Dalano Banton Discussion / Appreciation

[HumbleRen]

Lol at comparing Dalano to a Malcolm Brogdon or a Donte

Dalano will be out of the league within 2 years. No hate to the guy but he’s a late 2nd round pick, not sure what people expected out of him.

Archetype, man. I literally said archetype - as in the type of player he would ideally turn out to be, not the player he is now. A tall PG who can change the pace, shoot a little and guard up.

That archetype is horrendously wrong.

[WaltFrazier]

Still holding out hope for Banton, but agree with most that he really hasn't showed much in NBA action. He had a breakout game 2-3 months ago that had me thinking (wishful hoping) that he might be turning a corner, but instead, seems to have just relaxed since. Weird.

Having said that (and this isn't really a defense of Banton, as much as it is a defense of all our fringe rotation guys / slight attack on Nurse + Coaching), but NOBODY seems to play good off the bench for us. Nobody is given a long leash to work through ish.. and I know its easy to say its on the player to prove it, but maybe our structure in the rotation + role definition has to do with it too. We've seen guys come from our development system and go elsewhere and shine in their role as a role player, Yuta being the latest example, but hardly the first.

There was a rumour that the Spurs wanted Banton in the Poetle deal.. I speculate that Masai preferred to give up a second SRP instead, which leads me to believe that management still has hopes + expectation for him.

If true, if, then we'd have been smart to let the Spurs train him for a few years then bring him back.

[Dennis 37]

Banton is a second round pick. He was drafted one slot ahead of David Johnson, who nobody cares about, and the expectation on Banton to do well is too high. Right now he's better than the G-League but not good enough to be in the NBA. The next year will show where he goes, it's not like he was setting NCAA on fire, this is pretty much where he should be and he probably exceeded where he should be.

I don't think our development team is broken or anything. Dowtin has improved this year. Champagnie improved before wanting out. Harper Jr. is 17/5/3 on almost 50/40/80. 2/1 for A/TO. Nobody cares about him. Boucher improved. GT Jr. improved. He is not fast or explosive. His passing IQ is not that high. Not a great rebounder for his height. Can't shoot FTs well. HIs ceiling might be a rotational player next year and that is still very good.

Champagnie wanted out. That's it right there. We used to be a place players, not wanting to be drafted in the second round, would maneuver to come. Nurse is killing our development reputation. Players will not want to be here if they put in their time in the G-League and not get a sniff of the floor at the NBA level.

[youreachiteach]

Just needs a tighter handle. We'll see if he can do it.

[HumbleRen]

Banton is a second round pick. He was drafted one slot ahead of David Johnson, who nobody cares about, and the expectation on Banton to do well is too high. Right now he's better than the G-League but not good enough to be in the NBA. The next year will show where he goes, it's not like he was setting NCAA on fire, this is pretty much where he should be and he probably exceeded where he should be.

I don't think our development team is broken or anything. Dowtin has improved this year. Champagnie improved before wanting out. Harper Jr. is 17/5/3 on almost 50/40/80. 2/1 for A/TO. Nobody cares about him. Boucher improved. GT Jr. improved. He is not fast or explosive. His passing IQ is not that high. Not a great rebounder for his height. Can't shoot FTs well. HIs ceiling might be a rotational player next year and that is still very good.

Champagnie wanted out. That's it right there. We used to be a place players, not wanting to be drafted in the second round, would maneuver to come. Nurse is killing our development reputation. Players will not want to be here if they put in their time in the G-League and not get a sniff of the floor at the NBA level.

I don't think that's entirely on Nurse.

What the Raps did with Norm/FVV is an outlier, not the norm. Most 2nd round picks are out of the league within 3 years.

[GreatWhiteStiff]

Lol at comparing Dalano to a Malcolm Brogdon or a Donte

Dalano will be out of the league within 2 years. No hate to the guy but he’s a late 2nd round pick, not sure what people expected out of him.

Archetype, man. I literally said archetype - as in the type of player he would ideally turn out to be, not the player he is now. A tall PG who can change the pace, shoot a little and guard up.

That archetype is horrendously wrong.

What is his archetype then?

[HumbleRen]

Archetype, man. I literally said archetype - as in the type of player he would ideally turn out to be, not the player he is now. A tall PG who can change the pace, shoot a little and guard up.

That archetype is horrendously wrong.

What is his archetype then?

He’s not a guard, that’s the first mistake.

He’s a wing that can’t shoot or defend really well. There’s a reason why Dowtin who’s a 2 way contract player is above him in the pecking order.

He’s simply just not a NBA player yet.

[DemHeavyHands]

Guy should start looking at teams overseas

He will dominate there. He’s just not an nba guy

[redeye514]

Still holding out hope for Banton, but agree with most that he really hasn't showed much in NBA action. He had a breakout game 2-3 months ago that had me thinking (wishful hoping) that he might be turning a corner, but instead, seems to have just relaxed since. Weird.

Having said that (and this isn't really a defense of Banton, as much as it is a defense of all our fringe rotation guys / slight attack on Nurse + Coaching), but NOBODY seems to play good off the bench for us. Nobody is given a long leash to work through ish.. and I know its easy to say its on the player to prove it, but maybe our structure in the rotation + role definition has to do with it too. We've seen guys come from our development system and go elsewhere and shine in their role as a role player, Yuta being the latest example, but hardly the first.

There was a rumour that the Spurs wanted Banton in the Poetle deal.. I speculate that Masai preferred to give up a second SRP instead, which leads me to believe that management still has hopes + expectation for him.

