2023 Miami Heat Regular Season Thread - Westbrook and Love edition

[twix2500]

If Nikola Jovic is healthy the team needs to fully pull the plug at any variation of Caleb Martin at the 4 and start developing this kid during the stretch run at backup PF. No reason Duncan Robinson should even be touching the floor and it's become absolutely comical the continued mention of needing to improve Duncan's value. Every time that dude touches the floor it looks like he has cement boots on defense and his shot is no longer there no matter how hard he tries. Team should just stretch provision his contract as this point cause it's embarrassing even having him on the roster as a constant reminder of how dumb it was to give him that contract. Nobody and I mean nobody in the NBA is bailing us out on that one unless numerous picks are involved. Duncan belongs on a Shanghai roster or selling Allstate insurance.

Can't even be mad at Duncan yesterday. They didn't even utilize him but on the other hand wtf was Spo thinking running plays for Strus to be a go-too player for a whole quarter

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[twix2500]

As of right now cant be talking about future trades etc. This team has enough to be good, its about how Spo using the roster as well as knocking down shots

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[twix2500]

Duncan and Strus need not be on the floor together. One or the other with Highsmith and Martin if they Spo want to go small. And RUN plays for Dipo! Wth Spo

I don't care if Spo wants to go small with Love at center. No more Duncan, Strus combo and no more running plays for them any more than once or MAYBE twice for the entire game.

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[twix2500]

Strus Curry. And this is not the only plays Spo run for Strus there were more plays in the second quarter that PnR was called for Strus that led to nothing. Look who is in the game and Strus number is called wth?

[contract]

I definitely think we need to consider what is and is not a good deal for Miami with guys like Vincent and Strus. Vincent has had his moments this year, but paying him more than decent backup point guard numbers just isn't worth it. Strus we can let go. Probably should let go. I would like to keep Dipo but only if he opts in or will take a contract with similar money. Otherwise, why bother?

I would like to see this team try and get back to what we were doing last year. Get Love knocking down that corner three, move Herro back to the bench, and give ourselves an actual advantage coming off the bench with a group that includes Martin, Herro, Strus, and Zeller. Start Dipo next to Gabe until Lowry gets back, then move Vincent back to the bench as well. Last year, we were able to do what we did because we could keep the pressure on you from start to finish. Now, we lack balance. Herro really needs to be cast in that Manu Ginobili role...

With Dipo it's less about the money than the years. The most I'd offer him is a 1+1 with the second year being a team option. He's missed more than 1/2 this season so far and hasn't played even 1/2 a season going all the way back to the '17-'18 season. Counting on his health is a recipe for disaster.

[Flash4thewin]

I definitely think we need to consider what is and is not a good deal for Miami with guys like Vincent and Strus. Vincent has had his moments this year, but paying him more than decent backup point guard numbers just isn't worth it. Strus we can let go. Probably should let go. I would like to keep Dipo but only if he opts in or will take a contract with similar money. Otherwise, why bother?

I would like to see this team try and get back to what we were doing last year. Get Love knocking down that corner three, move Herro back to the bench, and give ourselves an actual advantage coming off the bench with a group that includes Martin, Herro, Strus, and Zeller. Start Dipo next to Gabe until Lowry gets back, then move Vincent back to the bench as well. Last year, we were able to do what we did because we could keep the pressure on you from start to finish. Now, we lack balance. Herro really needs to be cast in that Manu Ginobili role...

With Dipo it's less about the money than the years. The most I'd offer him is a 1+1 with the second year being a team option. He's missed more than 1/2 this season so far and hasn't played even 1/2 a season going all the way back to the '17-'18 season. Counting on his health is a recipe for disaster.

I could be wrong but I don’t think he has our played his contract so it’s almost a lock he opts in which will guarantee we pay the tax next year. This team really needs accountability from the top to the bottom which has been sorely lacking.

[Timantha]

Guys... how tf are we this bad on offense? We're down there with the tanking teams

[MartyConlonJr]

Guys... how tf are we this bad on offense? We're down there with the tanking teams

I was just about to come post something similar:
- Lowest team ppg in the league
- 2nd lowest FG% (and 0.1% from lowest)
- 3rd lowest 3 point FG% (0.6% from lowest)
- 8th lowest free throw attempts (thank God we make them at the 2nd highest clip though)
- 8th worst apg (1.1 assist from worst)

[Kobewade11]

Guys... how tf are we this bad on offense? We're down there with the tanking teams

It isnt that hard to figure out, bottom 1/3 in the league in pace and 3 pointers made

[Vertical Limit]

I definitely think we need to consider what is and is not a good deal for Miami with guys like Vincent and Strus. Vincent has had his moments this year, but paying him more than decent backup point guard numbers just isn't worth it. Strus we can let go. Probably should let go. I would like to keep Dipo but only if he opts in or will take a contract with similar money. Otherwise, why bother?

I would like to see this team try and get back to what we were doing last year. Get Love knocking down that corner three, move Herro back to the bench, and give ourselves an actual advantage coming off the bench with a group that includes Martin, Herro, Strus, and Zeller. Start Dipo next to Gabe until Lowry gets back, then move Vincent back to the bench as well. Last year, we were able to do what we did because we could keep the pressure on you from start to finish. Now, we lack balance. Herro really needs to be cast in that Manu Ginobili role...

With Dipo it's less about the money than the years. The most I'd offer him is a 1+1 with the second year being a team option. He's missed more than 1/2 this season so far and hasn't played even 1/2 a season going all the way back to the '17-'18 season. Counting on his health is a recipe for disaster.

