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Re: Trade Discussion 22/23 

Post#7161 » by 41Dirk41 » Wed Feb 22, 2023 8:39 pm

arkuo wrote:Miles Bridges mentioned something about a return to the NBA. I think he got parenting seminars and community service for pleading no contest. It wont be the first time a team welcomed back a player like this. But since he doesnt have an active contract (UFA 2022), and Charlotte doesnt look interested in competing, does Dallas make a play for Bridges? Does he play defense? His numbers say he can be a 3rd or 4th best player on the team. Might be a better fit than Wood?

I mean what's the use of putting out trade ideas for 3&D guys when Kidd himself said he just plans to outscore the other team as his main game plan and figure out the interior defense at a later time. If Bridges can get 20 to 25ppg nightly then he can boost Luka and Kyrie's scoring. I think you can play him at PF the same way Harrison Barnes sometimes plays PF on small ball playoff lineups. His fast paced run and gun type of play is perfect with Kyrie and Josh Green. Just keep cutting, jump for lobs, move the ball around and crash boards.


Great talent for sure but i don't think he is a great defender.
Anyway i will make a try for sure. 24 yo.
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Re: Trade Discussion 22/23 

Post#7162 » by dirkules_41 » Thu Feb 23, 2023 8:28 am

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arkuo wrote:Miles Bridges mentioned something about a return to the NBA. I think he got parenting seminars and community service for pleading no contest. It wont be the first time a team welcomed back a player like this. But since he doesnt have an active contract (UFA 2022), and Charlotte doesnt look interested in competing, does Dallas make a play for Bridges? Does he play defense? His numbers say he can be a 3rd or 4th best player on the team. Might be a better fit than Wood?

I mean what's the use of putting out trade ideas for 3&D guys when Kidd himself said he just plans to outscore the other team as his main game plan and figure out the interior defense at a later time. If Bridges can get 20 to 25ppg nightly then he can boost Luka and Kyrie's scoring. I think you can play him at PF the same way Harrison Barnes sometimes plays PF on small ball playoff lineups. His fast paced run and gun type of play is perfect with Kyrie and Josh Green. Just keep cutting, jump for lobs, move the ball around and crash boards.


Great talent for sure but i don't think he is a great defender.
Anyway i will make a try for sure. 24 yo.

I don't think he'll be overly respected in a locker room with his particular criminal record. Lots of NBA players have young families...
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Re: Trade Discussion 22/23 

Post#7163 » by arkuo » Thu Feb 23, 2023 12:13 pm

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arkuo wrote:Miles Bridges mentioned something about a return to the NBA. I think he got parenting seminars and community service for pleading no contest. It wont be the first time a team welcomed back a player like this. But since he doesnt have an active contract (UFA 2022), and Charlotte doesnt look interested in competing, does Dallas make a play for Bridges? Does he play defense? His numbers say he can be a 3rd or 4th best player on the team. Might be a better fit than Wood?

I mean what's the use of putting out trade ideas for 3&D guys when Kidd himself said he just plans to outscore the other team as his main game plan and figure out the interior defense at a later time. If Bridges can get 20 to 25ppg nightly then he can boost Luka and Kyrie's scoring. I think you can play him at PF the same way Harrison Barnes sometimes plays PF on small ball playoff lineups. His fast paced run and gun type of play is perfect with Kyrie and Josh Green. Just keep cutting, jump for lobs, move the ball around and crash boards.


Great talent for sure but i don't think he is a great defender.
Anyway i will make a try for sure. 24 yo.

I don't think he'll be overly respected in a locker room with his particular criminal record. Lots of NBA players have young families...


I dont think the reputation will stick. Malik Beasley is now back like nothing happened. And some team is signing Myers Leonard too I think.
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Re: Trade Discussion 22/23 

Post#7164 » by Mavrelous » Thu Feb 23, 2023 1:08 pm

Uttering racial slur in the heat of a video game <<<< Hitting the mother of your child
Defense wins draft lotteries!
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Re: Trade Discussion 22/23 

Post#7165 » by arkuo » Thu Feb 23, 2023 3:49 pm

Mavrelous wrote:Uttering racial slur in the heat of a video game <<<< Hitting the mother of your child



We know this of course. But people easily forget nowadays. People are just bothered by what's the next big headline and everything else just becomes old news in their social media timelines unfortunately.
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Re: Trade Discussion 22/23 

Post#7166 » by dirkules_41 » Thu Feb 23, 2023 5:31 pm

arkuo wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:Uttering racial slur in the heat of a video game <<<< Hitting the mother of your child



We know this of course. But people easily forget nowadays. People are just bothered by what's the next big headline and everything else just becomes old news in their social media timelines unfortunately.

