2023 Miami Heat Regular Season Thread - Westbrook and Love edition

[ShulaDon92]

Embiid for Bam seems reasonable.

Embiid and Jimmy are tight but I doubt Embiid goes anywhere, especially if Harden leaves.

[HeatFanLifer]

https://www.basketball-reference.com/coaches/NBA_stats.html

Just as the Spo hate continues:
- 21st on the all time winning list
- 0.590 winning percentage
- 5 x Conference Finals
- 2 x Championships
- HOF Coaches above him on win list with a higher winning percentage - Jerry Sloan, Pat Riley, Phil Jackson, Red Auerbach
Non-HOF Coaches above him on win list with a higher winning percentage - Gregg Popovich, Doc Rivers.

HOF Coaches below him with a close resume - Chuck Daly, Rudy Tomjanovich
Non-HOF Coaches below him with a close resume - K.C. Jones, Steve Kerr

Unless you are getting Steve Kerr, I just don't think there are better guys out there.

And if you look at those guys above - Pop had Duncan for 20 years. Phil Jackson had MJ, Pippen, Shaq, Kobe. Sloan had 20 years of Stockton and Malone, Auerbach had the dominant Celtics for forever, Riley had the Showtime Lakers for a long time, Kerr has Had Curry, Klay and Draymond throughout. Rudy had Olajuwon, Chuck had the Bad boys for a very long time.

Spo has had some good teams but has gone through a few reinventions that have brought his winning % down.

I really think Spo is the least of our problems - he may even be a victim of his success because guys that maybe have little business being rotation players elsewhere get turned into contributors for a time before getting figured out by other teams

Yea this dude's got a job for life. It's all about whether he goes up to the FO full time.

Let’s discuss Spo’s record without the big 3:

468 wins 394 losses .54 win %.

5 playoff series wins.
1 finals appearance
1 ECF appearance

Definitely respectable, but not as impressive.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/coaches/spoeler99c.html

[Timantha]

As Barry also says he’d be shocked to see Bam involved in any trade talks this summer but doesn’t say the same about Jimmy. I think we keep both and look for a 3rd star. Embiid wants out send 4 1sts Jovic and Herro, there’s your KD deal for Embiid

I'm sorry bro but having Bam and Embiid together is not a good fit. Also, Bam is gone if Miami ever wants Embiid. You are smoking some good stuff if you think Herro, Jovic and FRPs gets you a top 3 player that's 28 years old

[BBallFreak]

https://www.basketball-reference.com/coaches/NBA_stats.html

Just as the Spo hate continues:
- 21st on the all time winning list
- 0.590 winning percentage
- 5 x Conference Finals
- 2 x Championships
- HOF Coaches above him on win list with a higher winning percentage - Jerry Sloan, Pat Riley, Phil Jackson, Red Auerbach
Non-HOF Coaches above him on win list with a higher winning percentage - Gregg Popovich, Doc Rivers.

HOF Coaches below him with a close resume - Chuck Daly, Rudy Tomjanovich
Non-HOF Coaches below him with a close resume - K.C. Jones, Steve Kerr

Unless you are getting Steve Kerr, I just don't think there are better guys out there.

And if you look at those guys above - Pop had Duncan for 20 years. Phil Jackson had MJ, Pippen, Shaq, Kobe. Sloan had 20 years of Stockton and Malone, Auerbach had the dominant Celtics for forever, Riley had the Showtime Lakers for a long time, Kerr has Had Curry, Klay and Draymond throughout. Rudy had Olajuwon, Chuck had the Bad boys for a very long time.

Spo has had some good teams but has gone through a few reinventions that have brought his winning % down.

I really think Spo is the least of our problems - he may even be a victim of his success because guys that maybe have little business being rotation players elsewhere get turned into contributors for a time before getting figured out by other teams

Yea this dude's got a job for life. It's all about whether he goes up to the FO full time.

Let’s discuss Spo’s record without the big 3:

468 wins 394 losses .54 win %.

5 playoff series wins.
1 finals appearance
1 ECF appearance

Definitely respectable, but not as impressive.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/coaches/spoeler99c.html

Are we going to take away the best talent from every coach and see how they do? It seems only fair.

[Beenie]

Bam for Embiid is a no brainer if it actually got put on the table.

I would abstain from adding picks if possible.

Use picks and whatever else (Herro) to pursue elite level guard/ perimeter player.

[HeatFanLifer]

Yea this dude's got a job for life. It's all about whether he goes up to the FO full time.

Let’s discuss Spo’s record without the big 3:

468 wins 394 losses .54 win %.

