Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II

[Rapsfan07]

It's one game the guys below 10 ppg and shooting average percentages while being an older freshman. He's going to be undrafted.

Lmao what the heck are you taking about bro?

Saw stats for the wrong player. Jones is a third year player and isn't putting up amazing numbers, I'm not impressed and would rather gamble on potential. We have enough average players.

Yeah I don't think you take him in the lotto or mid first round but in the later first round? Like after 20? Absolutely. Who would you gamble on?

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why are you guys obsessed w Gradey Dick?

He's gonna be average in he league at best. So many players in college way better than him

If its a white thing, wait for Cooper Flagg. That guy is actually the best american white guy since Bird

Spencer Ahrens is better than Flagg

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Hes 15 is most of these clips

Flagg has more guard skills. Ahrens looks slow and dominates because he's playing against kids that are 6-9 inches shorter. Maybe he grows to 7'0 and may be more like a Kyle Filipowski than a Chet Holmgren.

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Boum finished with 33

Boum screams undrafted FA to me. Some team will take a swing on him at the very least in Summer League.

Yes, like Fred VanVleet! With 2 forfeited 2nd rounders, him and Isaiah Wong might slip past the 2nd round and should be targetted by Toronto.

[WuTang_CMB]

Cidy's passing will separate him into an even more complete player. good read

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Remember what I mentioned earlier, though, about being astonished? Sidy Cissoko has a good all-around skill set, but his passing is what elevates his game to another level. His versatile game gives him a pretty solid floor, but his incredible passing is what makes him special. Cissoko is one of the best live-dribble passers in this class, and at 6’8” he can hit basically every passing window that you could imagine. He can improvise on the fly, often literally improvising in the air on his plentiful jump passes, with the best of them.

The numbers certainly support Cissoko’s passing brilliance—he sports an assist/turnover ratio of nearly 2:1 and an Assist Percentage of 14.9%, despite not being the primary playmaker for the G League Ignite. He averages 1.145 points per possession plus assists, per Synergy, further highlighting his effectiveness at running an offense.

The supporting evidence is nice, of course, but in Cissoko’s case, it’s almost missing the point. All you need to do to understand his passing gifts is watch him sling the ball all over the court.

The numbers are certainly impressive, and Cissoko clears the statistical hurdle as a passer. He’s done more than enough to prove himself just based on the raw production.

When it comes to the eye test, though, Sidy Cissoko passes with flying colors.

https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/sleeper-deep-dives-sidy-cissoko

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Cidy's passing will separate him into an even more complete player. good read

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Remember what I mentioned earlier, though, about being astonished? Sidy Cissoko has a good all-around skill set, but his passing is what elevates his game to another level. His versatile game gives him a pretty solid floor, but his incredible passing is what makes him special. Cissoko is one of the best live-dribble passers in this class, and at 6’8” he can hit basically every passing window that you could imagine. He can improvise on the fly, often literally improvising in the air on his plentiful jump passes, with the best of them.

The numbers certainly support Cissoko’s passing brilliance—he sports an assist/turnover ratio of nearly 2:1 and an Assist Percentage of 14.9%, despite not being the primary playmaker for the G League Ignite. He averages 1.145 points per possession plus assists, per Synergy, further highlighting his effectiveness at running an offense.

The supporting evidence is nice, of course, but in Cissoko’s case, it’s almost missing the point. All you need to do to understand his passing gifts is watch him sling the ball all over the court.

The numbers are certainly impressive, and Cissoko clears the statistical hurdle as a passer. He’s done more than enough to prove himself just based on the raw production.

When it comes to the eye test, though, Sidy Cissoko passes with flying colors.

https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/sleeper-deep-dives-sidy-cissoko

Ya, he looks like a smoother passer than Scottie. No need for no-look passes either. I feel like Scottie is trying to be like Magic Johnson, while Cissoko just makes Lebron like passes.

Did Masai go to France last year to check out Wemby and Cissoko?

https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/

Wow, in the 20's I'd really like Cason, Hendricks or Cissoko!

[Dalek]

This guy feels like Desmond Bane all over again. Maybe not a flashy athlete but he sure does a lot of things well with his shooting this year being a standout.

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[DrCoach]

Spencer Ahrens is better than Flagg

Watch on YouTube

Hes 15 is most of these clips

Flagg has more guard skills. Ahrens looks slow and dominates because he's playing against kids that are 6-9 inches shorter. Maybe he grows to 7'0 and may be more like a Kyle Filipowski than a Chet Holmgren.

