Trade Discussion 22/23

[arkuo]

Whats up with trying to be most toxic and **** team? **** Udoka. Celtics roster has been doing good for almost a decade now. Other than Kyrie-disaster years and some injuries they did fine with or without udoka.

Tatum-Brown would work as they're two way players with height.
Kyrie is too small, and only plays on offensive side with questionable efficiency. Luka is offensive star as well. Two guards with offense and subpar defense. Not a good pairing at all.
Luka-Kyrie may work if he had DFS+elite wing defender+defensive center.

They need to wait another summer or two before they get another starting quality 3&D player. At this rate, they need two. One being a center.

Getting Kyrie was the 2nd piece of the puzzle next to Luka. No way to get all moves done in one summer. Just simply impossible. Luka and Kyrie are in good company. Kawhi and PG13 and that very expensive team has not won anything either. So the expectations are just par foe the course.

Mavs has almost no assets left. No one is giving you even a DFS level wing player. No one going to offer a Tyson Chandler either.

Luka-Brunson and Mavs f'in never needed offensive help. They always needed wing defense and center.

* Kyrie was not a part of puzzle for stacked Celtics.
* Kyrie did not even work with Durant and Harden.
5.5 years of not fitting. When did Kyrie helped a team to win? We just lost defense and not going to make WCF this time.

Kawhi certainly will his way to win tons of games, tons of playoff games by himself. Even PG lifted that team for some stretches. And PG was doing great at OKC. Kawhi did f'in win a title by himself in Raptors.
So Kawhi-PG did some **** in last 5.5 years. Kyrie did not.

You need to go out and sign those guys. No one is giving those guys to you. My point is, the change you are clamoring for will only come after THJ and Bertans' useless contracts get off the books. The only time it happens is 2024 or 2025. Who knows maybe Kidd is fired by then.

[Absinthe]

At this point, I would have traded a first round pick just get rid of Bertans. That KP trade looks absolutely awful in retrospect.

[ozwizard8]

You need to go out and sign those guys. No one is giving those guys to you. My point is, the change you are clamoring for will only come after THJ and Bertans' useless contracts get off the books. The only time it happens is 2024 or 2025. Who knows maybe Kidd is fired by then.

I can care less about Kidd. Fire him or not.

By 2024-2025, we might have sign Kyrie for max and he goes crazy.
Kyrie at age over 30 will significantly decline too. He is already sidelined for good amount of time. Any injury might make him experience the Kemba drop-off. Small guards usually decline.

Mavs have good chance to have dead contracts by 2024 or 2025.

Seriously hope Luka asks for a trade publicly.

[BliscoSantos]

Whats up with trying to be most toxic and **** team? **** Udoka. Celtics roster has been doing good for almost a decade now. Other than Kyrie-disaster years and some injuries they did fine with or without udoka.

Tatum-Brown would work as they're two way players with height.
Kyrie is too small, and only plays on offensive side with questionable efficiency. Luka is offensive star as well. Two guards with offense and subpar defense. Not a good pairing at all.
Luka-Kyrie may work if he had DFS+elite wing defender+defensive center.

You are obsessed with DFS, he is an average role player. Basically a Bullock with more size.
He play like trash in Brooklyn, he can help us for sure but we can find someone better for sure.

This team isn't a final product, we have 2 big holes.
Judge the Kyrie-Luka combo this year is useless.

Stop crying. This season was over before the start when we lost Brunson for nothing and we signed McGee.

Sorry that you have no idea on basketball.
For 13 year old nephews like you Wood is a great player. Lets put his picture in profile.

In reality Wood is worthless loser. Did you watch Pacers game? Did you see how easily Wood lose the ball in 3rd quarter? Did you see how many free baskets he gave?

DFS is playoff proven. Certainly better than Bullock defensively. Rebounds as well. And having a bigger size is a f'in plus too. Why do you even try to downplay this?

