Re: Trade Talk (Part Eleven): 2022 Offseason Edition

[Devilzsidewalk]

Some other targets wolves tried to get

Crowder would've been nice, but I don't know how he fits into the rotation if healthy. Granted, Anderson misses every other game, so maybe not an issue.

Devil do you know which one of those guys is Kevin Love's Uncle?
Those are the Beach Boys right?

Mike Love. He was in the middle until I put Kevin's face over his. Some of the best photo-shopping in history imo.

[minimus]

On GB I found one interesting trade idea for next offseason if Towns and Gobert cant work together: Towns for Mikal Bridges. I like this deal a lot because Bridges has four full seasons in contract 20mil per year.

Framework can be following Towns for Bridges, Harris, 2 top-10 protected picks.

Why for BRO: they get offensive minded big who meshes well with Claxton, Ben Simmons, DFS and O'Neal

Why for MIN: build around defensive identity Gobert in the paint MCD-Bridges on perimeter.

Gobert/Reid/Garza
Anderson/MCD/Knight
MCD/Bridges/TP + Minott
Edwards/Bridges/Harris + Moore
Conley/JMac/NAW

[BlacJacMac]

On GB I found one interesting trade idea for next offseason if Towns and Gobert cant work together: Towns for Mikal Bridges. I like this deal a lot because Bridges has four full seasons in contract 20mil per year.

Framework can be following Towns for Bridges, Harris, 2 top-10 protected picks.

Why for BRO: they get offensive minded big who meshes well with Claxton, Ben Simmons, DFS and O'Neal

Why for MIN: build around defensive identity Gobert in the paint MCD-Bridges on perimeter.

Gobert/Reid/Garza
Anderson/MCD/Knight
MCD/Bridges/TP + Minott
Edwards/Bridges/Harris + Moore
Conley/JMac/NAW

You're bringing Bridges off the bench?

Dude is one of the best, and most versatile, defenders in the game. He's a career 38% 3pt shooter, and may be showing signs of having even more offensive upside in Brooklyn. And as you said, his contract is an absolute steal for 3 more years.

If (and its a BIG if) Brooklyn would go for that deal, I think you have to start Edwards/Bridges/McD in a very switchable 2/3/4.

Also Brooklyn can't trade their own 1st round picks until 2028 as Houston has a lock on picks and swaps with them. So I think to get three it would have to be:

2023: Phoenix (this should be available because they also have a complicated swap involving Houston, Philly and Utah)
2025: Phoenix (their pick is tied up in a Houston swap)
2027: Philly ot Phoenix

[minimus]

On GB I found one interesting trade idea for next offseason if Towns and Gobert cant work together: Towns for Mikal Bridges. I like this deal a lot because Bridges has four full seasons in contract 20mil per year.

Framework can be following Towns for Bridges, Harris, 2 top-10 protected picks.

Why for BRO: they get offensive minded big who meshes well with Claxton, Ben Simmons, DFS and O'Neal

Why for MIN: build around defensive identity Gobert in the paint MCD-Bridges on perimeter.

Gobert/Reid/Garza
Anderson/MCD/Knight
MCD/Bridges/TP + Minott
Edwards/Bridges/Harris + Moore
Conley/JMac/NAW

You're bringing Bridges off the bench?

Dude is one of the best, and most versatile, defenders in the game. He's a career 38% 3pt shooter, and may be showing signs of having even more offensive upside in Brooklyn. And as you said, his contract is an absolute steal for 3 more years.

If (and its a BIG if) Brooklyn would go for that deal, I think you have to start Edwards/Bridges/McD in a very switchable 2/3/4.

Also Brooklyn can't trade their own 1st round picks until 2028 as Houston has a lock on picks and swaps with them. So I think to get three it would have to be:

2023: Phoenix (this should be available because they also have a complicated swap involving Houston, Philly and Utah)
2025: Phoenix (their pick is tied up in a Houston swap)
2027: Philly ot Phoenix

My idea was making Bridges designated 6th man with starter minutes, but to use him as scorer against bench. His defense in any case would be noticable upgrade, but if we rotate him, Anderson and MCD wisely we might have the most suffocating perimeter defense in the league for 48 minutes

[Mamba4Goat]

Who is the best sixth man scorer that the team could reasonably trade Prince and/or Moore and 2nds if needed for? Theoretically the Prince minutes can be taken by NAW, Minott, and a healthy KAT which could make him more of a luxury than a need.

[KGdaBom]

Crowder would've been nice, but I don't know how he fits into the rotation if healthy. Granted, Anderson misses every other game, so maybe not an issue.

Devil do you know which one of those guys is Kevin Love's Uncle?
Those are the Beach Boys right?

Mike Love. He was in the middle until I put Kevin's face over his. Some of the best photo-shopping in history imo.

Thanks. Can you show the pic without the photoshopping or have Kevin over somebody else's face? I want to see Mike.

[KGdaBom]

On GB I found one interesting trade idea for next offseason if Towns and Gobert cant work together: Towns for Mikal Bridges. I like this deal a lot because Bridges has four full seasons in contract 20mil per year.

