Tank World Order (10.0) The Empire Strikes Back

[Duffman100]

Skill wise yes....I have never seen a player that size with that much skills entering the NBA.....Watch some games of his and he is already a polished NBA skilled player at just 19 years old....Hes putting up pretty crazy numbers in a pro league already....

The skills will only increase with time....Not including injuries cause that can ruin anyones career but so far what i seen he is going to be a HOF player....How good he will become will be on him but def he will be one of the better players in the league during his era if not the best....He does things on the court that no 7 foot 4/5 player should be doing...Handles like a guard shoots like KD and is one of the tallest players ever.

This is what a lot of people were saying about Porky (to a slight lesser degree). Good season this season, but he struggled to stay on the court, was a little weak inside against NBA competition.

Wemby isn't Duncan or Lebron. He isn't a sure fire can't miss guy.

Does he have potential to be amazing, sure. But he's not a HOF lock before he's even stepped on an NBA court.

Lol....Some people you can watch and you just know they have it....Can tell your a doubter of him but when hes in the NBA playing his first half season you will be wishing he was on your team your cheering for lol...

Watch on YouTube

;ab_channel=Trice

Victor was already the number 1 pick in the draft before he even played a game in France, Then played a few games and people saw how crazy good he looked and was unquestionable the number 1 pick....Know how hard it is to be the Number 1 pick in the NBA draft?

Now he will just continue to prove people wrong by being a game changer in the NBA ....He isn't a Duncan....Hes better...He is to me on the LeBron tier prospect atm...

Right now, to me, he's Yao Ming. Incredible talent, but I will always worry about durability with 7'4 unicorns. History has not been kind to guys his size and staying healthy.

I don't know if I'm a doubter of him, he's obviously a special talent with fluidity and size that we haven't really seen before. But it's the same concern I had with Zion, can he hold up to the incredible rigor of an NBA season.

[Reeko]

Skill wise yes....I have never seen a player that size with that much skills entering the NBA.....Watch some games of his and he is already a polished NBA skilled player at just 19 years old....Hes putting up pretty crazy numbers in a pro league already....

The skills will only increase with time....Not including injuries cause that can ruin anyones career but so far what i seen he is going to be a HOF player....How good he will become will be on him but def he will be one of the better players in the league during his era if not the best....He does things on the court that no 7 foot 4/5 player should be doing...Handles like a guard shoots like KD and is one of the tallest players ever.

This is what a lot of people were saying about Porky (to a slight lesser degree). Good season this season, but he struggled to stay on the court, was a little weak inside against NBA competition.

Wemby isn't Duncan or Lebron. He isn't a sure fire can't miss guy.

Does he have potential to be amazing, sure. But he's not a HOF lock before he's even stepped on an NBA court.

Lol....Some people you can watch and you just know they have it....Can tell your a doubter of him but when hes in the NBA playing his first half season you will be wishing he was on your team your cheering for lol...

Watch on YouTube

;ab_channel=Trice

Victor was already the number 1 pick in the draft before he even played a game in France, Then played a few games and people saw how crazy good he looked and was unquestionable the number 1 pick....Know how hard it is to be the Number 1 pick in the NBA draft?

Now he will just continue to prove people wrong by being a game changer in the NBA ....He isn't a Duncan....Hes better...He is to me on the LeBron tier prospect atm...

It's not his ability that people question, it's his long term availability.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

Once you go past 7'1", most of the time it's a glandular issue. Some sort of variation of that issue.

[Reeko]

Once you go past 7'1", most of the time it's a glandular issue. Some sort of variation of that issue.

So you think he has some form of Gigantism? Both of his parents are very tall, his dad is 6'6 and his mom is 6'3.

[Los_29]

This is what a lot of people were saying about Porky (to a slight lesser degree). Good season this season, but he struggled to stay on the court, was a little weak inside against NBA competition.

Wemby isn't Duncan or Lebron. He isn't a sure fire can't miss guy.

