Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5

WaltFrazier · Post #341 » by **WaltFrazier** » Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:34 am

kanahda ballz wrote:It was mentioned during the broadcast of last Sundays game that Scottie Barnes is the only player in the NBA this season with:

800 Points
300 Rebounds
200 Assists
50 Steals
40 Blocks

Read on Twitter
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Even taking into account games missed by players due to injuries and pro rating their numbers for the full amount of their teams games played, the only other player to match those numbers over the 5 categories would be Joel Embiid.

Giannis just missed in the steals category and Tatum just missed in the blocks category.

Yes, it is somewhat nitpicking of stats. However, it demonstrates the versatility of this 2nd year NBA player.

And with probable big leaps in points per game and assists per game over the next 3-4 years, this goes to show how much of a high ceiling this 21 year old player may have.

Love see him get a 5x5 game one day

Boogie! · Post #342 » by **Boogie!** » Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:01 am

WaltFrazier wrote:
kanahda ballz wrote:It was mentioned during the broadcast of last Sundays game that Scottie Barnes is the only player in the NBA this season with:

800 Points
300 Rebounds
200 Assists
50 Steals
40 Blocks

Read on Twitter
?lang=en

Even taking into account games missed by players due to injuries and pro rating their numbers for the full amount of their teams games played, the only other player to match those numbers over the 5 categories would be Joel Embiid.

Giannis just missed in the steals category and Tatum just missed in the blocks category.

Yes, it is somewhat nitpicking of stats. However, it demonstrates the versatility of this 2nd year NBA player.

And with probable big leaps in points per game and assists per game over the next 3-4 years, this goes to show how much of a high ceiling this 21 year old player may have.

Love see him get a 5x5 game one day

All he needs is a jumpshot. Guy needs to really work on that in the summer. Get a reliable pull up j, and be a threat from catch and shoot 3 and he's deadly. Combine that with his floor game and passing game, once teams start having to guard him its over. I really hope he develops that jumper. Without a jumper he's destined to be a 15/7/5 guy for the rest of his career because he doesn't have the explosive athleticism of guys like lebron or giannis. Which still isn't bad but more of supporting cast member than star.

NotMyKawhi · Post #343 » by **NotMyKawhi** » Wed Feb 22, 2023 9:56 pm

playoffs every year of his career

book it

djsunyc · Post #344 » by **djsunyc** » Thu Feb 23, 2023 2:44 am

Watch on YouTube

nurse on scottie around the 11 min mark - again saying he's gotta be the one to be assertive

whitehops · Post #345 » by **whitehops** » Thu Feb 23, 2023 1:07 pm

djsunyc wrote:nurse on scottie around the 11 min mark - again saying he's gotta be the one to be assertive

scottie doesn't have the skill/scoring ability to be more assertive if he's trying to create his own offense.

ATLTimekeeper · Post #346 » by **ATLTimekeeper** » Thu Feb 23, 2023 1:48 pm

whitehops wrote:
djsunyc wrote:nurse on scottie around the 11 min mark - again saying he's gotta be the one to be assertive

scottie doesn't have the skill/scoring ability to be more assertive if he's trying to create his own offense.

In the clip Nurse talks about when he's specifically bringing the ball up the court and getting into the paint and they sort of characterize it as transition or semi-transition, making a play for himself or someone else. I think Nurse is well aware that Scottie can't do much against a half court set defense because of his skill limitations. But any time he's bringing the ball up he has an opportunity to push it a little more and see what he can get.

anotherhomer · Post #347 » by **anotherhomer** » Sat Feb 25, 2023 8:30 pm

That game from scottie at pg was ugly....
I'm not sure what to say? But he maybe just a good player and thats it...not a star though

Los_29 · Post #348 » by **Los_29** » Sat Feb 25, 2023 8:32 pm

anotherhomer wrote:That game from scottie at pg was ugly....
I'm not sure what to say? But he maybe just a good player and thats it...not a star though

He can definitely be a star. He doesn't need to be a point guard to be a star. He's only 21 and he's been playing really well in 2023.

