RS 22/23 - Mavs vs Lakers (Sund, 3:30PM EST)

[bnets]

Fire this guy, enough us enough

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I'm 100% with Kidd on this statement. He has no clue what to do. He doesn't coach, he is just a (clueless) observer.

[BliscoSantos]

Mavs have holes in their roster(frontcourt obviously) and they also have a coaching problem..RC wasn't poveš by the Players cause he's oldschool,Kidd came in (he's a Players coach) and motivated them and they overachieved last season...the problem is the front office thought they are closer to contending than they actually were...they get outrebounded every single game,teams fighred out they can Play on the inside cause the big Men suck and the only way they win games is if they're shooting the lights out...they're to one dimensional...offseason needs to be drastic,this team needs a rebuild...Luka, Green, Hardy and Kai(if they get capable big Man) can stay,everybody Else can go...i don't care if you're a Nice Guy,good locker room Guy, you need some basketball skills also

Completely agree!

I'd be fine with keeping Wood as well but put him back at PF where he belongs.
I personally think we already lost Kyrie so now we are without a few trade pieces and 3 draft picks.
If Brunson didn't want to play 2nd fiddle to Luka, I don't know why Cuban would think Kyrie would.

If Kyrie wants to leave(and he wants Max money) ,he's gonna have to work with the Mavs on a trade...only two teams come to mind that could contend and want KAI, the Lakers and Suns....only one I'd want from the Lakers is AD and from the Suns Ayton...anything Else being offered I'd let him walk,make Luka work hard on his physical condition,shut him down a lot and hope for a high draft pick and concentrate on the 2024 free agent class,cause this one ain't that good...they gonna have to rebuild,and they also need to stop cuddling Luka...the coach in the Slovenian National team does the same,somebody need to held jim accountable for bad plays,decisions like Pablo Laso did in Real Madrid

[Teffer10]

The Kyrie move made absolutely no sense if they weren't planning to address the other major existing problems and also the problems created by the Kyrie trade.

Agreed. Same problem as last year. Nico fixes one problem but creates another in the process.

But I do think the problem with rebounding goes beyond just replacing Powell with a good rebounding C. The problem is that our entire front court from SF to C is undersized.

THJ/Green/Bullock/Holiday are all undersized as a 3 or 4
Powell/Wood/Maxi are all undersized as a 5

That's 7 key players that a good chunk of the time they play are overmatched physically. This problem is clearly exacerbated in situations where teams have multiple bigs that switch because then Luka and Kyrie can't play them off the floor. See today's matchup with Vanderbilt/AD or last playoff series with Green/Looney as samples.

Exactly, and trading for Kyrie made an existing undersized issue even worse.
If you are going to play 6'7 wings at PF, you better have a big center or at least one that plays big who can make up for the issues.

And then make no attempts whatsoever to address that situation makes me think they don't even consider it to be a problem even though stats and the eye tests proves otherwise.

[ejs78]

I swear Mavs always find a way to break every record in the most negative way.

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According to some here, this shouldn’t be surprising….

It shouldnt that early in the game and seeing how many games this team a blown this year. I believe the Bulls blew a 24pt second half lead to the Pacers this year. With the 3pt shooting in todays NBA leads arent that safe anymore.

[Cappy_Smurf]

I'm a huge Green guy.

Noted.

Will be careful not to make you mad.

[Absinthe]

Kidd doesn’t make roster decisions. The Mavs got killed on the boards and in the paint, but that’s a foregone conclusion when your front court players are McGee and Powell. Sure, Maxi is injured, but this team has no front court depth whatsoever.

There were front court players out there that could have been traded for and Dallas did nothing before the trade deadline. That’s not on Kidd. He has to coach with what he has. He’s forced to play small line ups because his only options are Wood, Powell, and McGee. The same goes for Carlisle when he was the coach here.

[ejs78]

I'm a huge Green guy.

Noted.

Will be careful not to make you mad.

Well done.

Sincerely
Dr. Bruce Banner

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[Absinthe]

This fan base is delusional. Carlisle was constantly thrown under the bus and now the fan base has turned on Kidd. The top rebounder in this game for the Mavs was Kyrie Irving. Not Powell. Not Luka. Not Wood. Irving. A point guard. Justin Holiday played 28 minutes and had ZERO rebounds. Pat Riley or Phil Jackson couldn’t make this team rebound. It’s strictly a personnel issue. Blame the front office.

[leolozon]

You all mean the center problem that the team had last year and that was the #1 priority of the front office in the off season?

It’s like they took a step backward by trying to take a step forward.

Still, there was no reason to lose that game up 27points. The team was weak mentally and Luka looked like a poor leader. He certainly has more maturing to do.

But that should have drastically changed with trading for Kyrie.
This isn't a young team full of recent draft picks and rookies, it is loaded with veterans.
Green has been demoted to the bench and limited role/minutes, and Hardy isn't even considered now.

You're right, there is no excuse for this team to lose being up by that many points.

It should have, but I think that, with Kidd, the team has the equivalent of the inmates running the asylum.