GM-Cuban **** this team in the ass. Not Kidd, not Luka.

Facu - Kemba - Kyrie were all panic signings, trades after letting Brunson go for free.

I'd be great if we could keep Dodo(he'd be great as a SF,but too small for PF) but the trade was good...Kyrie -Luka Will figure it out(even LeBron and Wade needed time and they had Bosh plus a lot better roster around them)
The roster is simply too flawed...Wood is not a center,he's a PF...you would need to pair him with a good defensive C
Maxi is good on D but again,he's more of a PF then C
Powell is simply terrible...the only thing he's good at is catching an occasional lob(otherwise poor hands,terrible rebounder)...the only thing he's consistant is getting hit in the face...he's trying,he's Just not that good of a bb Player
McGee looks lost(didn't think je was a good pickup from the start considering the years he got)
Roster is simply too flawed...they messed up when they wanted to build a contender right away...it doesn't work that way...and now you're stuck with too many one dimensional Players and a bad coach(looks like he's Just motivating them,not actually coaching them)...that's why this team is a mesa

Luka,Kai,Green or Bullock,Wood,McGee(quickly replaced by Kleber) should be starting lineup...try it in practice...make them Play together...coach them...small ball lineup ain't working,you're getting destroyed on the inside

[Maverick41]

Seriously hope Luka asks for a trade publicly.

Are you a Mavs fan or just a Luka fan? Don't know why a Mavs fan would hope for something that would cripple the team for several years to come. Disturbing and leaves a bad taste.

[41Dirk41]

You are obsessed with DFS, he is an average role player. Basically a Bullock with more size.
He play like trash in Brooklyn, he can help us for sure but we can find someone better for sure.

This team isn't a final product, we have 2 big holes.
Judge the Kyrie-Luka combo this year is useless.

Stop crying. This season was over before the start when we lost Brunson for nothing and we signed McGee.

Sorry that you have no idea on basketball.
For 13 year old nephews like you Wood is a great player. Lets put his picture in profile.

In reality Wood is worthless loser. Did you watch Pacers game? Did you see how easily Wood lose the ball in 3rd quarter? Did you see how many free baskets he gave?

DFS is playoff proven. Certainly better than Bullock defensively. Rebounds as well. And having a bigger size is a f'in plus too. Why do you even try to downplay this?

GM-Cuban **** this team in the ass. Not Kidd, not Luka.

Facu - Kemba - Kyrie were all panic signings, trades after letting Brunson go for free.

I'd be great if we could keep Dodo(he'd be great as a SF,but too small for PF) but the trade was good...Kyrie -Luka Will figure it out(even LeBron and Wade needed time and they had Bosh plus a lot better roster around them)
The roster is simply too flawed...Wood is not a center,he's a PF...you would need to pair him with a good defensive C
Maxi is good on D but again,he's more of a PF then C
Powell is simply terrible...the only thing he's good at is catching an occasional lob(otherwise poor hands,terrible rebounder)...the only thing he's consistant is getting hit in the face...he's trying,he's Just not that good of a bb Player
McGee looks lost(didn't think je was a good pickup from the start considering the years he got)
Roster is simply too flawed...they messed up when they wanted to build a contender right away...it doesn't work that way...and now you're stuck with too many one dimensional Players and a bad coach(looks like he's Just motivating them,not actually coaching them)...that's why this team is a mesa

Luka,Kai,Green or Bullock,Wood,McGee(quickly replaced by Kleber) should be starting lineup...try it in practice...make them Play together...coach them...small ball lineup ain't working,you're getting destroyed on the inside

Agree.

[ozwizard8]

You are obsessed with DFS, he is an average role player. Basically a Bullock with more size.
He play like trash in Brooklyn, he can help us for sure but we can find someone better for sure.

This team isn't a final product, we have 2 big holes.
Judge the Kyrie-Luka combo this year is useless.

Stop crying. This season was over before the start when we lost Brunson for nothing and we signed McGee.