VanWest82 · Post #349 » by **VanWest82** » Sat Feb 25, 2023 8:38 pm

anotherhomer wrote:That game from scottie at pg was ugly....
I'm not sure what to say? But he maybe just a good player and thats it...not a star though

Pretty early still and we knew it was going to take a while given how raw he was coming into the draft. I like his vision from the top of the key and he makes decent reads in transition. We still need to keep a lead ball handler though. Scottie is way more "forward that can pass a little" than "starting PG" material.

JShuttlesworth · Post #350 » by **JShuttlesworth** » Sat Feb 25, 2023 8:41 pm

Scottie now has over 900 points this season and is closing in on his 2nd 1000+ point season

For comparison, OG has never scored 1000 points in any season as a Raptor, Fred will have his third 1000+ point season this year (currently 985)

blastttOFF · Post #351 » by **blastttOFF** » Sat Feb 25, 2023 8:43 pm

JShuttlesworth wrote:Scottie now has over 900 points this season and is closing in on his 2nd 1000+ point season

For comparison, OG has never scored 1000 points in any season as a Raptor, Fred will have his third 1000+ point season this year (currently 985)

34487 points to go

Post #352 » by **Reeko** » Sat Feb 25, 2023 8:55 pm

VanWest82 wrote:
anotherhomer wrote:That game from scottie at pg was ugly....
I'm not sure what to say? But he maybe just a good player and thats it...not a star though

Pretty early still and we knew it was going to take a while given how raw he was coming into the draft. I like his vision from the top of the key and he makes decent reads in transition. We still need to keep a lead ball handler though. Scottie is way more "forward that can pass a little" than "starting PG" material.

He is by far the best passer on the team, like by a wide margin. He is not just a forward who can pass a little.

VanWest82 · Post #353 » by **VanWest82** » Sat Feb 25, 2023 9:02 pm

Reeko wrote:
VanWest82 wrote:
anotherhomer wrote:That game from scottie at pg was ugly....
I'm not sure what to say? But he maybe just a good player and thats it...not a star though

Pretty early still and we knew it was going to take a while given how raw he was coming into the draft. I like his vision from the top of the key and he makes decent reads in transition. We still need to keep a lead ball handler though. Scottie is way more "forward that can pass a little" than "starting PG" material.

He is by far the best passer on the team, like by a wide margin. He is not just a forward who can pass a little.

That's definitely not what the stats say. But my point was more about his ball handling than passing. He's a good passer - I'm not trying to criticize that part of his game. He isn't skilled enough to be a lead ball handler, and so playing him at PG is probably premature at this point.

Klayforspicy · Post #354 » by **Klayforspicy** » Sat Feb 25, 2023 9:11 pm

JShuttlesworth wrote:Scottie now has over 900 points this season and is closing in on his 2nd 1000+ point season

For comparison, OG has never scored 1000 points in any season as a Raptor, Fred will have his third 1000+ point season this year (currently 985)

And he’s doing it as the 4th option, sometimes 5th depending on OG shooting.

Tha Cynic · Post #355 » by **Tha Cynic** » Sat Feb 25, 2023 9:43 pm

Barnes simply needs to be more aggressive on offense because Nurse isn't going to adjust anything. If he had Aichuwa or Boucher's selfishness, he would be averaging over 20 points per game right now. He has that dog in him. He needs to bring it out more. His biggest problem right now is not being able to identify when to defer vs when to take over.

pingpongrac · Post #356 » by **pingpongrac** » Sat Feb 25, 2023 10:36 pm

Reeko wrote:
VanWest82 wrote:
anotherhomer wrote:That game from scottie at pg was ugly....
I'm not sure what to say? But he maybe just a good player and thats it...not a star though

Pretty early still and we knew it was going to take a while given how raw he was coming into the draft. I like his vision from the top of the key and he makes decent reads in transition. We still need to keep a lead ball handler though. Scottie is way more "forward that can pass a little" than "starting PG" material.

He is by far the best passer on the team, like by a wide margin. He is not just a forward who can pass a little.

