Tank World Order (10.0) The Empire Strikes Back

[WuTang_CMB]

we still got it

[Nebuchadnezzar]

we still got it

Can't wait until we are in 8th and not see this anymore.

[WuTang_CMB]

we still got it

Can't wait until we are in 8th and not see this anymore.

You are on a tank thread

[Nebuchadnezzar]

we still got it

Can't wait until we are in 8th and not see this anymore.

You are on a tank thread

I know!

[T-d0t]

we still got it

Can't wait until we are in 8th and not see this anymore.

You are on a tank thread

He is the realgm equivalent of a hate watcher

[720]

Read on Twitter

Masai really sold the bag for the play-in tournament bruh. I’m SICK.

[DelAbbot]

Masai didnt sell the bag for the play-in. He truly believes Fred + Pascal as #1 and #2, supported by a true center, can go deep into playoffs. He sold the bag to prove it / disprove it

[dTox]

Can't believe people are arguing tank vs not tank theory, failing to realize that it's the talent of the FO who can only navigate a successful tank. Giving the tanking history of Charlotte, wolves, magic, etc., who have bottom of the barrel GMs making decisions; as reasons for tanking not working is silly

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[Duffman100]

Can't believe people are arguing tank vs not tank theory, failing to realize that it's the talent of the FO who can only navigate a successful tank. Giving the tanking history of Charlotte, wolves, magic, etc., who have bottom of the barrel GMs making decisions; as reasons for tanking not working is silly

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Except many of the same people who want to tank also **** on our FO. So ... there's a logic gap there.

[T-d0t]

Can't believe people are arguing tank vs not tank theory, failing to realize that it's the talent of the FO who can only navigate a successful tank. Giving the tanking history of Charlotte, wolves, magic, etc., who have bottom of the barrel GMs making decisions; as reasons for tanking not working is silly

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Except many of the same people who want to tank also **** on our FO. So ... there's a logic gap there.

We **** on the FO for these recent trades/signings. Their drafting has been solid and I don't expect them to hit every 2nd Rd pick/undrafted guy like they did in the past.

[Wannabe MEP]

Can't believe people are arguing tank vs not tank theory, failing to realize that it's the talent of the FO who can only navigate a successful tank. Giving the tanking history of Charlotte, wolves, magic, etc., who have bottom of the barrel GMs making decisions; as reasons for tanking not working is silly

Narrative:

1. Tear it down and begin multi-year tank
2. Acquire Elite Talent with top-4 draft pick
3. Build it back up again around Elite Talent
4. Win championship with Elite Talent as best player

^ tWo makes this sound like the obvious pattern. Almost inevitable.

But the counterargument isn't that some teams fail at this. The counterargument is that no team has successfully done this in decades (since free agency rule changes led to a pattern of players leaving **** teams).

[720]

The obvious decision is to trade at least one of the two expiring assets on a middling team at the deadline and not push for the play in. Unless the FO thinks these guys are worth building around like Del suggested
.

[Duffman100]

Can't believe people are arguing tank vs not tank theory, failing to realize that it's the talent of the FO who can only navigate a successful tank. Giving the tanking history of Charlotte, wolves, magic, etc., who have bottom of the barrel GMs making decisions; as reasons for tanking not working is silly

Narrative:

1. Tear it down and begin multi-year tank
2. Acquire Elite Talent with top-4 draft pick
3. Build it back up again around Elite Talent
4. Win championship with Elite Talent as best player

^ tWo makes this sound like the obvious pattern. Almost inevitable.

But the counterargument isn't that some teams fail at this. The counterargument is that no team has successfully done this in decades (since free agency rule changes led to a pattern of players leaving **** teams).

The only teams that have somewhat succeeded drafted top 10-15 players of ALL TIME and during an era when stars stuck with their teams their entire careers.

The Thunder made the finals once. They're the closest example of success.
The Cavs lucked into Lebron signing back with them after he left them.

[God Squad]

Can't believe people are arguing tank vs not tank theory, failing to realize that it's the talent of the FO who can only navigate a successful tank. Giving the tanking history of Charlotte, wolves, magic, etc., who have bottom of the barrel GMs making decisions; as reasons for tanking not working is silly

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Except many of the same people who want to tank also **** on our FO. So ... there's a logic gap there.

Do you honestly believe Masai and Bobby have done a good job lately? Because I can objectively look at our recent trade and drafting results as - we've been very mid.

Not bottom tier, but mid.

[WuTang_CMB]

Comes down to Masai gets a thrill drafting out of the lottery to find a gem. Seems stupid with 22 games left to keep that mindset

Could have easily tanked and no one would say boo

[Wannabe MEP]

Can't believe people are arguing tank vs not tank theory, failing to realize that it's the talent of the FO who can only navigate a successful tank. Giving the tanking history of Charlotte, wolves, magic, etc., who have bottom of the barrel GMs making decisions; as reasons for tanking not working is silly

Narrative:

1. Tear it down and begin multi-year tank
2. Acquire Elite Talent with top-4 draft pick
3. Build it back up again around Elite Talent
4. Win championship with Elite Talent as best player

^ tWo makes this sound like the obvious pattern. Almost inevitable.

But the counterargument isn't that some teams fail at this. The counterargument is that no team has successfully done this in decades (since free agency rule changes led to a pattern of players leaving **** teams).

The only teams that have somewhat succeeded drafted top 10-15 players of ALL TIME and during an era when stars stuck with their teams their entire careers.

The Thunder made the finals once. They're the closest example of success.
The Cavs lucked into Lebron signing back with them after he left them.

Because he was from Akron.