Sorry that you have no idea on basketball.
For 13 year old nephews like you Wood is a great player. Lets put his picture in profile.

In reality Wood is worthless loser. Did you watch Pacers game? Did you see how easily Wood lose the ball in 3rd quarter? Did you see how many free baskets he gave?

DFS is playoff proven. Certainly better than Bullock defensively. Rebounds as well. And having a bigger size is a f'in plus too. Why do you even try to downplay this?

GM-Cuban **** this team in the ass. Not Kidd, not Luka.

Facu - Kemba - Kyrie were all panic signings, trades after letting Brunson go for free.

I'd be great if we could keep Dodo(he'd be great as a SF,but too small for PF) but the trade was good...Kyrie -Luka Will figure it out(even LeBron and Wade needed time and they had Bosh plus a lot better roster around them)
The roster is simply too flawed...Wood is not a center,he's a PF...you would need to pair him with a good defensive C
Maxi is good on D but again,he's more of a PF then C
Powell is simply terrible...the only thing he's good at is catching an occasional lob(otherwise poor hands,terrible rebounder)...the only thing he's consistant is getting hit in the face...he's trying,he's Just not that good of a bb Player
McGee looks lost(didn't think je was a good pickup from the start considering the years he got)
Roster is simply too flawed...they messed up when they wanted to build a contender right away...it doesn't work that way...and now you're stuck with too many one dimensional Players and a bad coach(looks like he's Just motivating them,not actually coaching them)...that's why this team is a mesa

Luka,Kai,Green or Bullock,Wood,McGee(quickly replaced by Kleber) should be starting lineup...try it in practice...make them Play together...coach them...small ball lineup ain't working,you're getting destroyed on the inside

Poor analysis, very apogoletic to front office. I mean you blame roster is bad because they wanted to build contender too quick. But you do not even mention losing Mavs #2 asset in Brunson. If you blame Kidd being just a motivator, I'd like to have a word about pushing Carlisle to leave. New GM-Cuban sucked in like %85 of their decisions...

Powell was like this all these years. He is not a playoff center you like to have. Then again this does not mean he's worse than Wood. Luka's need is really not an offensive center. Similar to Harden-Rockets, Luka needs Capela-Tucker. I mean those two kinda similar to having Chandler-Marion.

Roster is too flawed because of the GM. Its really not up to Kyrie-Luka to figure it out. They cannot compensate the holes in defense. Mavs couldn't fill the hole in Center and second wing men defender for last 3 years. There is no reason that Mavs to find good pieces in a summer or two. We also dont know if Kyrie stays.

Wade-Lebron had a great team around them. Having two was a luxury and there were Bosh, and solid starter players, ring chasers of A quality. Not like Justin Holiday pickup...

[ozwizard8]

Seriously hope Luka asks for a trade publicly.

Are you a Mavs fan or just a Luka fan? Don't know why a Mavs fan would hope for something that would cripple the team for several years to come. Disturbing and leaves a bad taste.

Win-Win outcome.

Option A:
2 years of misery for Luka and Mavs depleting more assets picks. When Luka asks for a trade, less valuable contract, frustrated Luka. It would be Rockets-Nets trade for Harden. Mavs would get less, Luka would lose 2 years.

Option B:
Luka trade happens. Mavs probably get like all of OKC picks or sth. Right now market is crazy. Lots of teams probably going to regret giving up 4 first round picks and 4 swaps and all young assets for Gobert and maybe even for KD.
Mavs would get the maximum return to rebuild, find young assets.

Overall, I am not a Cuban or Nico Harrison fan. They **** up each and every year. Luka-Brunson-DFS made WCF. That core did not deserve to be sent out. Can't be a delusional Mavs fan that is loyal to Cuban with all his ****. Luka is generational talent, a great European one. I watched him with Real Madrid. He deserves a winning team, a winner owner.