He has the best vision and he is the most ambitious with his passes which leads to a lot of highlight reel plays, but he has just as many bad passes where he forces and/or overcomplicates a simple pass by throwing in some extra flair (no-look, full-court touchdown passes, cross-court skip passes, etc.). It's hard to agree with him being the best passer by a wide margin right now when he has more bad pass turnovers than both Siakam and FVV (19 more than Siakam and 18 more than FVV) while also having less assists (both per game and in total), but he definitely has the highest ceiling as a passer. He just makes way too many bad reads now, but that is to be expected by a young player and we'll live with it as it continues to pay off more and more every season.

The bigger issue is he has proven time and time again to not be a good ball-handler at this point in time and his lack of an outside shot makes it an even more glaring issue combined with his general lack of a quick first step. That handle needs to be a lot tighter and he needs to be a more willing and efficient shooter from outside of the paint if he ever wants to be the lead ball handler.

hype_2004 · Post #357 » by **hype_2004** » Sat Feb 25, 2023 11:14 pm

VanWest82 wrote:
Reeko wrote:
VanWest82 wrote:Pretty early still and we knew it was going to take a while given how raw he was coming into the draft. I like his vision from the top of the key and he makes decent reads in transition. We still need to keep a lead ball handler though. Scottie is way more "forward that can pass a little" than "starting PG" material.

He is by far the best passer on the team, like by a wide margin. He is not just a forward who can pass a little.

That's definitely not what the stats say. But my point was more about his ball handling than passing. He's a good passer - I'm not trying to criticize that part of his game. He isn't skilled enough to be a lead ball handler, and so playing him at PG is probably premature at this point.

He's playing PG right now and we're 4-0 keep him there for his passing and defense. He is more engaged in the perimeter than in the post, he deflects passes by quite a good margin. He might get blown by a few times but he always shield the ballhandlers to our CENTER Jak which causes a few **** changes and blocks, he's doing more than scoring, it's the intangibles that Barnes brings that makes this a winning team.

Post #358 » by **HiJiNX** » Sat Feb 25, 2023 11:24 pm

I think some of y’all need to adjust your expectations to be congruent with where Scottie is in is development. He’s a fairly raw second year player who has been used more as a connecting piece than as a lead initiator so of course it’s going to look ugly at times when he’s given the rock and asked to create. He still has an immense ceiling if he can develop his handle and jumper while becoming more aggressive. It’s not a guarantee to happen but the best case scenario is an MVP calibre player. I’m willing to live through some growing pains to get there.

mdenny · Post #359 » by **mdenny** » Sun Feb 26, 2023 12:37 am

Los_29 wrote:
anotherhomer wrote:That game from scottie at pg was ugly....
I'm not sure what to say? But he maybe just a good player and thats it...not a star though

He can definitely be a star. He doesn't need to be a point guard to be a star. He's only 21 and he's been playing really well in 2023.

I think at the half he had 0 points 1 assist and 1 turnover? Something like that. That's not good output from the pg position.

It's a noon game so I don't think any definitive proof can be derived but there's plenty of other data suggesting he's just not an nba point guard.

Seems clear to me that he's a very unique point forward....but with real star potential. Most point forwards aren't star players but if any young player in the league has the potential to do it....it's scotty.

Los_29 · Post #360 » by **Los_29** » Sun Feb 26, 2023 12:55 am

mdenny wrote:
Los_29 wrote:
anotherhomer wrote:That game from scottie at pg was ugly....
I'm not sure what to say? But he maybe just a good player and thats it...not a star though

He can definitely be a star. He doesn't need to be a point guard to be a star. He's only 21 and he's been playing really well in 2023.

I think at the half he had 0 points 1 assist and 1 turnover? Something like that. That's not good output from the pg position.

It's a noon game so I don't think any definitive proof can be derived but there's plenty of other data suggesting he's just not an nba point guard.

Seems clear to me that he's a very unique point forward....but with real star potential. Most point forwards aren't star players but if any young player in the league has the potential to do it....it's scotty.

I agree, I also don't see why he has to be a point guard. Shouldn't we be more concerned with trying to put him in the best position to succeed? He's not a point guard (at least right now) and he doesn't have to be in order to be a great player.