The way for example Kyrie frequently talks about his family I can not possibly imagine that flying in the locker room.
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Re: Trade Discussion 22/23 

Post#7167 » by 41Dirk41 » Fri Feb 24, 2023 9:18 pm

Guys... Our coach had the same problems... I don't think off court stuff can be a problem.

Plus we have Kyrie :lol:
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Re: Trade Discussion 22/23 

Post#7168 » by ejs78 » Sat Feb 25, 2023 3:00 am

ejs78 wrote:
arkuo wrote:
ejs78 wrote:A decent amount of these moves involved:

Multiple SRPS which the Mavs dont have.
Guys who are going to be bought out that
A few young busts

Not going to really get too upset considering Mavs didn't trade Green or Hardy and no one wants some of the higher contracts.


EJS78 now that Detroit got Wiseman, you think they'd waive Nerlens?


Hard to say.

Weaver likes to hold on to anything he thinks has some sort of value even if its for 1 SRP that is lightyears away. Pistons also dont attract FAs so hanging on to him and picking up his team option wont ruin their summer.

Just my thoughts



29 min mark talks about Detroit holding onto Noel for a future trade:

https://open.spotify.com/episode/4axHieyIvJNTY9fm5MNRyS?si=ppbswg0WQNSQjYRCcd0g_A
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Re: Trade Discussion 22/23 

Post#7169 » by BliscoSantos » Sun Feb 26, 2023 1:22 am

Randle has been ballin out lately for the knicks...i Guess this shows sometimes you have to take a chance on Players when they have crisis...he'd be the Best big Man on the Mavs by far
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Re: Trade Discussion 22/23 

Post#7170 » by Mike lorenzo » Sun Feb 26, 2023 1:20 pm

Is there any way that M.Turner is taking us?..reports say that Indiana has been trying to change it for some time..I'm not sure why they would move it, but that extension they gave it doesn't seem to take it off the market.. What would it cost us? 2FRP? Would they do it?
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Re: Trade Discussion 22/23 

Post#7171 » by bnets » Mon Feb 27, 2023 2:05 am

We should trade Kidd...
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Re: Trade Discussion 22/23 

Post#7172 » by 41Dirk41 » Mon Feb 27, 2023 3:23 am

bnets wrote:We should trade Kidd...


He has less trade value than Powell probably...
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Re: Trade Discussion 22/23 

Post#7173 » by BliscoSantos » Mon Feb 27, 2023 3:32 am

Maybe it's for the Best the Mavs crash and burn this year, then maybe(Just maybe) the FO Will start to realize this team needs a reset(complete overhaul)...this team ain't no good...no capable big Man(there is a reason CWood isn't a huge interest to teams), lack of athleticism , too many one dimensional Players who are too streaky and a bad coaching team(need an ofensive coordinator bad)...i started having my doubts about this FO when i Heard they were looking at Murič(before Dorsey signed) as a two way Player....Murić is a Nice complementary piece of Olimpija Ljubljana(mediocre european club in second tier european competition),but no way in hell a Player who belongs in the Nba...this was Just a way to replace Luka with someone he's familiar(instead of Boban)...Murić thank god realized he's not meant for the NBA and stayed in Ljubljana...the Mavs did however get Luka Marko Milič,they added him on the coaching staff(not exactly sure what his role is...but there are definetly a lot better coaches around)...
I don't know if Luka wanted that or if they Just tried to make him more comfortable,either way teams need to stop pampering their stars and get the Best staff and Players available not Just someone to cheer the stars on...Mavs have enough of cheerleaders on the team
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Re: Trade Discussion 22/23 

Post#7174 » by ozwizard8 » Mon Feb 27, 2023 6:14 am

There was a clown here saying Bullock will defend Lebron-AD. People asking Fire Rick now asking Fire Kidd. Some will blame Luka too. Reality is that Cuban is a terrible deal maker and picks worst GMs.

