2023 Miami Heat Regular Season Thread - Westbrook and Love edition

[MorbidHEAT]

I remember many years ago hearing Pat doing an interview about the late 90's Heat losing to the Knicks (I don't remember what the interview was on or what it was for).

He was talking specifically about after the 4th year of losing to the Knicks, he said something to the effect of "I knew that the clock had run out on that team and it was time for a change". Then he went out and traded Timmy not long after that, effectively blowing up the team.

It seems like we are there right now. We have been a good team, but not good enough to win a championship. We may be a piece away from being good enough to compete at the top again instead of in the middle, but who is that piece and how can we get him without blowing up the team?

It seems like the clock has run out on this team.

[_GH0ST_]

We can't do a real upgrade to the team. We don't have enough assets for a whale. To be a real contender we need to buy whales without trading Butler and Bam, but that's not possible. Besides, we have two terrible contracts. We can't even get good role players. We're literally cornered. We should blow up partially or completely this summer.

[Pokuokic]

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Jovic…….

Is it me or do Euro bigs usually get these type of injuiries entering the league. It seems too common, like its a lack of core stregnth and build to handle the onslaught of physical play during live ball under the basket.

It might be guys like Jovic/Gallo (always had back issues) who are decent athletes for 6'11 guys but are at the same time kind rigid in their movements (everything is kind of a bit stiff/forced when they move but they move well enough). Did Dirk have many back issues? He was that type of body type/had similar movements in his younger days. I don't think it's a euro thing I don't remember Peja/Jokic or in fact any Balkans guys missing extended periods with back injuries, I mean I don't think Poku who is insanely fragile/poorly built having back issues

[al bondiga]

I don't think they're having back issues ... The Miami Heat have a long history of being very UN-trustworthy when reporting player injuries... Heat teams are not known for flopping in "The court" much, known for flopping outside... Or having personal issues or coach-FO issues

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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It must be deflating for Jimmy and Bam to draw 2+ defenders and kick it to an open “shooter” like Gabe and watch them build brick houses consistently

[IceColdCubano]

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It must be deflating for Jimmy and Bam to draw 2+ defenders and kick it to an open “shooter” like Gabe and watch them build brick houses consistently

Were passed the stage of building houses, were at coluseums, libraries, and cement factories.

[3ballbomber]

I remember many years ago hearing Pat doing an interview about the late 90's Heat losing to the Knicks (I don't remember what the interview was on or what it was for).

He was talking specifically about after the 4th year of losing to the Knicks, he said something to the effect of "I knew that the clock had run out on that team and it was time for a change". Then he went out and traded Timmy not long after that, effectively blowing up the team.

It seems like we are there right now. We have been a good team, but not good enough to win a championship. We may be a piece away from being good enough to compete at the top again instead of in the middle, but who is that piece and how can we get him without blowing up the team?

It seems like the clock has run out on this team.

i dunno it's just a diff time & era. One cat cut from the same cloth as past greats is Jimmy. I'd love for Bam to come out & say the stuff Butler says & then deliver on it. Could you imagine Bam telling the media he's sick of losing or that we're going to win a championship. That's the sort of toughness he needs to show. That toughness will spread to the entire team. Instead we get "We're human". F*ck outta here man. No wonder we're shooting like a bunch of soft pansies. We gotta hold each other accountable. I come from the 90s era man. I don't play this bullsh*t.

[MettaWorldPanda]

One player to keep an eye out in the offseason is going to be Jeff Schwartz client Kristaps Porzingis. Especially if the FO is finally ready to kick this small ball to the curb. Porzingis allows Bam to play the 4 and adds a legit stretch option to the front court. Wiz are about to commit big money to Kuzma so they could be looking to cash in on Porzingis before he hits free agency. Kristaps should cost relatively cheap. Probably looking at something like Lowry and a protected pick or this years pick during the draft if it’s in the 20’s. I don’t see a bidding war for Kristaps so this looks like a very realistic option using Lowry’s contract. Prozingis and the Heat have also shared mutual interest in the past.

[HEATVols865]

I remember many years ago hearing Pat doing an interview about the late 90's Heat losing to the Knicks (I don't remember what the interview was on or what it was for).

He was talking specifically about after the 4th year of losing to the Knicks, he said something to the effect of "I knew that the clock had run out on that team and it was time for a change". Then he went out and traded Timmy not long after that, effectively blowing up the team.

It seems like we are there right now. We have been a good team, but not good enough to win a championship. We may be a piece away from being good enough to compete at the top again instead of in the middle, but who is that piece and how can we get him without blowing up the team?

It seems like the clock has run out on this team.

i dunno it's just a diff time & era. One cat cut from the same cloth as past greats is Jimmy. I'd love for Bam to come out & say the stuff Butler says & then deliver on it. Could you imagine Bam telling the media he's sick of losing or that we're going to win a championship. That's the sort of toughness he needs to show. That toughness will spread to the entire team. Instead we get "We're human". F*ck outta here man. No wonder we're shooting like a bunch of soft pansies. We gotta hold each other accountable. I come from the 90s era man. I don't play this bullsh*t.

Agreed. “We’re human, it’s tough” is very tone deaf when during contract negotiations come up they wanna be treated like they’re supernatural. Can’t have it both ways.

Herro using the media to say he would be better and it would be better for the team if he started. That joker has only been in 9 games we’ve won where he scored more than 22 points. We will get rid of Lowry this off-season but will be stuck with Uncan for 3 more years and Herro for 5!