Does he have potential to be amazing, sure. But he's not a HOF lock before he's even stepped on an NBA court.

Lol....Some people you can watch and you just know they have it....Can tell your a doubter of him but when hes in the NBA playing his first half season you will be wishing he was on your team your cheering for lol...

Watch on YouTube

;ab_channel=Trice

Victor was already the number 1 pick in the draft before he even played a game in France, Then played a few games and people saw how crazy good he looked and was unquestionable the number 1 pick....Know how hard it is to be the Number 1 pick in the NBA draft?

Now he will just continue to prove people wrong by being a game changer in the NBA ....He isn't a Duncan....Hes better...He is to me on the LeBron tier prospect atm...

It's not his ability that people question, it's his long term availability.

This is my only real concern with him. How many players with his physical dimensions went onto have long and successful NBA careers? Nearly everyone his height or taller struggled to stay healthy and ended up having their careers cut short.

I thought this was an interesting writeup from DeanonDraft.

But the issue with this logic is that it hinges upon Wemby’s weirdness working in his favor rather than against it. On average weirdos have higher error bars, and if you want to call somebody the best prospect in 20 years, they better be guaranteed studs. And there are a few questions to answer with Wemby:

First– how tall is too tall? Kareem Abdul -Jabbar is the tallest example of a player to have a long and healthy career at 7’2. Above that height injury issues are more common. The career leader in minutes played for 7’3+ players is 7’4 Mark Eaton, who had less than half of Kareem’s 57446 career minutes with 25169.

The best players at that height have been Yao Ming whose career was cut short by injuries, and Arvydas Sabonis who played a less physically demanding game in Europe for most of his career and didn’t debut in the NBA until age 30. Both were substantially thicker than Wemby.

Kristaps Porzingis has similarities to Wembanyama, and after showing promise defensively early in his career as a rookie, injuries have limited his availability as well as defensive impact when he does play.

[Reeko]

Lol....Some people you can watch and you just know they have it....Can tell your a doubter of him but when hes in the NBA playing his first half season you will be wishing he was on your team your cheering for lol...

Watch on YouTube

;ab_channel=Trice

Victor was already the number 1 pick in the draft before he even played a game in France, Then played a few games and people saw how crazy good he looked and was unquestionable the number 1 pick....Know how hard it is to be the Number 1 pick in the NBA draft?

Now he will just continue to prove people wrong by being a game changer in the NBA ....He isn't a Duncan....Hes better...He is to me on the LeBron tier prospect atm...

It's not his ability that people question, it's his long term availability.

This is my only real concern with him. How many players with his physical dimensions went onto have long and successful NBA careers? Nearly everyone his height or taller struggled to stay healthy and ended up having their careers cut short.

I thought this was an interesting writeup from DeanonDraft.

But the issue with this logic is that it hinges upon Wemby’s weirdness working in his favor rather than against it. On average weirdos have higher error bars, and if you want to call somebody the best prospect in 20 years, they better be guaranteed studs. And there are a few questions to answer with Wemby:

First– how tall is too tall? Kareem Abdul -Jabbar is the tallest example of a player to have a long and healthy career at 7’2. Above that height injury issues are more common. The career leader in minutes played for 7’3+ players is 7’4 Mark Eaton, who had less than half of Kareem’s 57446 career minutes with 25169.

The best players at that height have been Yao Ming whose career was cut short by injuries, and Arvydas Sabonis who played a less physically demanding game in Europe for most of his career and didn’t debut in the NBA until age 30. Both were substantially thicker than Wemby.

Kristaps Porzingis has similarities to Wembanyama, and after showing promise defensively early in his career as a rookie, injuries have limited his availability as well as defensive impact when he does play.

Exactly. It's literally never been seen before. I will say that his team (people he has around him, not club necessarily) in France are working very hard to minimize his risk of injury, specifically by training the muscles of his feet.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

Once you go past 7'1", most of the time it's a glandular issue. Some sort of variation of that issue.