Mavs would win against Lakers if we simply had DFS instead of Kyrie. Against top competition, Kyrie is not that efficient. He adds firepower on offense but at expense of becoming small. And when you give all your assets and Kyrie takes supermax of your cap space then you simply lose your best defenders, in our case DFS. Mavs lost more defense as it seen in today's game. It really does not worth it. Brunson to Kyrie difference is so few for winning. I'd take Brunson.

A top-seed super-stacked Celtics team. Kyrie-Harden-Durant team at Nets.
Kyrie played for the top talented teams of the NBA for the last 5 years without not contributing to winning anything. Kyrie has failed to lift his team in regular season to a respectable win ratio. He is simply inefficient in playoffs too. Kyrie is so overrated this point. He is no KD or sth.
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Re: Trade Discussion 22/23 

Post#7175 » by ozwizard8 » Mon Feb 27, 2023 6:15 am

Mavrelous wrote:Uttering racial slur in the heat of a video game <<<< Hitting the mother of your child

Uttering racial slur in the heat of a video game <<<< what Kyrie said, tweeted, and retweeted so far...
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Re: Trade Discussion 22/23 

Post#7176 » by ozwizard8 » Mon Feb 27, 2023 6:20 am

Here are the few playoff opponents:
Denver: Mavs have no answer to Jokic. If he ever misses shots, Gordon and MPJ will take the board anyway.
GSW: They are heating up. GSW will exploit the weaknesses of Mavs even more this year. They'll dominate the paint and 3pt line again.

LAC: May not go to 7 games this time. No one to defend Kawhi-PG13. Maxi is older and he cannot take that kind of load.
LAL: As we saw it Lebron will abuse his matchup. AD if healthy will coast all game and get offensive rebounds if not dominate the low-post.
PHX: It is obvious that KD-Booker duo to kill Mavs' not existent wing defense.
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Re: Trade Discussion 22/23 

Post#7177 » by BliscoSantos » Mon Feb 27, 2023 6:32 am

ozwizard8 wrote:There was a clown here saying Bullock will defend Lebron-AD. People asking Fire Rick now asking Fire Kidd. Some will blame Luka too. Reality is that Cuban is a terrible deal maker and picks worst GMs.

Mavs would win against Lakers if we simply had DFS instead of Kyrie. Against top competition, Kyrie is not that efficient. He adds firepower on offense but at expense of becoming small. And when you give all your assets and Kyrie takes supermax of your cap space then you simply lose your best defenders, in our case DFS. Mavs lost more defense as it seen in today's game. It really does not worth it. Brunson to Kyrie difference is so few for winning. I'd take Brunson.

A top-seed super-stacked Celtics team. Kyrie-Harden-Durant team at Nets.
Kyrie played for the top talented teams of the NBA for the last 5 years without not contributing to winning anything. Kyrie has failed to lift his team in regular season to a respectable win ratio. He is simply inefficient in playoffs too. Kyrie is so overrated this point. He is no KD or sth.


I doubt Mavs win against Lakers without the trade,think they lose either way...Dodo is a Nice Player ,but he's not a lockdown defender People make him out to be(he wouldn't help against AD,maybe he could slow down LeBron but not by much)..Kyrie andLuka are not the problem...the problem are the big men and wing Players...Mavs need a Jared Vanderbilt type of Player who hustles, has length and is annoying on D...Green lacks size for big Wings, Luka has the size but rests on D(this has to stop,someone needs to call him out...he can't guard small Players cause he's too slow,but doesn't want to Bang with bigger)...don't know who they could get...but someone like Cameron Johnson, Jaden Mcdaniels, Isiah Stewart is what they need at PF...and for the love of god a solid C...don't want Powell unless it's for the minimum as a third String C
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Re: Trade Discussion 22/23 

Post#7178 » by ozwizard8 » Mon Feb 27, 2023 6:46 am

BliscoSantos wrote:
ozwizard8 wrote:There was a clown here saying Bullock will defend Lebron-AD. People asking Fire Rick now asking Fire Kidd. Some will blame Luka too. Reality is that Cuban is a terrible deal maker and picks worst GMs.

Mavs would win against Lakers if we simply had DFS instead of Kyrie. Against top competition, Kyrie is not that efficient. He adds firepower on offense but at expense of becoming small. And when you give all your assets and Kyrie takes supermax of your cap space then you simply lose your best defenders, in our case DFS. Mavs lost more defense as it seen in today's game. It really does not worth it. Brunson to Kyrie difference is so few for winning. I'd take Brunson.