If true, if, then we'd have been smart to let the Spurs train him for a few years then bring him back.

Perhaps, impossible to predict how the 'bring him back' would work. We've been trying to bring back Poeltl for 2 years now, and it only now just happened. Plus, if he does significantly improve, then the bring him back cost down the road would be more than the just keep him as a 12th man option.. but I get your point.

[Smalltown]

There’s a reason why Dowtin who’s a 2 way contract player is above him in the pecking order.

I think the reason is different that what you're eluding to. They want Banton to get a ton of floor time. To get comfortable in all kinds of game situations. Not just spelling guys for two minutes. Fully expect they sign him to a 2-3 year minimum type contract with team options. Having cheap back of the rotation guys who, ala Boucher, is really valuable.

[DreamTeam09]

There’s a reason why Dowtin who’s a 2 way contract player is above him in the pecking order.

I think the reason is different that what you're eluding to. They want Banton to get a ton of floor time. To get comfortable in all kinds of game situations. Not just spelling guys for two minutes. Fully expect they sign him to a 2-3 year minimum type contract with team options. Having cheap back of the rotation guys who, ala Boucher, is really valuable.

These guys only know instant gratification, as if anything dowtin or Flynn has done all year couldn't be replicated from Banton, and I actually like dowtins game.

[HumbleRen]

There’s a reason why Dowtin who’s a 2 way contract player is above him in the pecking order.

I think the reason is different that what you're eluding to. They want Banton to get a ton of floor time. To get comfortable in all kinds of game situations. Not just spelling guys for two minutes. Fully expect they sign him to a 2-3 year minimum type contract with team options. Having cheap back of the rotation guys who, ala Boucher, is really valuable.

Sure I guess but I’m just simply saying he was a late 2nd round pick. There shouldn’t be any expectation that he becomes an nba player.

[Potential]

Let's be real he was only drafted by us because Masai wanted another Canadian on the roster since Birch wasn't doing much

[Appostis]

Give him another off season.

Still see potential.

[ItsDanger]

Give him another off season.

Still see potential.

His contract ends in a couple of months. You mean give him another contract? And see how he "develops" in the off season? They need to decide now. And it's likely already decided.

[Appostis]

Give him another off season.

Still see potential.

His contract ends in a couple of months. You mean give him another contract? And see how he "develops" in the off season? They need to decide now. And it's likely already decided.

Then throw him a minimum.
I think he's shown enough to promise.

[Thaddy]

Give him another off season.

Still see potential.

His contract ends in a couple of months. You mean give him another contract? And see how he "develops" in the off season? They need to decide now. And it's likely already decided.

Then throw him a minimum.
I think he's shown enough to promise.

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If we want to play this aggressive defense we need to think about complete unit subs similar to the bench mob days. Banton, Trent Jr, Achiuwa, Boucher, and Koloko would be interesting to see in spurts. The lack of shooting would be bad but the defense could be amazing.

[gbball]

His contract ends in a couple of months. You mean give him another contract? And see how he "develops" in the off season? They need to decide now. And it's likely already decided.

Then throw him a minimum.
I think he's shown enough to promise.

Watch on YouTube

If we want to play this aggressive defense we need to think about complete unit subs similar to the bench mob days. Banton, Trent Jr, Achiuwa, Boucher, and Koloko would be interesting to see in spurts. The lack of shooting would be bad but the defense could be amazing.

We would benefit from a more creative approach to minutes distribution. Hockey style substitutions could work and we have the personnel to do it.

All of Koloko, Dowtin, Banton, Flynn, Champagnie and Yuta have shown that they can be NBA contributors and have even been key contributors in games we've won. But they are also asked to adjust to inconsistent roles and playing with random teammates and adapt to different situations with little to no rhyme or reason. Some of them being bounced back and forth from the NBA to G League with no clear path to minutes regardless of their G League production.

None has been set up for success. History tells me that Dowtin is simply the flavour of the month and will at some point get benched and never see the floor for long stretches. Only to be inserted randomly here and there in an unfamiliar role, where if he struggles, the coach will say we gave him a chance but he didn't really seize the opportunity...then never play him again.

At this point, it's clearly a systemic issue. We've won lots of games playing these guys important minutes...and we've also lost tons of games when they didn't touch the floor, while overplaying our starters to diminishing results.

Banton could do well with a more measured and consistent investment in his development. But he's not a pg. He's a combo guard if anything, that has shown promise developing his shot...and he should continue working on defense, shooting and slashing.

Our players are being set up for failure due to a coach that can't take a longer view.

[MonkBatter42]

Was Banton even on any other team's mid-late 2nd round radar? If we hadn't drafted him, what were the chances that he wasn't going to be selected at all? I wish we would move on with this obsession with "length" and "potential", despite the glaring limitations of these platers. I wish Masai and Bobby would for once just draft or acquire a skilled athletic baller, and not some unexplosive and raw "longboi".

[C_Money]

Was Banton even on any other team's mid-late 2nd round radar? If we hadn't drafted him, what were the chances that he wasn't going to be selected at all? I wish we would move on with this obsession with "length" and "potential", despite the glaring limitations of these platers. I wish Masai and Bobby would for once just draft or acquire a skilled athletic baller, and not some unexplosive and raw "longboi".

Agreed. There’s almost a zero percent chance you will find a diamond in the rough with these offensively challenged players. If you draft players with some offensive skill (like Norm Powell) you are at least giving yourself a chance.