So you think he has some form of Gigantism? Both of his parents are very tall, his dad is 6'6 and his mom is 6'3.

Probably, the question is how far does he grow and how well does he heal. Like, 7'3" that's the far end of "safe". (*at least traditionally)

[Clutch0z24]

This is what a lot of people were saying about Porky (to a slight lesser degree). Good season this season, but he struggled to stay on the court, was a little weak inside against NBA competition.

Wemby isn't Duncan or Lebron. He isn't a sure fire can't miss guy.

Does he have potential to be amazing, sure. But he's not a HOF lock before he's even stepped on an NBA court.

Lol....Some people you can watch and you just know they have it....Can tell your a doubter of him but when hes in the NBA playing his first half season you will be wishing he was on your team your cheering for lol...

Watch on YouTube

;ab_channel=Trice

Victor was already the number 1 pick in the draft before he even played a game in France, Then played a few games and people saw how crazy good he looked and was unquestionable the number 1 pick....Know how hard it is to be the Number 1 pick in the NBA draft?

Now he will just continue to prove people wrong by being a game changer in the NBA ....He isn't a Duncan....Hes better...He is to me on the LeBron tier prospect atm...

It's not his ability that people question, it's his long term availability.

His body type is different from past big men who got injured though....He has a skinny slim frame which the people around him are keeping it that way by design....Guys like Yao Ming had tree trunk legs and a heavy set upper body....In fact most bigs Wemby size were heavy framed which put lots of pressure on knees/foot thats what caused most injuries....Wemby has a KD slim framed body which should reduce his injury risk....But injuries are a risk for anyone...You do not go into evaluating a player basing it on injuries though...So even if he has an injury risk he is still going to be a HOF level prospect regardless imo

[nikster]

You do but is that what you want to do? Continue tanking for multiple seasons until you draft that superstar? That's a game of luck and doesn't seem like a very sound strategy. Philly drafted how many top 5 picks in the past 10 years? How many good players did they get out of that? Embiid?

No one is saying tank forever, though.

I think what people are getting at is, for how long then? How many of these guys are in each draft?

How long did it take, after their last championship that these teams won with a player that they drafted, to win another championship? My point being is it realistic for us to expect, after just having won a title in '19, to draft a player in lottery that could get us back to being a champion in the next 7 years?

There are a bunch of teams with really good players drafted in the lottery right now, and the reality is that very few of them will ever win a title, especially as number 1 options.

I'm as down for the tank this season as the next man but with the expectation that we can find a really good player going forward, not that we're going to draft the next generational super star.

I think the other problem is, if you do blow it up and end up with a MVP player, can you rebuild a supporting cast around him in time to coincide with his prime? Mavs got Luka at number 3, as good a player as you can draft, and their future is far from certain as they only have him for a few more years. Cavs had Lebron for 7 years and couldn't win anything.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

It's an engineering issue past 7'1", the heart can't pump blood far enough. The limbs don't heal.

[Duffman100]

Lol....Some people you can watch and you just know they have it....Can tell your a doubter of him but when hes in the NBA playing his first half season you will be wishing he was on your team your cheering for lol...

Watch on YouTube

;ab_channel=Trice

Victor was already the number 1 pick in the draft before he even played a game in France, Then played a few games and people saw how crazy good he looked and was unquestionable the number 1 pick....Know how hard it is to be the Number 1 pick in the NBA draft?

Now he will just continue to prove people wrong by being a game changer in the NBA ....He isn't a Duncan....Hes better...He is to me on the LeBron tier prospect atm...

It's not his ability that people question, it's his long term availability.

His body type is different from past big men who got injured though....He has a skinny slim frame which the people around him are keeping it that way by design....Guys like Yao Ming had tree trunk legs and a heavy set upper body....In fact most bigs Wemby size were heavy framed which put lots of pressure on knees/foot thats what caused most injuries....Wemby has a KD slim framed body which should reduce his injury risk....But injuries are a risk for anyone...You do not go into evaluating a player basing it on injuries though...So even if he has an injury risk he is still going to be a HOF level prospect regardless imo

Injuries are a risk for anyone. Injuries are a much greater risk for someone who is 7'4. Porky also had a slimmer frame and he has suffered from a litany of injuries.