It doesn’t help that the team always seem to be looking for what they just traded.

We have Curry, we lack defense, let’s trade for Richardson. We now lack 3pt shooting… We’ll have to find more 3pt shooting.

We have KP, we lack ballhandlers, let’s trade for Dinwiddie. We now lack a center, let’s get Wood and McGee…. Not a solution.

We have a PG, we lost him for nothing, let’s trade for Kyrie. We now lack defense even more…

The team is never just adding something without creating deficiencies.

[leolozon]

This fan base is delusional. Carlisle was constantly thrown under the bus and now the fan base has turned on Kidd. The top rebounder in this game for the Mavs was Kyrie Irving. Not Powell. Not Luka. Not Wood. Irving. A point guard. Justin Holiday played 28 minutes and had ZERO rebounds. Pat Riley or Phil Jackson couldn’t make this team rebound. It’s strictly a personnel issue. Blame the front office.

What if we hated Kidd from day 1? Are we delusional?

The front office and the coach can be bad at the same time. Which wouldn’t be surprising considering the decisions probably all come from the same guy.

[Absinthe]

You all mean the center problem that the team had last year and that was the #1 priority of the front office in the off season?

It’s like they took a step backward by trying to take a step forward.

Still, there was no reason to lose that game up 27points. The team was weak mentally and Luka looked like a poor leader. He certainly has more maturing to do.

But that should have drastically changed with trading for Kyrie.
This isn't a young team full of recent draft picks and rookies, it is loaded with veterans.
Green has been demoted to the bench and limited role/minutes, and Hardy isn't even considered now.

You're right, there is no excuse for this team to lose being up by that many points.

It should have, but I think that, with Kidd, the team has the equivalent of the inmates running the asylum.

It doesn’t help that the team always seem to be looking for what they just traded.

We have Curry, we lack defense, let’s trade for Richardson. We now lack 3pt shooting… We’ll have to find more 3pt shooting.

We have KP, we lack ballhandlers, let’s trade for Dinwiddie. We now lack a center, let’s get Wood and McGee…. Not a solution.

We have a PG, we lost him for nothing, let’s trade for Kyrie. We now lack defense even more…

The team is never just adding something without creating deficiencies.

If they were going to trade for Kyrie then they should have had another trade lined up for a legitimate post player. Not Morris either. It’s like other people were saying on here, if you’re going to swing for the fences and take a gamble on Kyrie then you might as well go all in and make another trade to go all in. Powell, Wood, and McGee aren’t going to do it. Anyone could have seen this including the coach. This is on the front office.

[ejs78]

But that should have drastically changed with trading for Kyrie.
This isn't a young team full of recent draft picks and rookies, it is loaded with veterans.
Green has been demoted to the bench and limited role/minutes, and Hardy isn't even considered now.

You're right, there is no excuse for this team to lose being up by that many points.

It should have, but I think that, with Kidd, the team has the equivalent of the inmates running the asylum.

It doesn’t help that the team always seem to be looking for what they just traded.

We have Curry, we lack defense, let’s trade for Richardson. We now lack 3pt shooting… We’ll have to find more 3pt shooting.

We have KP, we lack ballhandlers, let’s trade for Dinwiddie. We now lack a center, let’s get Wood and McGee…. Not a solution.

We have a PG, we lost him for nothing, let’s trade for Kyrie. We now lack defense even more…

The team is never just adding something without creating deficiencies.

If they were going to trade for Kyrie then they should have had another trade lined up for a legitimate post player. Not Morris either. It’s like other people were saying on here, if you’re going to swing for the fences and take a gamble on Kyrie then you might as well go all in and make another trade to go all in. Powell, Wood, and McGee aren’t going to do it. Anyone could have seen this including the coach. This is on the front office.

Another team has to want what the Mavs have and clearly no one wanted Timmy or Wood. I would have liked another trade too but they didn't have the assets after the Kyrie trade and seeing the price for OG/Bridges was like 4 FRPs the Mavs were kinda priced out. Trading a FRP for Bogdanovic wasn't the answer either.

If they didn't make this swing for Irving they may have ended up making a move in the summer that costs them more picks that also doesn't improve the team overall. Gonna have to ride this year out and hope this offseason Irving stays and he, Nico, and Kidd all do what they say they can which is attract players.

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[41Dirk41]

That game was a shame for Cuban, i derserve it for sure.
From +27 to L against the Lakers hurts him a lot.
Well done.

Call me delusional but i only want to see our best players on the court, not some bizarre rotations by a mediocre coach with a huge ego.

Not starting Green was bulls*it.
Wood isn't the perfect C for us but he is better than Powell in every part of the game. No excuse.

Nobody here think that we are a contender, our FO made too mistakes in the past and screwed us a lot of time, but we want to see the best possible version of the Dallas Mavericks.

[Teffer10]

It should have, but I think that, with Kidd, the team has the equivalent of the inmates running the asylum.

It doesn’t help that the team always seem to be looking for what they just traded.

We have Curry, we lack defense, let’s trade for Richardson. We now lack 3pt shooting… We’ll have to find more 3pt shooting.