5 playoff series wins.
1 finals appearance
1 ECF appearance

Definitely respectable, but not as impressive.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/coaches/spoeler99c.html

Are we going to take away the best talent from every coach and see how they do? It seems only fair.

Sure. Go do the math.

[ShulaDon92]

Yea this dude's got a job for life. It's all about whether he goes up to the FO full time.

Let’s discuss Spo’s record without the big 3:

468 wins 394 losses .54 win %.

5 playoff series wins.
1 finals appearance
1 ECF appearance

Definitely respectable, but not as impressive.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/coaches/spoeler99c.html

Are we going to take away the best talent from every coach and see how they do? It seems only fair.

Yea let's see Kerr's stats.

[Timantha]

Bam for Embiid is a no brainer if it actually got put on the table.

I would abstain from adding picks if possible.

Use picks and whatever else (Herro) to pursue elite level guard/ perimeter player.

*IF IT EVER HAPPENS THIS OFFSEASON*

I'd imagine it be similar to the Harden trade. Bam + role players to match salary + 2023 pick + a protected pick or swap

Then we would use our remaining picks to send Lowry out for shooters probably

[Shewasfly]

Yeah…I’m getting kind of tired of ppl putting Bam and Jimmy in the same sentence. I know Jimmy has started to check out in some games this year (ppl need to stop acting like it’s been an every year thing with him ). And I know Bam’s paid street team is on here and Twitter night and day gassing him up, but let’s stop kidding ourselves. If Bam gets there (hopefully we don’t have to give him another six years to show improvement) GREAT. But it’s getting disrespectful in the here and now. Because if you Give us two Jimmy types we cruise to 50 win status. We would be right there with Boston’s Tatum and Brown tandem. There is a reason we aren’t.

I mean are any of you really lying to yourselves to say Jimmy + Bam is equal to them? Stop it.

And this is the reason why regardless of how unpopular it is on here, I give Spo a lot of credit for even having us in contention these years. VERY FEW coaches could have done it. He and coaching staff held the **** the FO gave us together with sticks and glue. It worked for a few years but now it’s run it’s course. Unless Bam and Herro drastically improve its time to change strategies. I’m personally happy to blow it all up and just stack picks. I look at young teams with a lot of young talent and that seems the way to go to keep us in contention for a long time, plus give us assets in the event we want to trade and short cut to getting a superstar and becoming a championship team.

[BBallFreak]

Let’s discuss Spo’s record without the big 3:

468 wins 394 losses .54 win %.

5 playoff series wins.
1 finals appearance
1 ECF appearance

Definitely respectable, but not as impressive.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/coaches/spoeler99c.html

Are we going to take away the best talent from every coach and see how they do? It seems only fair.

Sure. Go do the math.

Kinda what I thought.

[HeatFanLifer]

Are we going to take away the best talent from every coach and see how they do? It seems only fair.

Sure. Go do the math.

Kinda what I thought.

That you’re too lazy to prove a point? Ok bro.

[BBallFreak]

Sure. Go do the math.

Kinda what I thought.

That you’re too lazy to prove a point? Ok bro.

No, that you have an agenda.

[HeatFanLifer]

Kinda what I thought.

That you’re too lazy to prove a point? Ok bro.

No, that you have an agenda.

I mean I am not hiding my stance. I just backed it up with facts. You are empty handed with no info. I have an agenda and you have nothing.

[BBallFreak]

That you’re too lazy to prove a point? Ok bro.

No, that you have an agenda.

I mean I am not hiding my stance. I just backed it up with facts. You are empty handed with no info. I have an agenda and you have nothing.

Cute.

We've seen a lot of coaches flounder without talent. Gregg Popovich is a fantastic example. Did he suddenly lose touch and get senile overnight, or did the talent retire? The fact that Spo has been that kind of good after LBJ left and Bosh went down with blood clots is pretty much amazing, but people like you want to ignore what he's actually done in this league because, for whatever reason, you don't like a coach who's considered the best in the business by NBA GM's.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10051197-erik-spoelstra-voted-best-hc-over-steve-kerr-gregg-popovich-in-nba-app-gm-survey

That's your privilege but you're not winning any arguments when you're up against NBA GMs who flat out think you're wrong. I really can't give credence to your opinion when so many better qualified (hell, qualified at all) believe the complete opposite of you.

EDIT: And I've got the opinion of a consensus of NBA GMs in my hand. Facts...

[RexBoyWonder]

id play Cain, Bouyea, jovic a lot more for rest of season.

Level of play won't get worst, and they atleast have real upside..unlike the scrubs were playing.