Framework can be following Towns for Bridges, Harris, 2 top-10 protected picks.

Why for BRO: they get offensive minded big who meshes well with Claxton, Ben Simmons, DFS and O'Neal

Why for MIN: build around defensive identity Gobert in the paint MCD-Bridges on perimeter.

Gobert/Reid/Garza
Anderson/MCD/Knight
MCD/Bridges/TP + Minott
Edwards/Bridges/Harris + Moore
Conley/JMac/NAW

I hate trading KAT, but if we're going to do it that's a pretty decent deal. I wish KAT could stay healthy. I bet we really could have had something.

[minimus]

I have been thinking about one move to make this roster work. I dont know if it makes sense from financial point, but here is my solution:

Naz Reid (sign-and-trade) for Caruso

Why for CHI: Reid can be cheaper, younger alternative to 33yo to Vuc whos contract will expire this summer.
Why for MIN: get elite PoA, make MCD more roaming defender, build defensive identity.

Re-sign Garza, NAW, keep Knight. Offer Joe Ingles slightly above min vetmin.

Gobert/Knight/Garza
Towns/Anderson/Minott
MCD/TP/Ingles
Edwards/NAW/Moore
Conley/Caruso/JMac

[Colbinii]

I have been thinking about one move to make this roster work. I dont know if it makes sense from financial point, but here is my solution:

Naz Reid (sign-and-trade) for Caruso

Why for CHI: Reid can be cheaper, younger alternative to 33yo to Vuc whos contract will expire this summer.
Why for MIN: get elite PoA, make MCD more roaming defender, build defensive identity.

Re-sign Garza, NAW, keep Knight. Offer Joe Ingles slightly above min vetmin.

Gobert/Knight/Garza
Towns/Anderson/Minott
MCD/TP/Ingles
Edwards/NAW/Moore
Conley/Caruso/JMac

Caruso is worth more than Naz Reid who is a Free Agent.

We would need to add Moore, which I would be fine with.

[minimus]

I have been thinking about one move to make this roster work. I dont know if it makes sense from financial point, but here is my solution:

Naz Reid (sign-and-trade) for Caruso

Why for CHI: Reid can be cheaper, younger alternative to 33yo to Vuc whos contract will expire this summer.
Why for MIN: get elite PoA, make MCD more roaming defender, build defensive identity.

Re-sign Garza, NAW, keep Knight. Offer Joe Ingles slightly above min vetmin.

Gobert/Knight/Garza
Towns/Anderson/Minott
MCD/TP/Ingles
Edwards/NAW/Moore
Conley/Caruso/JMac

Caruso is worth more than Naz Reid who is a Free Agent.

We would need to add Moore, which I would be fine with.

Does our Bird rights make difference for CHI?

[Colbinii]

I have been thinking about one move to make this roster work. I dont know if it makes sense from financial point, but here is my solution:

Naz Reid (sign-and-trade) for Caruso

Why for CHI: Reid can be cheaper, younger alternative to 33yo to Vuc whos contract will expire this summer.
Why for MIN: get elite PoA, make MCD more roaming defender, build defensive identity.

Re-sign Garza, NAW, keep Knight. Offer Joe Ingles slightly above min vetmin.

Gobert/Knight/Garza
Towns/Anderson/Minott
MCD/TP/Ingles
Edwards/NAW/Moore
Conley/Caruso/JMac

Caruso is worth more than Naz Reid who is a Free Agent.

We would need to add Moore, which I would be fine with.

Does our Bird rights make difference for CHI?

At the cost of the best POA defender in the league who is leading the NBA in Defensive RAPTOR and has had INSANE Defensive On/Off Metrics throughout his career?

No.

[minimus]

I have been thinking about one move to make this roster work. I dont know if it makes sense from financial point, but here is my solution:

Naz Reid (sign-and-trade) for Caruso

Why for CHI: Reid can be cheaper, younger alternative to 33yo to Vuc whos contract will expire this summer.
Why for MIN: get elite PoA, make MCD more roaming defender, build defensive identity.

Re-sign Garza, NAW, keep Knight. Offer Joe Ingles slightly above min vetmin.

Gobert/Knight/Garza
Towns/Anderson/Minott
MCD/TP/Ingles
Edwards/NAW/Moore
Conley/Caruso/JMac

Another option could be Josh Hart, if he declines his player option. Although I dont see how we can get him as UFA

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[Devilzsidewalk]

Devil do you know which one of those guys is Kevin Love's Uncle?
Those are the Beach Boys right?

Mike Love. He was in the middle until I put Kevin's face over his. Some of the best photo-shopping in history imo.

Thanks. Can you show the pic without the photoshopping or have Kevin over somebody else's face? I want to see Mike.

I don't know where the pic is from, I made it during the George Bush administration.

[shrink]

So here’s a little question that I think is harder than it seems. If you traded KAT to build around Ant, who’s a better choice?

