JJ Redick and most Milllenial NBA fans dont have a clue.

[RHODEY]

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[ChaseDown]

I think I’m on JJ’s & math’s side on this one.

TLDW version:
Random guy: Bird is a top 5 3-pt shooter of all time
JJ: No
Random guy: Did you see the All-Star 3-pt shootout he put on?
JJ: There have been more shooter in history with more volume & better FG%
Random guy: The physicality Bird had to go through!
JJ: Well, I seen Smart on Curry off-ball the entire time (applying he deals with this on a game to game basis)
SAS: guise com down

Nique: PUT SOME RESPEK ON MY ERA

In other words, making something out of nothing. Curry is still the greatest shooter of all time.

[Tottery]

The game has changed. You can no longer keep your hands on an opponent and control where they go the whole time. In that regard, I agree with Wilkins.

[Revived]

I think I’m on JJ’s & math’s side on this one.

TLDW version:
Random guy: Bird is a top 5 3-pt shooter of all time
JJ: No
Random guy: Did you see the All-Star 3-pt shootout he put on?
JJ: There have been more shooter in history with more volume & better FG%
Random guy: The physicality Bird had to go through!
JJ: Well, I seen Smart on Curry off-ball the entire time (applying he deals with this on a game to game basis)
SAS: guise com down

Nique: PUT SOME RESPEK ON MY ERA

In other words, making something out of nothing. Curry is still the greatest shooter of all time.

It’s not the point that they’re arguing. Their arguing the point that Redick said Curry faced more physical defenses in his career than Larry Bird did in his career.

[JimmyPlopper]

Redick is entirely off base if he said that. Not a surprise.

[Lockdown504090]

i give credence to bird because he was doing this with nothing to go off of. Reggie miller got to watch bird, allen got to watch ray, steph got to watch ray off ball, and harden watched curry off the dribble. bird was just pulling this stuff out of his ass as he went along mechanics wise and still beccame one of the best ever.

if you have klay in there over him, what does klay do that bird cant do, and what did klay bring to the table thats unique? or anyone other than harden steph and miller?

[skones]

From a pure skill level when it comes to shot variance and the three point shooting, JJ's not wrong.

[JimmyPlopper]

From a pure skill level when it comes to shot variance, he's not wrong.

Did you post this in the wrong thread? It doesn't seem to correspond whatsoever to the question of which era was more physical.

[moderndarwin]

It’s a non arguable fact that Steph has faced significantly tougher defenses than Bird. And i think Bird is a top 3-5 ever player. Steph gets held constantly and the athleticism of defenders of this era is simply unmatched. Bird would have no problem he’s a better Luka but his era was soft as charmin honestly. They gave guys like a 2 foot buffer to shoot outside shots. You didn’t need to create separation you simply were given itz

[skones]

From a pure skill level when it comes to shot variance, he's not wrong.

Did you post this in the wrong thread? It doesn't seem to correspond whatsoever to the question of which era was more physical.

The comment that this spawned from was the guy saying that Larry Bird was a top 5 three point shooter of all time. Did you watch the video?

More physical as an era? No. Do three point shooters, specifically, face more physicality than they did in Bird's era? Definitely.

[HotelVitale]

The game has changed. You can no longer keep your hands on an opponent and control where they go the whole time. In that regard, I agree with Wilkins.

You were absolutely never able to put pressure on a driving player or 'control' them--watch any old game and you'll see almost zero handchecking on the perimeter. Sometimes on players who are posting up from around the FT line but nothing like what people imagine. It just didn't really happen.

It's also not at all relevant to this discussion. Two clear reasons for that:
1) players back then basically weren't guarded at all outside the 3pt line so definitely weren't being handchecked out there
2) players now almost never iso from the perimeter to get their shots off, so if you could handcheck all day it wouldn't matter

There's no need to look for obscure reasons for this either, the bottom line is that players in Bird's era absolutely could've pulled up from 25-30 feet away, those shots weren't close to defended. They just didn't, it wasn't part of what made sense to them then. (If you had the ball out there, it was beacuse you were waiting to pass it to someone closer to the basket.) Bird probably would've been really good at those shots, but he never got the chance to show what he could do. Curry did, and he's absurdly good at them.