[arkuo]

Seriously hope Luka asks for a trade publicly.

Are you a Mavs fan or just a Luka fan? Don't know why a Mavs fan would hope for something that would cripple the team for several years to come. Disturbing and leaves a bad taste.

Win-Win outcome.

Option A:
2 years of misery for Luka and Mavs depleting more assets picks. When Luka asks for a trade, less valuable contract, frustrated Luka. It would be Rockets-Nets trade for Harden. Mavs would get less, Luka would lose 2 years.

Option B:
Luka trade happens. Mavs probably get like all of OKC picks or sth. Right now market is crazy. Lots of teams probably going to regret giving up 4 first round picks and 4 swaps and all young assets for Gobert and maybe even for KD.
Mavs would get the maximum return to rebuild, find young assets.

Overall, I am not a Cuban or Nico Harrison fan. They **** up each and every year. Luka-Brunson-DFS made WCF. That core did not deserve to be sent out. Can't be a delusional Mavs fan that is loyal to Cuban with all his ****. Luka is generational talent, a great European one. I watched him with Real Madrid. He deserves a winning team, a winner owner.

When you say deserves a winning team, you mean he needs to recruit his players right? Because that's how you build superteams in the NBA. Luka IMO is a B star. A robin. Which means he needs to join someone like Jokic who can grab him by the collar if he does something silly. Still too young to lead a championship team. You cant trade Luka to OKC. Do you want him to pout everyday? What will he do with his ferraris there? You need to send him to an established superteam IMO to maximize his talents and hide his flaws. Denver is an ideal place for him. So is Phoenix. Some place with a more senior superstar.

[styLesdavis]

Are you a Mavs fan or just a Luka fan? Don't know why a Mavs fan would hope for something that would cripple the team for several years to come. Disturbing and leaves a bad taste.

Win-Win outcome.

Option A:
2 years of misery for Luka and Mavs depleting more assets picks. When Luka asks for a trade, less valuable contract, frustrated Luka. It would be Rockets-Nets trade for Harden. Mavs would get less, Luka would lose 2 years.

Option B:
Luka trade happens. Mavs probably get like all of OKC picks or sth. Right now market is crazy. Lots of teams probably going to regret giving up 4 first round picks and 4 swaps and all young assets for Gobert and maybe even for KD.
Mavs would get the maximum return to rebuild, find young assets.

Overall, I am not a Cuban or Nico Harrison fan. They **** up each and every year. Luka-Brunson-DFS made WCF. That core did not deserve to be sent out. Can't be a delusional Mavs fan that is loyal to Cuban with all his ****. Luka is generational talent, a great European one. I watched him with Real Madrid. He deserves a winning team, a winner owner.

When you say deserves a winning team, you mean he needs to recruit his players right? Because that's how you build superteams in the NBA. Luka IMO is a B star. A robin. Which means he needs to join someone like Jokic who can grab him by the collar if he does something silly. Still too young to lead a championship team. You cant trade Luka to OKC. Do you want him to pout everyday? What will he do with his ferraris there? You need to send him to an established superteam IMO to maximize his talents and hide his flaws. Denver is an ideal place for him. So is Phoenix. Some place with a more senior superstar.

[Maverick41]

Luka IMO is a B star. A robin. Which means he needs to join someone like Jokic who can grab him by the collar if he does something silly.

Luka is most definitely not a Robin. He is arguably too alpha on the court actually.

But I agree that he needs someone that can call him out on his antics which ultimately would make him a better player long term. A real vet to guide him and not be afraid that they'll lose their job or get traded. Not recommending him specifically for DAL to target but someone like Draymond for example.

[BliscoSantos]

Sorry that you have no idea on basketball.
For 13 year old nephews like you Wood is a great player. Lets put his picture in profile.

In reality Wood is worthless loser. Did you watch Pacers game? Did you see how easily Wood lose the ball in 3rd quarter? Did you see how many free baskets he gave?

