What kind of basketball is this nonsense?

[SpreeS]

Sorry the players are too talented?

Chucking 50+ 3's in a game isn't a sign of talent. That's strategic but hardly what I'd call talent.

Shooting 48% on threes, like the Warriors did, isn't talent? Just luck, I guess.

This team w/o Curry/Green/Wiggs is extremely untalented why they spammed from 3 all game.

[Gatorade Sax]

I’m waiting for the day when a team just says **** it and ONLY shoot 3 point shots, except for maybe the occasional guaranteed transition dunk/layup 2. They’d probably win the chip.

[Braggins]

The top 3 MVP candidates right now are the top 3 leaders in points scored per game on post ups.

[floppymoose]

GSW shooting vs HOU

3P 54 3PA
2P 24 2PA

What laziness offence here. Kerr looks lost this season. League is more effective from 2P than 3P this season and I don’t count FT shooting which more related with 2P.

Did you watch the game? If you had you would know why it looked this way.

[Ein Sof]

Not teams fault that the scoring system is broken, the only solution is to alter it, when a 3pt shot stops being worth 50% more points than a midrange shot and is instead worth less points, you'll see the needed change in shot distribution.

League avg

2P .546 worth 1.092 pts per shot
3p .360 worth 1.080 pts per shot

FTA is more related with 2PA by good margin. 3P shooting is about space for better 2P offence. So why need spamming 3P shooting at ridiculous rate?

why dont nba players simply dunk every single shot? are they retаrded???

[Johnny Bball]

Players being more talented has nothing to do with 3pt spamming, players are overall much better shooting them for the mere fact that they practice 3pt shooting much more out of pure necessity (league demands 3pt shooting much more than before).
10 or 20 years ago, guys like Brook Lopez wouldn't be attempting almost any 3pt shot at all, this is a fact, what changed is analytics taking over, the best shooting team of all time (Warriors) succeeding, and suddenly every team tried to replicate it, or at least a variant of it.
If you want to fix this mess, the only way is that analytics tell you that 3pt spamming is not a great strategy, so basically nerfing the 3pt shot, either moving the line back or 3pt shot being worth less than 50% more than 2pt shot.

Changing hand checking, the restricted area (and maybe illegal defense or 3 in the key rule) fixes it.

[Exp0sed]

Not teams fault that the scoring system is broken, the only solution is to alter it, when a 3pt shot stops being worth 50% more points than a midrange shot and is instead worth less points, you'll see the needed change in shot distribution.

League avg

2P .546 worth 1.092 pts per shot
3p .360 worth 1.080 pts per shot

FTA is more related with 2PA by good margin. 3P shooting is about space for better 2P offence. So why need spamming 3P shooting at ridiculous rate?

a good chunk of those 2's are taken by specific players
it's much easier to train a role player, create schemes that designs a role for a roleplayer than involves him spreading the floor (either in the half court or spotting up in transition) and train specifically to make that type of catch and shoot shot

most 2's aren't catch and shoots, they require more elaborate decision making, lead to more To's etc

it's hard for most role player to "decide" whether a 2 pointer they take is a good shot or not, whether to take it or not etc
however, a role player that can consistently hit open 3's (which is most of the players in the NBA now) knows that he's supposed to shoot it, when he's got the ball and he's open

and it'll be a good shot, for his team
not to mention, with these schemes of role players spotting up and spreading the floor - there is alot more room for the better playmaker, drivers, decision makers etc i.e - offesnive "stars" to operate it and get better looks for themselves

since you can't leave your man in the corner to go help on the perimiter or the post etc
you can't leave your man anywhere beyond the 3 pt line

if you tell 90% of the players in the league to take more 2's - they are just gonna take worse shots on average, than they do now

it's not like teams haven't tried it..it doesn't work or rather - it doesn't work just as well
especially if u have real offensive talent, a Luka or Harden or a Jokic

that is - guys that can get their own but are very tough for the league to defend against using single coverage and are good enough (and willing) passers capable of finding the open man (usually using a drive and kick) when they break the first line of defense and the help comes

consider last year's Mavs run, with guys who are all very poor offensively - except for catch and shooting
with Luka breaking down the defense to score or pass and all 4 of his teammates being capable defenders - you can get to the conf finals
if you ask guys like DFS and Bullock to shoot 2's, oh boy...nobody wants to see that type of basketball again tbh haha and the Mavs wouldn't have sniffed the Conf. finals employing any other strategy with that roster
real ugly stuff

until the rules change (one way or another) we will not see a champion that doesn't employ this strategy heavily

[ajones9219]

A couple of real solutions would be make the court wider and lengthen the corner 3, as well as greatly reduce fouls that basically make it a capital crime to be within a few feet of three point shooters.

I actually think the game was flowing great at the start to the year before the refs did their annual move where they decide to stop enforcing the yearly changes.

[Johnny Bball]

A couple of real solutions would be make the court wider and lengthen the corner 3, as well as greatly reduce fouls that basically make it a capital crime to be within a few feet of three point shooters.

I actually think the game was flowing great at the start to the year before the refs did their annual move where they decide to stop enforcing the yearly changes.

I think this makes it worse. When they brought the 3 point line in they did it to improve scoring but spacing just clogged up everything. I think moving the line out might have the opposite effect you think it will have making spacing just ridiculously good.