I'm pretty sure that's Redick's basic point, or at least that's the point he should've made. Sure, lots of shooters from the past were probably extremely talented, but they didn't even get the chance to try to match the stuff that players now are doing all the time. So it's really hard to argue they're the best 3pt shooters of all time.

[bstein14]

In bird's era you used to be able to put your hand on the shooter and it wasn't a foul. Then for a while they got rid of that and you could still just a forearm. Now you can't touch someone when they shoot the ball.... you can't even jump towards them because if they land on your foot its now a foul. So in reality, the game has changed in a way to increase offensive efficiency. If Curry played in the 80s, he wouldn't shoot as high of a percentage from 3 and he does in the NBA today.

[JimmyPlopper]

From a pure skill level when it comes to shot variance, he's not wrong.

Did you post this in the wrong thread? It doesn't seem to correspond whatsoever to the question of which era was more physical.

The comment that this spawned from was the guy saying that Larry Bird was a top 5 three point shooter of all time. Did you watch the video?

More physical as an era? No. Do three point shooters, specifically, face more physicality than they did in Bird's era? Definitely.

Completely wrong on the second point lol.

[HotelVitale]

In bird's era you used to be able to put your hand on the shooter and it wasn't a foul. Then for a while they got rid of that and you could still just a forearm. Now you can't touch someone when they shoot the ball.... you can't even jump towards them because if they land on your foot its now a foul. So in reality, the game has changed in a way to increase offensive efficiency. If Curry played in the 80s, he wouldn't shoot as high of a percentage from 3 and he does in the NBA today.

See my above point, this is neither true nor relevant. 1 minute of any game from the 80s will show you that.

[skones]

Did you post this in the wrong thread? It doesn't seem to correspond whatsoever to the question of which era was more physical.

The comment that this spawned from was the guy saying that Larry Bird was a top 5 three point shooter of all time. Did you watch the video?

More physical as an era? No. Do three point shooters, specifically, face more physicality than they did in Bird's era? Definitely.

Completely wrong on the second point lol.

Not at all. Go ahead and watch games in the 80s and 90s. Players were so selective with their attempts, they were squared up, and open. The off ball actions to get shooters open, running through the muck in the paint and on the wings, also wasn't as prevalent. Go ahead and watch a video of Bird actually shooting triples, he's not getting touched, and it's because he's wide open, trailing, or bringing the ball freely up the court.

Watch this video! Look at Larry get mauled shooting threes! lol

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[bstein14]

Not a foul in the 80s you could put your hand right on the jumpshooter.

[ReddoverKobe]

Someone watched a 3 minute youtube video of hard fouls from the 80's and 90's again. Go find a normal regular season game and get back to us.

I'll never understand why NBA fans are the only ones who seem to argue that the older generation of players is/was better. Its wild if you watched the NBA for any amount of time.

[og15]

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[JimmyPlopper]

The comment that this spawned from was the guy saying that Larry Bird was a top 5 three point shooter of all time. Did you watch the video?

More physical as an era? No. Do three point shooters, specifically, face more physicality than they did in Bird's era? Definitely.

Completely wrong on the second point lol.

Not at all. Go ahead and watch games in the 80s and 90s. Players were so selective with their attempts, they were squared up, and open. The off ball actions to get shooters open, running through the muck in the paint and on the wings, also wasn't as prevalent. Go ahead and watch a video of Bird actually shooting triples, he's not getting touched, and it's because he's wide open, trailing, or bringing the ball freely up the court.

Watch this video! Look at Larry get mauled shooting threes! lol

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Okay on one hand I agree with you in the sense that those attempting to shoot a three would typically meet less resistance because of how defenses were designed and the three was less common. But with hand checking legal, the defense and resistance that they would apply would be much more physical, as they were guided by the rules of the time

[ReddoverKobe]

Not a foul in the 80s you could put your hand right on the jumpshooter.

Cool, we got one photo.

How about this/ Look at this defense!

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