DFS is playoff proven. Certainly better than Bullock defensively. Rebounds as well. And having a bigger size is a f'in plus too. Why do you even try to downplay this?

GM-Cuban **** this team in the ass. Not Kidd, not Luka.

Facu - Kemba - Kyrie were all panic signings, trades after letting Brunson go for free.

I'd be great if we could keep Dodo(he'd be great as a SF,but too small for PF) but the trade was good...Kyrie -Luka Will figure it out(even LeBron and Wade needed time and they had Bosh plus a lot better roster around them)
The roster is simply too flawed...Wood is not a center,he's a PF...you would need to pair him with a good defensive C
Maxi is good on D but again,he's more of a PF then C
Powell is simply terrible...the only thing he's good at is catching an occasional lob(otherwise poor hands,terrible rebounder)...the only thing he's consistant is getting hit in the face...he's trying,he's Just not that good of a bb Player
McGee looks lost(didn't think je was a good pickup from the start considering the years he got)
Roster is simply too flawed...they messed up when they wanted to build a contender right away...it doesn't work that way...and now you're stuck with too many one dimensional Players and a bad coach(looks like he's Just motivating them,not actually coaching them)...that's why this team is a mesa

Luka,Kai,Green or Bullock,Wood,McGee(quickly replaced by Kleber) should be starting lineup...try it in practice...make them Play together...coach them...small ball lineup ain't working,you're getting destroyed on the inside

Poor analysis, very apogoletic to front office. I mean you blame roster is bad because they wanted to build contender too quick. But you do not even mention losing Mavs #2 asset in Brunson. If you blame Kidd being just a motivator, I'd like to have a word about pushing Carlisle to leave. New GM-Cuban sucked in like %85 of their decisions...

Powell was like this all these years. He is not a playoff center you like to have. Then again this does not mean he's worse than Wood. Luka's need is really not an offensive center. Similar to Harden-Rockets, Luka needs Capela-Tucker. I mean those two kinda similar to having Chandler-Marion.

Roster is too flawed because of the GM. Its really not up to Kyrie-Luka to figure it out. They cannot compensate the holes in defense. Mavs couldn't fill the hole in Center and second wing men defender for last 3 years. There is no reason that Mavs to find good pieces in a summer or two. We also dont know if Kyrie stays.

Wade-Lebron had a great team around them. Having two was a luxury and there were Bosh, and solid starter players, ring chasers of A quality. Not like Justin Holiday pickup...

Carlile's time has ran out...but Kidd wasn't the right choice...he only Got the Job cause he's a legend with the Mavericks..how is a Hall of fame PG soo bad at drawing up plays, X and O's

Front office made horrible decisions since Luka's first season...Brunson leaving was the fault of Cuban ,Donnie and the family ties with Knicks...i think they should have traded him once they knew he was gone(i think they knew he wasn't staying)

This season is what it is...the offseason Will show if they have any idea what they're doing

[ozwizard8]

Are you a Mavs fan or just a Luka fan? Don't know why a Mavs fan would hope for something that would cripple the team for several years to come. Disturbing and leaves a bad taste.

Win-Win outcome.

Option A:
2 years of misery for Luka and Mavs depleting more assets picks. When Luka asks for a trade, less valuable contract, frustrated Luka. It would be Rockets-Nets trade for Harden. Mavs would get less, Luka would lose 2 years.

Option B:
Luka trade happens. Mavs probably get like all of OKC picks or sth. Right now market is crazy. Lots of teams probably going to regret giving up 4 first round picks and 4 swaps and all young assets for Gobert and maybe even for KD.
Mavs would get the maximum return to rebuild, find young assets.

Overall, I am not a Cuban or Nico Harrison fan. They **** up each and every year. Luka-Brunson-DFS made WCF. That core did not deserve to be sent out. Can't be a delusional Mavs fan that is loyal to Cuban with all his ****. Luka is generational talent, a great European one. I watched him with Real Madrid. He deserves a winning team, a winner owner.