And you of course go into evaluating a player and consider potential injury risks etc. If you're not, you're not doing your job.

Hell, I was advocating for Morant over Zion. I'm close to saying Scoot over Victor.

[Reeko]

It's not his ability that people question, it's his long term availability.

His body type is different from past big men who got injured though....He has a skinny slim frame which the people around him are keeping it that way by design....Guys like Yao Ming had tree trunk legs and a heavy set upper body....In fact most bigs Wemby size were heavy framed which put lots of pressure on knees/foot thats what caused most injuries....Wemby has a KD slim framed body which should reduce his injury risk....But injuries are a risk for anyone...You do not go into evaluating a player basing it on injuries though...So even if he has an injury risk he is still going to be a HOF level prospect regardless imo

Injuries are a risk for anyone. Injuries are a much greater risk for someone who is 7'4. Porky also had a slimmer frame and he has suffered from a litany of injuries.

And you of course go into evaluating a player and consider potential injury risks etc. If you're not, you're not doing your research.

Hell, I was advocating for Morant over Zion. I'm close to saying Scott over Victor.

I'm already there. And I can appreciate that there's a strong chance that it looks bad for the first 3 years of their careers, but long term I'd be pretty confident making that bet.

[Los_29]

Lol....Some people you can watch and you just know they have it....Can tell your a doubter of him but when hes in the NBA playing his first half season you will be wishing he was on your team your cheering for lol...

Watch on YouTube

;ab_channel=Trice

Victor was already the number 1 pick in the draft before he even played a game in France, Then played a few games and people saw how crazy good he looked and was unquestionable the number 1 pick....Know how hard it is to be the Number 1 pick in the NBA draft?

Now he will just continue to prove people wrong by being a game changer in the NBA ....He isn't a Duncan....Hes better...He is to me on the LeBron tier prospect atm...

It's not his ability that people question, it's his long term availability.

His body type is different from past big men who got injured though....He has a skinny slim frame which the people around him are keeping it that way by design....Guys like Yao Ming had tree trunk legs and a heavy set upper body....In fact most bigs Wemby size were heavy framed which put lots of pressure on knees/foot thats what caused most injuries....Wemby has a KD slim framed body which should reduce his injury risk....But injuries are a risk for anyone...You do not go into evaluating a player basing it on injuries though...So even if he has an injury risk he is still going to be a HOF level prospect regardless imo

Look up Ralph Sampson.

Some players have far more injury risk than others. Wemby is still obviously the clear cut #1 but he's not as good of a prospect as Lebron and Luka. Lebron and Luka would be considered far safer picks.

We've never seen someone with Wemby's body type have a long career in this league.

[nikster]

Lol....Some people you can watch and you just know they have it....Can tell your a doubter of him but when hes in the NBA playing his first half season you will be wishing he was on your team your cheering for lol...

Watch on YouTube

;ab_channel=Trice

Victor was already the number 1 pick in the draft before he even played a game in France, Then played a few games and people saw how crazy good he looked and was unquestionable the number 1 pick....Know how hard it is to be the Number 1 pick in the NBA draft?

Now he will just continue to prove people wrong by being a game changer in the NBA ....He isn't a Duncan....Hes better...He is to me on the LeBron tier prospect atm...

It's not his ability that people question, it's his long term availability.

His body type is different from past big men who got injured though....He has a skinny slim frame which the people around him are keeping it that way by design....Guys like Yao Ming had tree trunk legs and a heavy set upper body....In fact most bigs Wemby size were heavy framed which put lots of pressure on knees/foot thats what caused most injuries....Wemby has a KD slim framed body which should reduce his injury risk....But injuries are a risk for anyone...You do not go into evaluating a player basing it on injuries though...So even if he has an injury risk he is still going to be a HOF level prospect regardless imo

Sure but you have to factor the chance you actually end up with the number one pick, the chance he's healthy, the chance he's actually HOF, and even if he's HOF the chance that he is a true #1 option on a title team. Even if all that goes right can you build a supporting cast in time for his prime?

