to pair with Prime Wade. Not so good of an idea to do it for past their prime Butler and Dame to pair with prime Bam.

Pat might knock on the door and inquire, but if the trade price is too pick rich, he should walk away.

[Flash4thewin]

I’m seeing a lot of posters say we shouldn’t and wouldn’t go after Dame if he became available. Guys, get real lol. You know good and damn well Riley is throwing his hat in there for that. We can talk all this false “he’s on the decline” stuff all we want but the reality is he’s elite. Dude is arguably and top 10 player in the league and even Steph said he’s been the best PG in the league this season.

You’re talking about an elite PG (arguably our biggest position of need) that’s averaging:

31.5-4.5-7.5-1 on 47/37/92 shooting splits who is the literal perfect fit for this team and our 2 best players and fits Jimmys timeline perfectly.

Dame Bam Jimmy would cost 151M. You'd need to fill 12 roster spots with rookie deals or league minimum guys. And micky would need to be a tax repeater team like the warriors have been. If you think Riley (maybe) and Arison (nope) would be into that. Then sure. Let's give away all our assets (because it would take rookies and FRP and herro) for 60M Dame.

Honestly how is that any different from what we have now? We have Butler Bam Lowry and Duncan making around the same. Herro is making 5 mil and people still complain. Dipo is making 10 and then its just league min or the reject of the week undrafted player. Assuming we can even come up with 4 unprotected first round draft picks and maybe a swap or two with Lowry and Herro and assuming Portland doesnt laugh in our faces and actually takes it, its not a bad deal for us.

The main difference is that we would have an actual super star, one who actually trys in the regular season. It would be interesting to see the dynamics of that combo, im assuming Dame would take over as the leader. We would still surround our core players with un drafted players and buyout candidates after the trade deadline. The main issue would be playing the Tax. Instead of making a yo mama is so cheap/broke joke, insert the Heat and we get the picture. We didnt want to pay with Lebron, Wade and Bosh, it seems hard to believe we would pay for Dame, Butler and Bam. With Carnival losing BILLIONS, it's harder to see how ownership signs off on the tax. Got to give the Warrior all the credit in the world, they literally put their money where their mouth is when it comes to winning and won another championship because of it.

[Daffy]

What's with all the Dame talk? If he expected to ask out this summer?

[Vertical Limit]

What's with all the Dame talk? If he expected to ask out this summer?

Its just a bunch of heat fans dreaming. Hes not leaving, we dont have the assets or contracts to match unless we include jimmy or bam, or both.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I’m seeing a lot of posters say we shouldn’t and wouldn’t go after Dame if he became available. Guys, get real lol. You know good and damn well Riley is throwing his hat in there for that. We can talk all this false “he’s on the decline” stuff all we want but the reality is he’s elite. Dude is arguably and top 10 player in the league and even Steph said he’s been the best PG in the league this season.

You’re talking about an elite PG (arguably our biggest position of need) that’s averaging:

31.5-4.5-7.5-1 on 47/37/92 shooting splits who is the literal perfect fit for this team and our 2 best players and fits Jimmys timeline perfectly.

Dame Bam Jimmy would cost 151M. You'd need to fill 12 roster spots with rookie deals or league minimum guys. And micky would need to be a tax repeater team like the warriors have been. If you think Riley (maybe) and Arison (nope) would be into that. Then sure. Let's give away all our assets (because it would take rookies and FRP and herro) for 60M Dame.

That’s for them to figure out then, specifically Andy, but you know damn well Riley is going to try to get Dame if he’s available.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Sorry 3ammy… the Dame wagon has come to a halt. It was a nice thought in fantasy, but in reality, the money is scary! Thanks for starting it though! Hopefully we could eventually have the right assets align with a good and young player like they did for the Cavs with Mitchell.

As an organization, we need to accept that we only make small moves for todays Jimmy window, while preparing for big moves for Bam’s window. Mitchell would have been the perfect type of move for both windows, but alas, we made bad moves the last few years that limited our spending power today. Dame would be just another bad move for us in our next window.

Don’t be sorry brother, if Dame ever comes available Pat is 100% going to try and get him regardless of what some on RealGM think of his contract situation. That contract is the exact reason why we could have a chance of getting him, especially if he requests Miami. He will age fine

That approach has worked so well with Lowry…

We are talking about a very expensive risk we would be taking in both assets requested to make the trade happen this summer, and then cap hits and salary nightmare it will incur the last few years of his contract.

It is shortsighted to think we should roll out the red carpet and all our assets for Dame, and if Riley does, then he truly has lost it. We did it for Prime Bron/Bosh to pair with Prime Wade. Not so good of an idea to do it for past their prime Butler and Dame to pair with prime Bam.

Pat might knock on the door and inquire, but if the trade price is too pick rich, he should walk away.

Time will tell, there are multiple scenarios we could be looking into for another star. I just know for a fact Pat will try and get him if available.

Please do not compare Dame to Lowry lol, Dames contract ends at the age Lowry currently is at (36) and he’s a far better player, like they’re not even close to being close.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Why are we even concerned about the “no defense” part of Dame when our starting backcourt are literally traffic cones defensively lol?

And why the hell is everyone acting like Dame is washed up or something? He’s probably 2nd team all nba worst case, 1st team wouldn’t surprise me.

Dude is averaging a very efficient 31.5-4.5-7.5-1 and we’re in here talking like he’s Westbrook. You all are just blatantly lying to yourselves and spewing false nonsense like he plays less games than Jimmy lol

[3ammy3uck3ts]

As for lineup news, idk if you all caught this but Love basically said yesterday he wasn’t starting and that the main concern was just playing next to Bam as much as possible. I guess well see tomorrow night

[AirP.]

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