[Duffman100]

Can't believe people are arguing tank vs not tank theory, failing to realize that it's the talent of the FO who can only navigate a successful tank. Giving the tanking history of Charlotte, wolves, magic, etc., who have bottom of the barrel GMs making decisions; as reasons for tanking not working is silly

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Except many of the same people who want to tank also **** on our FO. So ... there's a logic gap there.

Do you honestly believe Masai and Bobby have done a good job lately? Because I can objectively look at our recent trade and drafting results as - we've been very mid.

Not bottom tier, but mid.

I don't think they've had much opportunity to be honest. We're in the championship hangover.

Well let's start with drafting. We've drafted at the 29th, 44th, 45th, 4th and 33rd.

We knocked the 4th pick out of the park (Barnes).
We missed on the 29th (Flynn).
44th and 45th look like misses, but hit rate on them is very low across the league.

Jury is out on Koloko in his rookie year. He's had good moments, he's had bad moments. Sure we could have had someone like Nembhard or Kessler. But we need to give it a few years.

Contract extensions? Pretty good.
FVV for not that much
Trent for that that much
Boucher for not that much.
Birch, meh that wasn't great.

Trades?
An expiring Lowry and we got Precious (which is a pretty damn good haul).
Thad trade isn't looking great, I think they thought Thad would give them more. Clearly he hasn't.

Poeltl trade. Obviously jury is still out, but in a weak 2024 draft and we're likely signing Poeltl long term. Getting a good center for 3-4 years in his prime.

Signings
Porter? It was low amount for an injury prone player. Calculated risk.

Other than that? I don't know if I see the opportunities or massive mistakes they've made. You can say "we should have tanked and sold our guys after the title". But again, no real proof shows that strategy works.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Comes down to Masai gets a thrill drafting out of the lottery to find a gem. Seems stupid with 22 games left to keep that mindset

Could have easily tanked and no one would say boo

You think he did this for his own pleasure?

imo it was unlikely they could get into the bottom 5 the rest of the way, so then you're just praying on lotto luck to really increase your odds. No Poeltl and selling low on Fred/OG gets you what? A few extra lotto balls? And if you strike out in the lottery you're still choosing that milky range of prospects 5-20.

[God Squad]

Except many of the same people who want to tank also **** on our FO. So ... there's a logic gap there.

Do you honestly believe Masai and Bobby have done a good job lately? Because I can objectively look at our recent trade and drafting results as - we've been very mid.

Not bottom tier, but mid.

I don't think they've had much opportunity to be honest. We're in the championship hangover.

Well let's start with drafting. We've drafted at the 29th, 44th, 45th, 4th and 33rd.

We knocked the 4th pick out of the park (Barnes).
We missed on the 29th (Flynn).
44th and 45th look like misses, but hit rate on them is very low across the league.

Jury is out on Koloko in his rookie year. He's had good moments, he's had bad moments. Sure we could have had someone like Nembhard or Kessler. But we need to give it a few years.

Contract extensions? Pretty good.
FVV for not that much
Trent for that that much
Boucher for not that much.
Birch, meh that wasn't great.

Trades?
An expiring Lowry and we got Precious (which is a pretty damn good haul).
Thad trade isn't looking great, I think they thought Thad would give them more. Clearly he hasn't.

Poeltl trade. Obviously jury is still out, but in a weak 2024 draft and we're likely signing Poeltl long term. Getting a good center for 3-4 years in his prime.

Signings
Porter? It was low amount for an injury prone player. Calculated risk.

Other than that? I don't know if I see the opportunities or massive mistakes they've made. You can say "we should have tanked and sold our guys after the title". But again, no real proof shows that strategy works.

So Mid? All of what you said paints " Mid". Not bad, not great. But I agree with most of what you said.

[Duffman100]

Do you honestly believe Masai and Bobby have done a good job lately? Because I can objectively look at our recent trade and drafting results as - we've been very mid.

Not bottom tier, but mid.

I don't think they've had much opportunity to be honest. We're in the championship hangover.

Well let's start with drafting. We've drafted at the 29th, 44th, 45th, 4th and 33rd.

We knocked the 4th pick out of the park (Barnes).
We missed on the 29th (Flynn).
44th and 45th look like misses, but hit rate on them is very low across the league.

Jury is out on Koloko in his rookie year. He's had good moments, he's had bad moments. Sure we could have had someone like Nembhard or Kessler. But we need to give it a few years.

Contract extensions? Pretty good.
FVV for not that much
Trent for that that much
Boucher for not that much.
Birch, meh that wasn't great.

Trades?
An expiring Lowry and we got Precious (which is a pretty damn good haul).
Thad trade isn't looking great, I think they thought Thad would give them more. Clearly he hasn't.

Poeltl trade. Obviously jury is still out, but in a weak 2024 draft and we're likely signing Poeltl long term. Getting a good center for 3-4 years in his prime.

Signings
Porter? It was low amount for an injury prone player. Calculated risk.

Other than that? I don't know if I see the opportunities or massive mistakes they've made. You can say "we should have tanked and sold our guys after the title". But again, no real proof shows that strategy works.

So Mid? All of what you said paints " Mid". Not bad, not great. But I agree with most of what you said.

But mid has to have context of what was available? It's not like we had top 10 picks and whiffed on them. It's not like we had capspace and whiffed on it.

We kept a competitive team and attempted to build a bench (failed) without giving up any draft capital. We finally decided we needed to give up a protected (very lightly, which I don't love) to add to that bench.

They're doing what they did the last time. Slow, iterative, "mid" improvements and eventually will try and make a splash.

Last time it led to a championship.