[gom]

Times change. Did you really think a team with a history like the Knicks would never coompete again? LOL

I think a team that was 1 shot away from a possible finals appearance should absolutely be above the Knicks, yes. Also, if It doesn't bother you that a team with a history like the Knicks has made moves to get better, and we continue to make sign bad contracts or generally make poor decisions year after year with the exception of Butler...then I can't help you.

Well I am glad I don''t need your help.

[ShulaDon92]

We're still revving up, boyz. We haven't gone full throttle yet with the new guys. It's going to take a bit. Can't jump to conclusions just yet. We need more tests.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

As Barry also says he’d be shocked to see Bam involved in any trade talks this summer but doesn’t say the same about Jimmy. I think we keep both and look for a 3rd star. Embiid wants out send 4 1sts Jovic and Herro, there’s your KD deal for Embiid

I'm sorry bro but having Bam and Embiid together is not a good fit. Also, Bam is gone if Miami ever wants Embiid. You are smoking some good stuff if you think Herro, Jovic and FRPs gets you a top 3 player that's 28 years old

Would be a horrible move, if that Philly team with Jimmy and Embiid couldn’t win it all this Heat supporting cast with them for damn sure can’t lol. They’d better have a deal for Dame lined up and Micky better get the checkbook out

[ShulaDon92]

As Barry also says he’d be shocked to see Bam involved in any trade talks this summer but doesn’t say the same about Jimmy. I think we keep both and look for a 3rd star. Embiid wants out send 4 1sts Jovic and Herro, there’s your KD deal for Embiid

I'm sorry bro but having Bam and Embiid together is not a good fit. Also, Bam is gone if Miami ever wants Embiid. You are smoking some good stuff if you think Herro, Jovic and FRPs gets you a top 3 player that's 28 years old

Would be a horrible move, if that Philly team with Jimmy and Embiid couldn’t win it all this Heat supporting cast with them for damn sure can’t lol. They’d better have a deal for Dame lined up and Micky better get the checkbook out

Geez how many missed games with that trio? ( Butler/Dame/Embiid )

Gotta give it up to Bam, he's been durable.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Yeah…I’m getting kind of tired of ppl putting Bam and Jimmy in the same sentence. I know Jimmy has started to check out in some games this year (ppl need to stop acting like it’s been an every year thing with him ). And I know Bam’s paid street team is on here and Twitter night and day gassing him up, but let’s stop kidding ourselves. If Bam gets there (hopefully we don’t have to give him another six years to show improvement) GREAT. But it’s getting disrespectful in the here and now. Because if you Give us two Jimmy types we cruise to 50 win status. We would be right there with Boston’s Tatum and Brown tandem. There is a reason we aren’t.

I mean are any of you really lying to yourselves to say Jimmy + Bam is equal to them? Stop it.

And this is the reason why regardless of how unpopular it is on here, I give Spo a lot of credit for even having us in contention these years. VERY FEW coaches could have done it. He and coaching staff held the **** the FO gave us together with sticks and glue. It worked for a few years but now it’s run it’s course. Unless Bam and Herro drastically improve its time to change strategies. I’m personally happy to blow it all up and just stack picks. I look at young teams with a lot of young talent and that seems the way to go to keep us in contention for a long time, plus give us assets in the event we want to trade and short cut to getting a superstar and becoming a championship team.

Bam has improved literally every season of his career. It’s baffling youd even say or think otherwise.

50 wins? You mean like we did last season? Bam and Jimmy don’t compare to Tatum and Brown? Last I checked were 1-1 against them in playoff series with those duos leading the way (with the Celtics having a far better supporting cast next to them).

Neither of these guys are our issue, they carry this team and the team is elite when they’re on the court. They’re surrounded by certified bums and every metric proves it.

You want to say Jimmy is better than Bam? Good, you’re right, but let’s not act like bam is a bum or like they’re not in the same sentence.

Jimmy: 22-6-5-2 62TS%

Bam: 21.5-10-3.5-1-1 59TS%

Both elite defenders (Bams better there)

If you don’t want them mentioned together then Jimmy needs to do something to separate himself. Taking constant PTO days and half assing 50% of the games he plays is the way to do that. We all know Jimmy could average 28-6-6 and be in the mvp conversation if he wanted to.

Bam has carried majority of the load this season and has improved a ton, it was rewarded with an all star selection. You hate the guy and that’s fine, but let’s not be flat out delusional because of it. He’s our franchise cornerstone we’re going to build around with his boys for years to come, I’d try to start appreciating everything he does for this team every night. No one is asked to do more, not even close