No Flagg doesnt, and Flagg cant shoot.

Spencer is playing 18 yr olds in the top league in Canada

[Rapsfan07]

This guy feels like Desmond Bane all over again. Maybe not a flashy athlete but he sure does a lot of things well with his shooting this year being a standout.

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Yep. Again, been my guy from the jump. Just think he's been criminally underrated and I really believe if he pans out, he could end up in the Top 10 in a future redraft.

If I was Masai, I would look hard at moving OG at the draft.

Indiana has a few first rounders, Jazz has 3 first rounders and could use OG but no valuable contracts to send.

I want to leave this draft with Hendricks, Jones and Lewis

[God Squad]

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Hes 15 is most of these clips

Flagg has more guard skills. Ahrens looks slow and dominates because he's playing against kids that are 6-9 inches shorter. Maybe he grows to 7'0 and may be more like a Kyle Filipowski than a Chet Holmgren.

No Flagg doesnt, and Flagg cant shoot.

Spencer is playing 18 yr olds in the top league in Canada

Cameron Boozer looks better than both tbh.

[WuTang_CMB]

Cidy's passing will separate him into an even more complete player. good read

'

Remember what I mentioned earlier, though, about being astonished? Sidy Cissoko has a good all-around skill set, but his passing is what elevates his game to another level. His versatile game gives him a pretty solid floor, but his incredible passing is what makes him special. Cissoko is one of the best live-dribble passers in this class, and at 6’8” he can hit basically every passing window that you could imagine. He can improvise on the fly, often literally improvising in the air on his plentiful jump passes, with the best of them.

The numbers certainly support Cissoko’s passing brilliance—he sports an assist/turnover ratio of nearly 2:1 and an Assist Percentage of 14.9%, despite not being the primary playmaker for the G League Ignite. He averages 1.145 points per possession plus assists, per Synergy, further highlighting his effectiveness at running an offense.

The supporting evidence is nice, of course, but in Cissoko’s case, it’s almost missing the point. All you need to do to understand his passing gifts is watch him sling the ball all over the court.

The numbers are certainly impressive, and Cissoko clears the statistical hurdle as a passer. He’s done more than enough to prove himself just based on the raw production.

When it comes to the eye test, though, Sidy Cissoko passes with flying colors.

https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/sleeper-deep-dives-sidy-cissoko

Ya, he looks like a smoother passer than Scottie. No need for no-look passes either. I feel like Scottie is trying to be like Magic Johnson, while Cissoko just makes Lebron like passes.

Did Masai go to France last year to check out Wemby and Cissoko?

https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/

Wow, in the 20's I'd really like Cason, Hendricks or Cissoko!

Cissoko is in the G-League. But he is from France.

[Dalek]

I checked NBA draft consensus rankings and Jett Howard is around 13 range, so definitely in Toronto's draft possibilities. I like a lot of things about Jett Howard and I feel like he is almost overlooked:

Son of Juwan Howard - you see how well kids of former NBA players do. Kind of reminds me of Trent Jr., where you had a role player dad and the kid has a very different game and is much more of a dynamic scorer. Howard is also coach of Michigan so you are talking about a coach's son which imparts high levels of bball IQ.

Legit 6'8 sized guard - great handle for any size with the ability to change direction, hesi skills, crossover, has a full bag; with three level scoring (61% at the rim; 43% from two; 37% from three - although he only has 4 dunks).

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He is also contesting more shots - up to a 2.3 Blk%:

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Maybe the best wing passer in the draft 13 AST%

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He has had some nagging ankle issues that have impacted him, but he is a gamer like his dad. To me he should be near the top of our draft board. If we look Trent Jr. to free agency, this guy would be a good bet to replace him.

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Cidy's passing will separate him into an even more complete player. good read

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https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/sleeper-deep-dives-sidy-cissoko

Ya, he looks like a smoother passer than Scottie. No need for no-look passes either. I feel like Scottie is trying to be like Magic Johnson, while Cissoko just makes Lebron like passes.

Did Masai go to France last year to check out Wemby and Cissoko?

https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/

Wow, in the 20's I'd really like Cason, Hendricks or Cissoko!

