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Re: Grant Williams thread 

Post#601 » by _Und3r][D4wg_ » Sun Feb 26, 2023 2:25 am

BK_2020 wrote:
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BK_2020 wrote:He's a chunky guy who shoots threes and plays mediocre defense. That's a valuable role but far from incredibly valuable. If he was incredibly valuable, he would've been locked up with a 5 year max.

He's played the 4th most minutes on the team (5th most per game), he shoots the same % from 3 as Hauser and he can guard in the paint and on the perimeter mediocrely. He also showed up big time in the post-season last year (although admittedly not in the Finals, but that was the case for a lot of guys). That's incredibly useful.

He's not a star, nor does he have that kind of potential, but he's not a bum either. It's a spectrum. A team's sixth man can be incredibly valuable, you don't have to be a starter or a star.

When he gets overpaid his relative overall value will decrease, but his on court value will still be there. And that's my point. Yes, overpaying him will be painful for ownership, but his on court value will still be there and because we have everyone locked up for the most part him getting overpaid won't preclude us from running it back unless Wyc & co refuse to foot the bill.

I guess it's a matter of style. I tend to think words like "incredibly" or "elite" should mean what they actually say, instead of being placeholders for "good," "decent," "useful."

Not necessarily referring to these exchanges, but I gotta say, superlatives are starting to lose their luster due to overuse and over-reliance on hyperbole/exaggeration just to give people's takes & narratives more pop. It's the same at the lower end of the spectrum, where most are called garbage, trash, horrible, useless, unplayable, etc.
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Re: Grant Williams thread 

Post#602 » by ballup » Sun Feb 26, 2023 7:55 pm

Grant tries to be Draymond by working the refs, but he has become Sheed. Crying wolf situation.

I get that in he was getting screwed on calls in his couple of seasons. Rook calls are terrible. Refs aren't going to give him the benefit of the doubt with his rep.

IIRC, the refs allow one player on each team to be the main talker to the ref and it's Smart who is that role

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Post#603 » by 31to6 » Sun Feb 26, 2023 8:45 pm

Grant’s going to look great on that shiny new $7M/per contract. Good on you, mate!
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Post#604 » by Floody100 » Tue Feb 28, 2023 3:10 am

If Grant can’t settle for what he’s worth at 10-12 million a season, I’ll personally drive him to his next team.
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Post#605 » by playa-hater » Tue Feb 28, 2023 2:49 pm

The peaks and valleys this season with Grant Williams is pretty wide.. I am wondering if hes just in a Prolonged slump or is his inconsistencies just not worth keeping.

Any true Boston fan has to at least ponder the question can we do better next year with someone else?
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Post#606 » by Celts17Pride » Tue Feb 28, 2023 2:52 pm

Don't think anyone has to worry about that $20 million per year contract.
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Post#607 » by Celts17Pride » Tue Feb 28, 2023 2:53 pm

Floody100 wrote:If Grant can’t settle for what he’s worth at 10-12 million a season, I’ll personally drive him to his next team.

Some team will give Grant Williams a $13-15 million per year contract and it will be up to the Celtics if they want to match or not.
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Post#608 » by 165bows » Tue Feb 28, 2023 4:44 pm

31to6 wrote:Grant’s going to look great on that shiny new $7M/per contract. Good on you, mate!

Def underrated post.
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Post#609 » by flintsky21 » Tue Feb 28, 2023 11:19 pm

Nevermind his struggles, a player of his prototype is gonna be highly sought out regardless (a 40% 3&D stretch four). He's gonna get an $18m/per offer from a team like OKC, Indiana, or Detroit and Brad's gonna match it.
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Post#610 » by Parasite » Tue Feb 28, 2023 11:32 pm

flintsky21 wrote:Nevermind his struggles, a player of his prototype is gonna be highly sought out regardless (a 40% 3&D stretch four). He's gonna get an $18m/per offer from a team like OKC, Indiana, or Detroit and Brad's gonna match it.


If Brad does match that ridiculous number it better be for trade purposes. Grant is a ham and egger. Been saying it for months now. Sure he will have a great game every now and then but he’s WAY too inconsistent to pay that kind of coin unless there is an ulterior motive.
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Post#611 » by BK_2020 » Wed Mar 1, 2023 12:31 am

flintsky21 wrote:Nevermind his struggles, a player of his prototype is gonna be highly sought out regardless (a 40% 3&D stretch four). He's gonna get an $18m/per offer from a team like OKC, Indiana, or Detroit and Brad's gonna match it.

3&D is just not that valuable anymore. This isn't 2018. Good offenses don't revolve around a helio guy and a bunch of shooters around him. You want an offense where multiple players are moving, putting the ball on the floor, passing and scoring.
A 40% 3&D stretch four is literally George Niang and he's a minimum salary guy.
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Post#612 » by cl2117 » Wed Mar 1, 2023 7:37 am

playa-hater wrote:The peaks and valleys this season with Grant Williams is pretty wide.. I am wondering if hes just in a Prolonged slump or is his inconsistencies just not worth keeping.

Any true Boston fan has to at least ponder the question can we do better next year with someone else?

What mechanism are we using to bring in someone else? That's the big sticking point for me.

Trading for someone will cost assets and salary to match. We'll only have the taxpayer MLE (I think) to pursue a guy in free agency. You're not gonna be able to draft anyone who could slot in. And we don't have a ready-made replacement on the roster already (Gallo is a huge question mark and Muscala is a C who can occasionally play the 4).