When you say deserves a winning team, you mean he needs to recruit his players right? Because that's how you build superteams in the NBA. Luka IMO is a B star. A robin. Which means he needs to join someone like Jokic who can grab him by the collar if he does something silly. Still too young to lead a championship team. You cant trade Luka to OKC. Do you want him to pout everyday? What will he do with his ferraris there? You need to send him to an established superteam IMO to maximize his talents and hide his flaws. Denver is an ideal place for him. So is Phoenix. Some place with a more senior superstar.

I am genuinely convinced that some Mavs fans are actually Cuban fans. The Cuban cult is above everything else.

Luka is the definition of an A-list player.
* Luka went against Kawhi-PG13 for two straight years. He did certainly more than those two but poor roster failed Mavs.
* Luka just put a MJ-Kobe esque playoff run last year. WCF with no center, small wing players.
* Luka is making the all-NBA first team every year except his rookie-sophomore years.
* MVP voting wise he's at the top too.

I mean A-list cannot be just 2-3 players. If you are going to put 10 players to that list, Luka is in since he is 21.

Recruit bid is a very poor take. Kevin Durant never recruited for OKC. Dirk did not do much for Dallas. I mean its not possible to recruit for some cities. Lebron-Wade-Bosh getting together was after their extensions run out. Some other star or masterful GM such as Pat Riley can organize a deal.

I don't know if you live in Dallas but OKC is like 3 hours away. Neither Dallas nor OKC is a good city for European taste. If he needs to look for bigger cities he can wait like Lebron-Durant did. Then go to GSW-LAL/LAC-Knicks in 2027?

[Teffer10]

I imagine this whole Kyrie experiment will blow up everything and mavs will make some type of S&T for someone like Davis. He doesnt seem to be happy in LA and I cant imagine Kyrie would want to stay and play 2nd fiddle to Luka.

Said the same thing about Brunson last season. Hopefully we can get something back this time.

[Apz]

Imagine if we could trade ozwizard to his favourite team

[BliscoSantos]

The Knicks scored 142 Points (47 in 1st Q) against the Nets...the Nets starterted Dinwiddie,Bridges,Dodo,Cameron Johnson and Claxton...apart from Dinwiddie everybody Else is considered a good defender...their defence is a mess right now
Still would love Claxton or Bridges,bit the asking priče is gonna be steep...maybe they can get Dodo back in the offseason on a cheap,right now he's playing poor

[41Dirk41]

The Knicks scored 142 Points (47 in 1st Q) against the Nets...the Nets starterted Dinwiddie,Bridges,Dodo,Cameron Johnson and Claxton...apart from Dinwiddie everybody Else is considered a good defender...their defence is a mess right now
Still would love Claxton or Bridges,bit the asking priče is gonna be steep...maybe they can get Dodo back in the offseason on a cheap,right now he's playing poor

We give up role players for a superstar, only haters can disagree with the trade... Even if Kyrie will leave for nothing next season.

[arkuo]

If Nico Harrison knew the team would be this bad prior to the deadline, I'm pretty sure he would have given up a 1st rounder for Mathisse Thybulle just to play defense for 40 mins a game. Like dont even attempt to score, just freakin play defense.

[41Dirk41]

If Nico Harrison knew the team would be this bad prior to the deadline, I'm pretty sure he would have given up a 1st rounder for Mathisse Thybulle just to play defense for 40 mins a game. Like dont even attempt to score, just freakin play defense.

I think 1 player can't change the team defense (unless he is a freak like Kawhi or Giannis), we need all guys focused and motivated.

I see what happens in Brooklyn and i start to think that the 3&D guys are overrated.

[Mavrelous]

Yeah, Brooklyn is allowing a lot of point while having rim protector (Claxton) + 3 of the best 3&D wings (Bridges, DFS and O'neale) in their top 6 players.