Cissoko is in the G-League. But he is from France.

https://www.proballers.com/basketball/player/239862/sidy-cissoko

He's on fire with 4 straight 22+pt games.

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I checked NBA draft consensus rankings and Jett Howard is around 13 range, so definitely in Toronto's draft possibilities. I like a lot of things about Jett Howard and I feel like he is almost overlooked:

Son of Juwan Howard - you see how well kids of former NBA players do. Kind of reminds me of Trent Jr., where you had a role player dad and the kid has a very different game and is much more of a dynamic scorer. Howard is also coach of Michigan so you are talking about a coach's son which imparts high levels of bball IQ.

Legit 6'8 sized guard - great handle for any size with the ability to change direction, hesi skills, crossover, has a full bag; with three level scoring (61% at the rim; 43% from two; 37% from three - although he only has 4 dunks).

He has had some nagging ankle issues that have impacted him, but he is a gamer like his dad. To me he should be near the top of our draft board. If we look Trent Jr. to free agency, this guy would be a good bet to replace him.

I'd take Cissoko over Jett for better dunking and passing. Might have slightly less handles but more than OG by far.

[ItsDanger]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10067182-2023-nba-mock-draft-full-2-round-predictions-entering-march

Some interesting players rising and falling.

[DG88]

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[WuTang_CMB]

Ya, he looks like a smoother passer than Scottie. No need for no-look passes either. I feel like Scottie is trying to be like Magic Johnson, while Cissoko just makes Lebron like passes.

Did Masai go to France last year to check out Wemby and Cissoko?

https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/

Wow, in the 20's I'd really like Cason, Hendricks or Cissoko!

Cissoko is in the G-League. But he is from France.

https://www.proballers.com/basketball/player/239862/sidy-cissoko

He's on fire with 4 straight 22+pt games.

Watch on YouTube

The passing and defense more impressive to me then anything.

[dozo]

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Hot take Miles Jr and Sasser become starting PGs in the NBA. Both are better athletes and defenders than FVV and Brunson.

Besides shooting this team needs guard depth. Mgmts failure to add talent to the back court deserves our criticism. If Sasser or Miles Jr are available in the 2nd rnd mgmt better contact the Pacers (who have three 1st rnd picks) to buy their 2nd rnd pick.

It was interesting to hear about college players earning 6 digits via NIL agreement(long overdue). They mentioned some upperclassman could make more money staying in college than signing a g league 2 way deal.

[Dalek]

I checked NBA draft consensus rankings and Jett Howard is around 13 range, so definitely in Toronto's draft possibilities. I like a lot of things about Jett Howard and I feel like he is almost overlooked:

Son of Juwan Howard - you see how well kids of former NBA players do. Kind of reminds me of Trent Jr., where you had a role player dad and the kid has a very different game and is much more of a dynamic scorer. Howard is also coach of Michigan so you are talking about a coach's son which imparts high levels of bball IQ.

Legit 6'8 sized guard - great handle for any size with the ability to change direction, hesi skills, crossover, has a full bag; with three level scoring (61% at the rim; 43% from two; 37% from three - although he only has 4 dunks).

He has had some nagging ankle issues that have impacted him, but he is a gamer like his dad. To me he should be near the top of our draft board. If we look Trent Jr. to free agency, this guy would be a good bet to replace him.

I'd take Cissoko over Jett for better dunking and passing. Might have slightly less handles but more than OG by far.

I like Cissoko's big frame and defensive potential, and his offense is emerging but his shot is pretty slow release and he has a pretty basic handle. That is why he is likely on the fringe of the first round for most draft projections.

I am hunting for a 20 PPG starter type. I am kind of done with the typical team-first guys we tend to draft that are great glue guy connector types but average/poor individual offensive players. Jett is going to offer both on ball creation, off ball shooting, and likely will succeed in the NBA given his background.

Just look at three point shooting by comparison:
Sidy in 19 games has made 28/76 36.8%
Jett in 26 games has made 69-187 36.9%

We need guys who have size that can shoot, will adapt to the NBA quickly and contribute. Howard really can shoot under duress, off movement, and if the shot is taken away he can move the ball. He just is a fast processor from what I have seen. If not for the injuries, I think he would be over 40% from three.

[ImaBeatDatAzz]

Give me a Cam Whitemore Damn

[UnbelievablyRAW]

Give me a Cam Whitemore Damn

Comes from the school of no passing like Gary. Dude is a massive ball stopper