A top-seed super-stacked Celtics team. Kyrie-Harden-Durant team at Nets.
Kyrie played for the top talented teams of the NBA for the last 5 years without not contributing to winning anything. Kyrie has failed to lift his team in regular season to a respectable win ratio. He is simply inefficient in playoffs too. Kyrie is so overrated this point. He is no KD or sth.


I doubt Mavs win against Lakers without the trade,think they lose either way...Dodo is a Nice Player ,but he's not a lockdown defender People make him out to be(he wouldn't help against AD,maybe he could slow down LeBron but not by much)..Kyrie andLuka are not the problem...the problem are the big men and wing Players...Mavs need a Jared Vanderbilt type of Player who hustles, has length and is annoying on D...Green lacks size for big Wings, Luka has the size but rests on D(this has to stop,someone needs to call him out...he can't guard small Players cause he's too slow,but doesn't want to Bang with bigger)...don't know who they could get...but someone like Cameron Johnson, Jaden Mcdaniels, Isiah Stewart is what they need at PF...and for the love of god a solid C...don't want Powell unless it's for the minimum as a third String C

DFS can be lockdown against Booker or some.
Of course not against Kawhi-Lebron. But still its better to have DFS than not having him against those wing players.

I am telling this for 2 years. First step is FIRE RICK, Second step is FIRE KIDD, Third step is BLAMING LUKA. Luka was supposed to take offensive load, be the only help defense to challenge the shots at the rim, and somehow also get the rebounding. Non-sense. No offensive star does that all game long. Human body needs rest. Harden was not even doing half of it with the Rockets when he was #1 option. Instead of BLAMING GM-Nico-Cuban, blaming everybody else is meaningless.
Vanderbilt, Huchimura was available for rather cheap. Good GM would've take them.

Brunson mistake was huge. Dragic was a missed one too. To cover Dragic they panicked to sign FACU very early on, then Kemba. To cover the Brunson ****, they get in this Kyrie thing.

They really dont have any people that can say NO to Cuban. All of them are sucking his ego and that's their main quality. No basketball vision.
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Re: Trade Discussion 22/23 

Post#7179 » by 41Dirk41 » Mon Feb 27, 2023 7:08 am

DFS never guarded well LBJ, Davis,PG or Kawhi type of players. He was destroyed every time.

They didn't trade for a big body wing, we miss a Shawn Marion guy. Everybody wanted Vanderbilt, we had not SRPs to trade (thanks to a lot of bad trade in the past).
Kief could fill that hole, if he can play.
Maxi is another answer.
For sure DFS isn't. To skinny. They bullied him.

Playing 4guards+Powell is just stupid.
Kidd screwed us tonight. No excuses.
Lakers played with LeBron+AD+Vanderbilt.

When 3s stopped to fall we were destroyed physically.
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Re: Trade Discussion 22/23 

Post#7180 » by ozwizard8 » Mon Feb 27, 2023 7:17 am

41Dirk41 wrote:DFS never guarded well LBJ, Davis,PG or Kawhi type of players. He was destroyed every time.

They didn't trade for a big body wing, we miss a Shawn Marion guy. Everybody wanted Vanderbilt, we had not SRPs to trade (thanks to a lot of bad trade in the past).
Kief could fill that hole, if he can play.
Maxi is another answer.
For sure DFS isn't. To skinny. They bullied him.

Playing 4guards+Powell is just stupid.
Kidd screwed us tonight. No excuses.
Lakers played with LeBron+AD+Vanderbilt.

When 3s stopped to fall we were destroyed physically.

You are claiming that Markieff defends better than DFS. Seriously stop sucking Cuban. Open your eyes.
DFS was not enough, I always said that. But that does not mean he was bad.

Both Markieff and Kleber are old and injury-prone. Mavs used to divide the load to DFS-Kleber but two good wing defenders were not enough. Now its one. He is not going to last.

If you want to props front office then you call Justin Holiday as wing man defense, and when it comes to blaming Kidd he is a guard. Seriously stop smoking Cuban ****.
Mavs team sucks, horrible roster built! Luka-Powell being the best two big players shows how terrible FO did. Not Kidd's fault.

The 2021-22-23 playoffs showed that Mavs have no rim protection, Mavs have no big man, Mavs are not enough on wing defense. None of these were addressed in three years.

Lose Brunson, and disrespect Dragic. Then panic and sign FACU-Kemba. Panic and trade for expiring Kyrie.

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