I could be wrong but I don’t think he has our played his contract so it’s almost a lock he opts in which will guarantee we pay the tax next year. This team really needs accountability from the top to the bottom which has been sorely lacking.

at least it creates another expiring contract we can pair with lowry in a trade.. that would be 38 million in expirings.. add some picks.. maybe we can find a team that has some real quality players but need a rebuild will trade with us…

[eddieheatfan]

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[dean456]

At this point I'd be willing to go back to something like,

Lowry/Vincent
Robinson/Herro
Butler/Martin or Strus
Love/Highsmith or Martin
Bam/Zeller or Yurt

Enough of these weird lineups that make little sense, go back to running a structured purposeful offense and let Herro go nuts off the bench.

Give Jimmy more of the ball in PnR's and run DHOs with Robinson, Bam and Love.

If the Org not prepared to do that then just sit everyone and maximize the draft and restructure the roster in the offseason.

[MartyConlonJr]

https://www.basketball-reference.com/coaches/NBA_stats.html

Just as the Spo hate continues:
- 21st on the all time winning list
- 0.590 winning percentage
- 5 x Conference Finals
- 2 x Championships
- HOF Coaches above him on win list with a higher winning percentage - Jerry Sloan, Pat Riley, Phil Jackson, Red Auerbach
Non-HOF Coaches above him on win list with a higher winning percentage - Gregg Popovich, Doc Rivers.

HOF Coaches below him with a close resume - Chuck Daly, Rudy Tomjanovich
Non-HOF Coaches below him with a close resume - K.C. Jones, Steve Kerr

Unless you are getting Steve Kerr, I just don't think there are better guys out there.

And if you look at those guys above - Pop had Duncan for 20 years. Phil Jackson had MJ, Pippen, Shaq, Kobe. Sloan had 20 years of Stockton and Malone, Auerbach had the dominant Celtics for forever, Riley had the Showtime Lakers for a long time, Kerr has Had Curry, Klay and Draymond throughout. Rudy had Olajuwon, Chuck had the Bad boys for a very long time.

Spo has had some good teams but has gone through a few reinventions that have brought his winning % down.

I really think Spo is the least of our problems - he may even be a victim of his success because guys that maybe have little business being rotation players elsewhere get turned into contributors for a time before getting figured out by other teams

[3ammy3uck3ts]

https://www.basketball-reference.com/coaches/NBA_stats.html

Just as the Spo hate continues:
- 21st on the all time winning list
- 0.590 winning percentage
- 5 x Conference Finals
- 2 x Championships
- HOF Coaches above him on win list with a higher winning percentage - Jerry Sloan, Pat Riley, Phil Jackson, Red Auerbach
Non-HOF Coaches above him on win list with a higher winning percentage - Gregg Popovich, Doc Rivers.

HOF Coaches below him with a close resume - Chuck Daly, Rudy Tomjanovich
Non-HOF Coaches below him with a close resume - K.C. Jones, Steve Kerr

Unless you are getting Steve Kerr, I just don't think there are better guys out there.

And if you look at those guys above - Pop had Duncan for 20 years. Phil Jackson had MJ, Pippen, Shaq, Kobe. Sloan had 20 years of Stockton and Malone, Auerbach had the dominant Celtics for forever, Riley had the Showtime Lakers for a long time, Kerr has Had Curry, Klay and Draymond throughout. Rudy had Olajuwon, Chuck had the Bad boys for a very long time.

Spo has had some good teams but has gone through a few reinventions that have brought his winning % down.

I really think Spo is the least of our problems - he may even be a victim of his success because guys that maybe have little business being rotation players elsewhere get turned into contributors for a time before getting figured out by other teams

He’s an elite coach, he isn’t going anywhere. This is the worst season of his career though.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Net Ratings:

Jimmy with Bam: +6.4

Jimmy Bam with Herro: +7.9

Jimmy Bam Herro with Martin: +8.7

Jimmy Bam Herro Martin Gabe: +19.4

Jimmy Bam Herro Martin Lowry: +2.7

Jimmy Bam Strus Martin Lowry: +20.1

Jimmy Bam Herro Love Gabe: -23.2

The starting lineup has NEVER been the issue. Our 2 stars have NEVER been the issue. Whether you’re starting Lowry or Gabe, Herro or Strus to boost the bench etc. it has never been the issue. The issue has ALWAYS been the bench.

It’s still super early but Love should not have instantly been inserted into the starting lineup, maybe even at all. He would’ve been a great addition to the bench.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

For reference the Celtics lead the league at a +6.2 net rating. When our stars are on the court together we’re at that level, they’re just surrounded by so many bums that arguably shouldn’t be in the league. This is why I was so adamant about going all in at the deadline and filling the rotation out with the perfect pieces.

[dubasilva]

At this point I'd be willing to go back to something like,

Lowry/Vincent
Robinson/Herro
Butler/Martin or Strus
Love/Highsmith or Martin
Bam/Zeller or Yurt

Enough of these weird lineups that make little sense, go back to running a structured purposeful offense and let Herro go nuts off the bench.

Give Jimmy more of the ball in PnR's and run DHOs with Robinson, Bam and Love.

If the Org not prepared to do that then just sit everyone and maximize the draft and restructure the roster in the offseason.

I totally agree with your comments. Enough BS.

[MartyConlonJr]

I feel like Love starting out if the gate is proof that was a condition of the signing. Spo doesn't do those sort of things organically usually.

[ShulaDon92]

Very interesting lineups. Duncan back at the 2 as a trigger is interesting. Herro off the bench is interesting. Butler and Strus have always been a decent starting combo as well.

Interested in Spo's moves going fwd.

[ShulaDon92]

Spo might see us as some kind of undersized defensive, slowed down team??

Nevertheless, we need to shoot lights out already. We need more run n gun?