[Zombiesonics]

It doesn't have to go back to 80s style ball, I much prefer the nba from 2008-2016. Its clear; the homogenized style of hunting 3pt shots is sound mathematically but aesthetically its not pleasing. I've watched the nba regular season intensely for nearly 25 years and this year its an absolute chore to turn on games (unless its between two contenders).

[hippesthippo]

EDIT: In response to the OP, the easiest fix is to simply apply the proper point value to a shot behind the line: 2.5pts. Problem solved. Same court. Same rules. Same everything else. There will still be plenty of space because 2.5 > 2 and plenty of guys can make shots behind the line at 40%+ (which would be the new break even point). It just won't be worth spamming them at the current rate where you only need to shoot 33% to break even.

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I won't blame Kerr. There's no good driver on the Warriors' team tonight. They are a very turnover happy team. Uncontrolled dribbles, crazy passes. They are better of settling for long range shots especially tonight when Klay was super hot.

Curry is the only above average driver on that roster and he is out. Klay is just a jump shooter. Poole is a very messy dribbler. Wiggins always settle for a mid range. Kuminga makes lots of silly mistakes.

Poole can be a messy dribbler, but he was at his best last year when he was going to the basket with a full head of steam. He should be attacking the basket more. If Poole can't develop into more of a PG, that contract will be looking even worse next year.

At the very least, Kerr should be giving him and the other guys some help and running more PNR offense when Curry is out, but Kerr has been annoyingly stubborn in that regard.

Curry gets into the lane because of how he get's played on defense. Guys get up so close to him that he can literally just waltz right to the basket.

[AlexanderRight]

It won them the game didn’t they. It also won them 4 chips. Can you blame them? If the rest of the league wants to be poor man copycats that’s on them.

[PedroFlu]

This is basically due to huge improvement on skills by players - moving quickly and putting the ball in the basketball from the 3 point zone is no longer a challenge as it was conceived 40 yrs ago.

Further the 3 point line and see how it goes. Maybe consider erasing the line in the corners (but that would possibly change the game too much).

They absolutely need to start testing some solutions. Professional players simply got too good at it.

[clyde21]

Sorry the players are too talented?

two things can be true

1) this is the most talented the NBA's ever been

2) this is also the worst product the NBA's put out

if you're happy with the product more power to you but this is now an era with zero defensive resistance, everyone can score 30 points so scoring's become more meaningless, 50 point games are ho hum, peak load management, the regular season is now a glorified scrimmage and I know personally this is the first I've ever checked out on the RS, the dunk contest sucks, the all-star is a sham, you've got international players repeatedly talking about easy the NBA is relative to international play, etc.

again, if you're satisfied with the product good for you, but it's pretty indisputable at this point that the NBA is in a weird spot and a lot of it not the good weird.

i know for me it's become more fun to talk about the NBA than it is to watch it, which is problematic long term for the product imo.

[xdrta+]

Chucking 50+ 3's in a game isn't a sign of talent. That's strategic but hardly what I'd call talent.

Shooting 48% on threes, like the Warriors did, isn't talent? Just luck, I guess.

This team w/o Curry/Green/Wiggs is extremely untalented why they spammed from 3 all game.

They wanted to win. Which they did.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

I'm not sure when it stopped being basketball and became a 3pt shooting comp, but it's getting hard to watch.

[EmperorLocky]

Best solution to the threes is gut gud at twos.

Seriously these shooters put in the extra work to shoot so well at a high rate with little space.

Midrange can comeback. Just need someone to start it putting in that extra work on the midrange game.

Nah, that's the exact problem: Why would anyone put extra work on the midrange game? (Or into the post game?)

There is a shot that is fairly easy to take w/ the current rules and that awards you 3 points. Why would anyone concentrate on any form of a less efficient shot? It would be like a high jump athlete concentrating on the straddle instead of the Fosbury flop...

That's my point. Mid range game has been coasting for years.

The sharpshooters evolved the three game.

Now time for mid range specialists to hone their craft and make their game the most efficient.

I prefer that style of evolution rather than ideas that involve handicapping another style.

[michaelm]

The offensive player knows a defender can't get too close anymore with the landing space rule. Start calling moving screens and most importantly, call travel and carry.

Absolutely. And 3 shots from a foul on a 3 point shot attempt should be for something fairly blatant. The ultimate destination of Moreyball was getting 3 FTs from a desultory attempt at making a 3 point basket, and getting 3 FTs is very obviously the most efficient method of scoring in NBA basketball. I am a biased GSW fan obviously, but imo Curry usually has at least had the intention of actually making his attempts at 3 point shots.

[Lalouie]

how is this any different from taking a 3pt'er when a team is 10pts ahead when they should be taking the hi percentage 2.

it's ridiculous. in fact it's downright ABSURD

[Ryoga Hibiki]

This seems to be a common defense for the way basketball is played today. But I actually think it's not true. Players aren't more talented, they're more specialized.

3pt shooting & to a degree passing is high demand. Whereas post scoring, midrange and defense isn't. Overall, I don't think modern players are more talented, it's just the way the game is played that makes it seem so.

quite the opposite there was much more specialization in the past, nowadays there's very little space to hide anyone or offense or defense. The demand on guys who can shoot, pass, dribble and make decisions at any position is all time high.
And pls stop this BS that defense doesn't matter, of course it does. It's always relative, just now you can't have the same drtg you could have in 2004, but you can still be n points better than league average, and that's all it matters.