We have KP, we lack ballhandlers, let’s trade for Dinwiddie. We now lack a center, let’s get Wood and McGee…. Not a solution.

We have a PG, we lost him for nothing, let’s trade for Kyrie. We now lack defense even more…

The team is never just adding something without creating deficiencies.

If they were going to trade for Kyrie then they should have had another trade lined up for a legitimate post player. Not Morris either. It’s like other people were saying on here, if you’re going to swing for the fences and take a gamble on Kyrie then you might as well go all in and make another trade to go all in. Powell, Wood, and McGee aren’t going to do it. Anyone could have seen this including the coach. This is on the front office.

Another team has to want what the Mavs have and clearly no one wanted Timmy or Wood. I would have liked another trade too but they didn't have the assets after the Kyrie trade and seeing the price for OG/Bridges was like 4 FRPs the Mavs were kinda priced out. Trading a FRP for Bogdanovic wasn't the answer either.

If they didn't make this swing for Irving they may have ended up making a move in the summer that costs them more picks that also doesn't improve the team overall. Gonna have to ride this year out and hope this offseason Irving stays and he, Nico, and Kidd all do what they say they can which is attract players.

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We heard Timmy and Wood's names a lot around TDL but we didn't hear much about Powell being shopped. Surely Powell's expiring would have attracted some team to give up a center that would fit our needs.

Cuban half-assed this thing to a point that will probably lead to Kyrie moving on this off-season, and then Luka probably soon to follow.
If you are going to make a bold move to get Kyrie, you have to go all in and find the right pieces to fit with him and Luka to make it work this year. I wasn't on board with the Kyrie move, but if they make that move they have to be willing to give up more assets like picks and/or Hardy. Can't have it both ways and that is where we are right now. This is becoming a mess in front of our eyes and I'm not sure what they can do at this point.

[HMFFL]

Disappointing GAME

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[Darren]

Kidd doesn’t make roster decisions.

Not true. Kidd urges the Mavs to sign McGee. And Kidd turns to Powell who always say yes to coach. Also, Kidd doesn't promise Dragic minutes. You really can't say Kidd is not involved. Kidd intentionally turns Luka's buddies and ex-coach into Kidd's camp. There're a lot of politics behind the scene quite noticeable by random fan.

Kidd doesn't play Wood because of this issue. Kidd doesn't play McGee because of IQ issue. Kidd just can't accommodate talented players. Meanwhile, Kidd fails to maintain Luka's diet and alter those ill-advised shot selections.

While something is really uncontrollable, Kidd should bare responsibilities on some issues obviously.

[Darren]

Prioritizing on wing instead of a frontcourt piece in buyout market is unbelievable. Obviously, the same Powell won't get the team better results in playoff series.

[Darren]

Believe it or not, if the on court decisions are made by the team leaders, the Mavs will get better records.

[41Dirk41]

Kidd doesn’t make roster decisions.

Not true. Kidd urges the Mavs to sign McGee. And Kidd turns to Powell who always say yes to coach. Also, Kidd doesn't promise Dragic minutes. You really can't say Kidd is not involved. Kidd intentionally turns Luka's buddies and ex-coach into Kidd's camp. There're a lot of politics behind the scene quite noticeable by random fan.

Kidd doesn't play Wood because of this issue. Kidd doesn't play McGee because of IQ issue. Kidd just can't accommodate talented players. Meanwhile, Kidd fails to maintain Luka's diet and alter those ill-advised shot selections.

While something is really uncontrollable, Kidd should bare responsibilities on some issues obviously.

Kidd second year was always be a disaster.
And he confermed it with the Mavs.

I don't think he will be here next year so let's embarassing himself with those moron rotations.
We aren't contender anyway.

[ozwizard8]

Kidd doesn’t make roster decisions.

Not true. Kidd urges the Mavs to sign McGee. And Kidd turns to Powell who always say yes to coach. Also, Kidd doesn't promise Dragic minutes. You really can't say Kidd is not involved. Kidd intentionally turns Luka's buddies and ex-coach into Kidd's camp. There're a lot of politics behind the scene quite noticeable by random fan.

Kidd doesn't play Wood because of this issue. Kidd doesn't play McGee because of IQ issue. Kidd just can't accommodate talented players. Meanwhile, Kidd fails to maintain Luka's diet and alter those ill-advised shot selections.

While something is really uncontrollable, Kidd should bare responsibilities on some issues obviously.

For all GM ****, the responsibility is on the GM.

Kidd would want a defensive center, a Tyson Chandler clone. If you offer him Mcgee as best Mavs can get he'll say fine whatever.
Obviously clueless Nico went for Wood.

Wood sucks. Cant play defense. Politics would be more related to our FO not extending him and probably not wanting Wood to gain too much value. Nico put Mavs into a LOSE-LOSE position. Overpay or lose him. Any case not helping Win games.

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Messed up with Dragic --> Panic signing of FACU, Kemba.
Big mistake with Brunson --> Forgetting Frank and going all in with Kyrie.

This also shows how shortsighted Nico is.