For me, I think it’s hard to beat Towns. Ant’s a guard, so you want a big to compliment him, and an unselfish one who will not take the ball out of Ant’s hands. That big needs to be unselfish, to give Ant the runway for greatness. He needs to be a star, and since Minnesota is a poor free agent destination, he needs to be someone committed to Minnesota and not going to immediately demand a trade. Ant can score inside and outside, so a big that can do both can create space for Ant to do either - and Towns is one of the best bigs in the league to do that. If Gobert (and Jaden McDaniels) removes some of the defense you’d need from that big, it’s hard for me to think of any attainable player that fits better with Edwards.

[Klomp]

So here’s a little question that I think is harder than it seems. If you traded KAT to build around Ant, who’s a better choice?

For me, I think it’s hard to beat Towns. Ant’s a guard, so you want a big to compliment him, and an unselfish one who will not take the ball out of Ant’s hands. That big needs to be unselfish, to give Ant the runway for greatness. He needs to be a star, and since Minnesota is a poor free agent destination, he needs to be someone committed to Minnesota and not going to immediately demand a trade. Ant can score inside and outside, so a big that can do both can create space for Ant to do either - and Towns is one of the best bigs in the league to do that. If Gobert (and Jaden McDaniels) removes some of the defense you’d need from that big, it’s hard for me to think of any attainable player that fits better with Edwards.

I'm hoping Towns has heeded this advice from someone in Paul George who he's pretty close to.

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[Domejandro]

While the inclusion of Nickeil Alexander-Walker in the Mike Conley trade garners a lot of (deserved) attention, something that I think is also worth serious consideration is the value of Tim Connelly finessing the three seconds out of the deal.

Currently, Minnesota has the following seconds to trade:

Spoiler:

2023: #54 (New York)
2024: Memphis/Washington (Least favourable)
2025: Utah
2026: Utah, Indiana/Miami/San Antonio (Least favourable)
2027: N/A
2028: MIN
2029: MIN
2030: MIN

Excluding the 2023 SRP, Minnesota has six seconds to trade during the 2023/24 season. Below is a breakdown of every 2023 Trade Deadline deals involving primarily Second Round Draft Picks.

Spoiler:

Mason Plumlee --> Reggie Jackson (Waived) + 2028 Second

Darius Bazely --> Dario Šarić + 2029 Second and Cash

Mo Bamba --> Patrick Beverly (Waived) + 2024 Second and Cash

Jalen McDaniels + 2024 Second --> Svi Mykhailiuk + Two Seconds

Bones Hyland --> Two Seconds

Mike Muscala --> Justin Jackson (Waived) + Two Seconds

Bruno Fernando + Garrison Matthews --> Justin Holiday, Frank Kaminsky, and Two Seconds

Luke Kennard --> Danny Green (Waived) + Three Seconds

Thomas Bryant --> Davon Reed + Three Seconds

Josh Richardson --> Devonte' Graham + Four Seconds

Saddiq Bey --> Kevin Knox + Five Seconds

Gary Payton II --> Kevin Knox + Five Seconds

Jae Crowder --> George Hill, Jordan Nwora, Serge Ibaka, and Five Seconds


Two other deals worth mentioning are....

Jakob Poeltl --> 2024 First (1-6 Protected) + Two Seconds

Clippers received:
Eric Gordon + Three Seconds --> Luke Kennard, John Wall, and 2023 FRP Swap*

*The swap is Milwaukee's FRP (#30) for the Los Angeles Clippers (currently #16, tons of play-in variance)

Tradeable expiring contracts include:

Mike Conley - $24,360,000
Kyle Anderson - $9,219,512
Taurean Prince - $7,650,000
Jordan McLaughlin - $2,320,000

Next season, Minnesota's roster is shaping up to be...

Mike Conley / Jordan McLaughlin
Anthony Edwards / Nickeil Alexander Walker (RFA) /
Jaden McDaniels / Taurean Prince / Wendell Moore Jr.
Karl-Anthony Towns / Kyle Anderson / Josh Minott
Rudy Gobert / Nathan Knight

+ Naz Reid (Hopefully!), MLE, and #54


Alongside whatever they do with the MLE and retaining Naz Reid, Minnesota is now better positioned to make a move during the 2024 Trade Deadline to fully round out the roster. Doubling their Second Round Draft Pick capital enables a lot of flexibility.

[TwolvesFanRome]

@Dome so we can afford both Naw and Naz ?

I hope in this scenario!

[minimus]

@Dome so we can afford both Naw and Naz ?

I hope in this scenario!

We can go over cap even if sign both (Bird rights for Naz and RFA for NAW). The question is should we. Although we can sign and trade Naz, at least for me it would be a good way to re-invest assets.

[Domejandro]

@Dome so we can afford both Naw and Naz ?

I hope in this scenario!

Next season, if Minnesota picks up all options (including Nathan Knight), they are at $144,140,750, with an expected Luxury-Tax threshold of $162 million. Being conservative at $17MM in space, Minnesota can likely resign Naz Reid and Nickeil Alexander-Walker, along with their Second Round Draft Pick and one minimum pickup (no MLE).

If the Timberwolves' ownership group are willing to dip into the Luxury-Tax, they have a bit more flexibility, but if not, the team is realistically looking at either retaining Naz Reid or moving forward with using the Mid-Level Exception.

[life_saver]

I'd definitely prioritize re-signing NAW over Naz