I just don't see an avenue to bring in a guy who will be as good as Grant, despite all his inconsistencies.

His slump coming off the back of the rumors of him wanting $20m might be a blessing in disguise. Best case scenario is we get him back on something in the mid-teens (12-15). Then he's functional, but also tradeable.
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Post#613 » by robbie84 » Wed Mar 1, 2023 10:06 am

I think Grant's D is severely under rated on this board. He's an excellent, versatile defender. He can take the ball off the dribble, shoot the 3, and guard multiple positions. He guards Embid well even for his lack of height.
I think re-signing him at $12-15 million is a no brainer.
Yeah his yapping gets old, but his energy, effort and IQ combined with the above make him a long term keeper IMO.
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Post#614 » by 165bows » Wed Mar 1, 2023 1:17 pm

Parasite wrote:
flintsky21 wrote:Nevermind his struggles, a player of his prototype is gonna be highly sought out regardless (a 40% 3&D stretch four). He's gonna get an $18m/per offer from a team like OKC, Indiana, or Detroit and Brad's gonna match it.


If Brad does match that ridiculous number it better be for trade purposes. Grant is a ham and egger. Been saying it for months now. Sure he will have a great game every now and then but he’s WAY too inconsistent to pay that kind of coin unless there is an ulterior motive.

I think they'll match almost anything that comes his way, or at least set up a sign and trade on the spot. Hurts their flexibility to not do anything.
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Post#615 » by playa-hater » Wed Mar 1, 2023 3:27 pm

robbie84 wrote:I think Grant's D is severely under rated on this board. He's an excellent, versatile defender. He can take the ball off the dribble, shoot the 3, and guard multiple positions. He guards Embid well even for his lack of height.
I think re-signing him at $12-15 million is a no brainer.
Yeah his yapping gets old, but his energy, effort and IQ combined with the above make him a long term keeper IMO.


Can't disagree with anything you said, But judging only from my eye test is it possible his D is slipping a little bit?
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Post#616 » by VeryMuchWoke » Wed Mar 1, 2023 5:53 pm

I get that Grant's frustrating at times, but he's pretty damn versatile on both ends of the floor and this team is built on versatility.

I'm pretty comfortable with up to 15M per year. Above that matching becomes a bit painful. It should be noted that the cap is expected to make a big jump 2 years from the end of this season, so 1/2 of his new contract would be under an increased cap.
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Re: Grant Williams thread 

Post#617 » by Parasite » Thu Mar 2, 2023 3:24 am

165bows wrote:
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flintsky21 wrote:Nevermind his struggles, a player of his prototype is gonna be highly sought out regardless (a 40% 3&D stretch four). He's gonna get an $18m/per offer from a team like OKC, Indiana, or Detroit and Brad's gonna match it.


If Brad does match that ridiculous number it better be for trade purposes. Grant is a ham and egger. Been saying it for months now. Sure he will have a great game every now and then but he’s WAY too inconsistent to pay that kind of coin unless there is an ulterior motive.

I think they'll match almost anything that comes his way, or at least set up a sign and trade on the spot. Hurts their flexibility to not do anything.


You may certainly be right but that’s a damn shame tbh. That dude doesn’t deserve anywhere near some of the numbers being bandied about.
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Post#618 » by RickyDizzle » Thu Mar 2, 2023 3:37 am

Parasite wrote:
165bows wrote:
Parasite wrote:
If Brad does match that ridiculous number it better be for trade purposes. Grant is a ham and egger. Been saying it for months now. Sure he will have a great game every now and then but he’s WAY too inconsistent to pay that kind of coin unless there is an ulterior motive.

I think they'll match almost anything that comes his way, or at least set up a sign and trade on the spot. Hurts their flexibility to not do anything.


You may certainly be right but that’s a damn shame tbh. That dude doesn’t deserve anywhere near some of the numbers being bandied about.


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Re: Grant Williams thread 

Post#619 » by Parasite » Thu Mar 2, 2023 3:46 am

robbie84 wrote:I think Grant's D is severely under rated on this board. He's an excellent, versatile defender. He can take the ball off the dribble, shoot the 3, and guard multiple positions. He guards Embid well even for his lack of height.
I think re-signing him at $12-15 million is a no brainer.
Yeah his yapping gets old, but his energy, effort and IQ combined with the above make him a long term keeper IMO.


I don’t see it man. I just don’t. Maybe the analytics or whatever else are great for him but I’ve been watching basketball a long long time and nope, don’t see it. But I guess nowadays you have to sign him for flexibility or whatever. Bah I say. Bah.
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Re: Grant Williams thread 

Post#620 » by BostonCouchGM » Thu Mar 2, 2023 4:41 am

Parasite wrote:
flintsky21 wrote:Nevermind his struggles, a player of his prototype is gonna be highly sought out regardless (a 40% 3&D stretch four). He's gonna get an $18m/per offer from a team like OKC, Indiana, or Detroit and Brad's gonna match it.


If Brad does match that ridiculous number it better be for trade purposes. Grant is a ham and egger. Been saying it for months now. Sure he will have a great game every now and then but he’s WAY too inconsistent to pay that kind of coin unless there is an ulterior motive.


yep. People used to talk about Grant like they're currently talking about White. This fanbase grossly overrates all of our players. Tatum is the ONLY one worth the praise and yet, many of the same people overrating Grant and White hate on Tatum. It's so laughable. Not the smartest fanbase, that's for sure.

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