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[RexBoyWonder]

Very hard to win big when you don't draft in the lottery AND there are no great free agent hitting the market because all the stars are getting extensions with their current teams.

Our all team building philosophy needs to change it seems.

With that said, if Herro wouldv'e made the leap this year, and If Lowry played like he did 3 years ago - this team would be fighting for a top seed in the east.

I'm just not sure how can we correct course, but I fully expect a total blow up of the current roster.

No one but Bam is safe IMO.

[RexBoyWonder]

One player to keep an eye out in the offseason is going to be Jeff Schwartz client Kristaps Porzingis. Especially if the FO is finally ready to kick this small ball to the curb. Porzingis allows Bam to play the 4 and adds a legit stretch option to the front court. Wiz are about to commit big money to Kuzma so they could be looking to cash in on Porzingis before he hits free agency. Kristaps should cost relatively cheap. Probably looking at something like Lowry and a protected pick or this years pick during the draft if it’s in the 20’s. I don’t see a bidding war for Kristaps so this looks like a very realistic option using Lowry’s contract. Prozingis and the Heat have also shared mutual interest in the past.

Awful deal for Wizards, no way they do this.

[MettaWorldPanda]

One player to keep an eye out in the offseason is going to be Jeff Schwartz client Kristaps Porzingis. Especially if the FO is finally ready to kick this small ball to the curb. Porzingis allows Bam to play the 4 and adds a legit stretch option to the front court. Wiz are about to commit big money to Kuzma so they could be looking to cash in on Porzingis before he hits free agency. Kristaps should cost relatively cheap. Probably looking at something like Lowry and a protected pick or this years pick during the draft if it’s in the 20’s. I don’t see a bidding war for Kristaps so this looks like a very realistic option using Lowry’s contract. Prozingis and the Heat have also shared mutual interest in the past.

Awful deal for Wizards, no way they do this.

It’s not awful if you look at there cap dynamics. They would be looking at getting an asset before he walks the following year. They are going to be having some cap issues once they extend Kuzma. I don’t see a bidding war here. They get a pick before he walks and Lowry is one of the few expiring contracts next year that allow them to get this done. Seems like an ideal draft day deal that gives them a young player and a vet placeholder at PG in Lowry. They have Gafford at Center. Will have to include Martin as a salary filler most likely looking at the trade checker.

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It must be deflating for Jimmy and Bam to draw 2+ defenders and kick it to an open “shooter” like Gabe and watch them build brick houses consistently

Were passed the stage of building houses, were at coluseums, libraries, and cement factories.

Since Jan 1st Herro's been fine on catch and shoot 3s but he's been horrible on pull up 3s.
Strus has just been bad on catch and shoot 3s.

Maybe... Miami should utilize the shooters as shooters instead of triple threats, that goes for Herro, Strus, Robinson, Vincent and even Highsmith when he plays.

Miami Catch and Shoot 3s since Jan 1st

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Miami Pull Up 3s since Jan 1st

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[MettaWorldPanda]

I don’t see any viable trade around the league for Butler so consider him a lifer. Only two teams that make sense that won’t have Butler crying and screaming are the Bucks for Middleton and Sixers for Harris. Problem is that neither of those teams have tradeable first for a while. I also don’t want to hear you traded me for Tobias Harris either.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Almost fully expecting Lowry and our draft pick to be dealt on draft day for something useful. I just saw the Lakers GM turn hotdog water into wine with his big expiring contract and pick.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Jimmys not going anywhere. We’re going all in this summer with Lowrys expiring, Herro, Jovic, and all of our picks to finally build the best roster next to Jimmy and Bam.

In Pat we trust!

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Almost fully expecting Lowry and our draft pick to be dealt on draft day for something useful. I just saw the Lakers GM turn hotdog water into wine with his big expiring contract and pick.

I like that KP idea. He’s always injured but maybe that’s behind him now, he’s a perfect fit next to Bam.

I also wouldn’t mind a sign and trade for Jerami grant if he wants to leave Portland. Another perfect fit. Hopefully part of a bigger Lillard trade

[MettaWorldPanda]

Jimmys not going anywhere. We’re going all in this summer with Lowrys expiring, Herro, Jovic, and all of our picks to finally build the best roster next to Jimmy and Bam.

In Pat we trust!

Yup I just looked over every depth chart and salary situation in the league and Jimmy ain’t going anywhere. He’s going to try and build for one final run around the players you mentioned above with the 2023,2028, and 2030 in play. They’ll keep the protections on OKC for 2025. Probably for there own good as rebuilding might happen in the 25/26 year.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Jimmys not going anywhere. We’re going all in this summer with Lowrys expiring, Herro, Jovic, and all of our picks to finally build the best roster next to Jimmy and Bam.

In Pat we trust!

Yup I just looked over every depth chart and salary situation in the league and Jimmy ain’t going anywhere. He’s going to try and build for one final run around the players you mentioned above with the 2023,2028, and 2030 in play. They’ll keep the protections on OKC for 2025. Probably for there own good as rebuilding might happen in the 25/26 year.

If you mean rebuild in 2025-26 as in Mitchell and Tatum are coming to join their boy and remake the big 3 they grew up watching then I agree

[3ammy3uck3ts]

We will also be in high pursuit of Jimmys mentee Jaylen Brown not this summer but the next.