Why is that anymore likely than developing a strong team/supporting cast, and then trading or signing a star or getting lucky getting a star with a late pick?

[Clutch0z24]

It's not his ability that people question, it's his long term availability.

His body type is different from past big men who got injured though....He has a skinny slim frame which the people around him are keeping it that way by design....Guys like Yao Ming had tree trunk legs and a heavy set upper body....In fact most bigs Wemby size were heavy framed which put lots of pressure on knees/foot thats what caused most injuries....Wemby has a KD slim framed body which should reduce his injury risk....But injuries are a risk for anyone...You do not go into evaluating a player basing it on injuries though...So even if he has an injury risk he is still going to be a HOF level prospect regardless imo

Sure but you have to factor the chance you actually end up with the number one pick, the chance he's healthy, the chance he's actually HOF, and even if he's HOF the chance that he is a true #1 option on a title team. Even if all that goes right can you build a supporting cast in time for his prime?

Why is that anymore likely than developing a strong team/supporting cast, and then trading or signing a star or getting lucky getting a star with a late pick?

All teams that have drafted HOF players took that risk on the players they drafted that ended up being that guy....If a player with the skills/Size/Talent/ and on top of that all an athletic freak no one seen before you take the risk on him....And sure you can say all the what ifs in the world but no one who has built a championship level team said "What if we don't get the number 1 pick" "What if the player we want isnt a HOF player" you do not win in the league with that mindset as a GM....

You draft the best player available and the one who has the highest upside and Wemby is obvious that guy....Scoot will be one heck of a player as well but Wemby is the type to lead a team with his defense and his offensive upside...

[nikster]

His body type is different from past big men who got injured though....He has a skinny slim frame which the people around him are keeping it that way by design....Guys like Yao Ming had tree trunk legs and a heavy set upper body....In fact most bigs Wemby size were heavy framed which put lots of pressure on knees/foot thats what caused most injuries....Wemby has a KD slim framed body which should reduce his injury risk....But injuries are a risk for anyone...You do not go into evaluating a player basing it on injuries though...So even if he has an injury risk he is still going to be a HOF level prospect regardless imo

Sure but you have to factor the chance you actually end up with the number one pick, the chance he's healthy, the chance he's actually HOF, and even if he's HOF the chance that he is a true #1 option on a title team. Even if all that goes right can you build a supporting cast in time for his prime?

Why is that anymore likely than developing a strong team/supporting cast, and then trading or signing a star or getting lucky getting a star with a late pick?

All teams that have drafted HOF players took that risk on the players they drafted that ended up being that guy....If a player with the skills/Size/Talent/ and on top of that all an athletic freak no one seen before you take the risk on him....And sure you can say all the what ifs in the world but no one who has built a championship level team said "What if we don't get the number 1 pick" "What if the player we want isnt a HOF player" you do not win in the league with that mindset as a GM....

You draft the best player available and the one who has the highest upside and Wemby is obvious that guy....Scoot will be one heck of a player as well but Wemby is the type to lead a team with his defense and his offensive upside...

Yeah you draft the best player... but the question is do you blow up your team and commit to being bad for a couple years while you wait for a HOFer in the draft. Not really any GMs with much success in that mindset in league history.

[720]

Jakob’s too good, when the Tank commander is eventually back it won’t matter because Jakob will nullify it. Tank was killed already but this game highlights it, even though Zion is out. Before we would have found a way to lose this game anyways. Not anymore.

[NinjaBro]

[Bank Shot]

Lock her up

[Prestige]

This thread is like waking up from a dream where you’re a multimillionaire with a group of babes chilling on a yacht, only to find out you’ve overslept for your shift at Home Depot.