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Post#1581 » by payitforward » Thu Mar 2, 2023 3:54 pm

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I will be furious, FURIOUS I say, if Jay Huff doesn't get 10 minutes a game at least.

I liked him at Virginia his senior year, smooth and athletic for his size, showed a bit of an outside shot. Looks like they're bringing him in in that role, as an understudy for Porzingis I expect.

Well, so much for my carefully thought out rhetoric, huh? :)

Wish the kid a lot of luck going forward!
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Post#1582 » by payitforward » Thu Mar 2, 2023 4:21 pm

nate33 wrote:Carey has been in the NBA for 3 years and 2 teams, and nobody has enough respect for his game to even let him on the floor. He has no trade value. The idea that he could be showcased and traded for value is ludicrous. Wes Jr is not an idiot. He sees Carey in practice.

And stretching a guy doesn’t make the salary go away. It just spreads it out over more years. I’m more concerned about the future than now. I don’t want a dead weight contract on the books 2 years from now just because we are trying to clear space for a 15th man out of the G-League.

Look, I absolutely freaking guarantee that Carey Jr. will not be a productive player in this league. You don’t go 3 years without even being given a chance to play unless you absolutely suck. At best, he’ll manage to find another team who will sign him for a 1-year vet minimum deal to be a 13th man. But chances are, he is now in 10-day contract territory, unless he goes overseas.

And Taj Gibson has been solid for us. It’s hard to find a guy who is content to sit on the bench for 4 straight games, and then come in to play important minutes for a couple of games, and then going back to sitting. Gibson has done that well, and posted a +5.6 point differential in the process.

This is all completely correct. & there's no point in arguing otherwise.

I would always keep a young player over an end-of-career vet, especially on a team like this perpetually inept one, but that's not what is at stake here.

This wasn't a decision between Taj & Carey. They simply made a judgment on Carey -- as should be obvious from the fact that they immediately replaced him w/ another young prospect at the same position.

Plus, of course, b/c Huff is 2way the move opened up a roster spot.

What I don't understand, however, is how they are going to fill that roster spot without going into lux tax territory -- given that we are only $460K under the tax line.

Note that Huff was under contract w/ the Lakers. I'd love to know the story behind the extraordinary pipeline linking these two organizations!
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Post#1583 » by payitforward » Thu Mar 2, 2023 4:27 pm

payitforward wrote:...This wasn't a decision between Taj & Carey. They simply made a judgment on Carey -- as should be obvious from the fact that they immediately replaced him w/ another young prospect at the same position....

In fact, come to think of it, the decision was probably motivated by a phone call from the Lakers indicating that they were about to let Huff go (presumably there's someone they want to sign to a 2-way & needed to waive Huff in order to do so).

It'll be interesting to see who LA adds.
It would be really funny if they sign Carey to a 2-way !!
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Post#1584 » by dckingsfan » Thu Mar 2, 2023 5:32 pm

Carey down. Todd & Davis next year - maybe they can be used as filler in some trade.
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Post#1585 » by nate33 » Thu Mar 2, 2023 5:44 pm

payitforward wrote:What I don't understand, however, is how they are going to fill that roster spot without going into lux tax territory -- given that we are only $460K under the tax line.

A minimum salary slot is nominally $1M, but the actual cost against the luxtax would be his prorated salary over the remaining portion of the season.
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Post#1586 » by DCZards » Thu Mar 2, 2023 5:55 pm

dckingsfan wrote:Carey down. Todd & Davis next year - maybe they can be used as filler in some trade.

I can understand wanting to dump Todd but why would we give up on Davis, who just turned 21, so quickly?
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Post#1587 » by payitforward » Thu Mar 2, 2023 6:21 pm

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payitforward wrote:What I don't understand, however, is how they are going to fill that roster spot without going into lux tax territory -- given that we are only $460K under the tax line.

A minimum salary slot is nominally $1M, but the actual cost against the luxtax would be his prorated salary over the remaining portion of the season.

Huh! You write that with confidence, & it's a subject on which you are the default expert, so I don't question you. But if it's as you describe, it would be easy to render the tax barrier pretty ineffective, because any legal trade would lower both teams' exposure to the tax. Especially trades at the deadline.

In any case, I can't find anything to that effect, only that a team's liability is arrived at by summing the annual salaries of everyone on the roster on the last day of the season. Thus, it would seem that no part of a traded player's salary goes into the calculation, while all of the season-ending roster's salaries do?
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Post#1588 » by dckingsfan » Thu Mar 2, 2023 6:35 pm

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dckingsfan wrote:Carey down. Todd & Davis next year - maybe they can be used as filler in some trade.

I can understand wanting to dump Todd but why would we give up on Davis, who just turned 21, so quickly?

Same reason as Carey and Todd. My take is he isn't going to be an impactful player at this level. We should know by the trade deadline next year.
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Post#1589 » by Frichuela » Thu Mar 2, 2023 6:38 pm

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dckingsfan wrote:Carey down. Todd & Davis next year - maybe they can be used as filler in some trade.

I can understand wanting to dump Todd but why would we give up on Davis, who just turned 21, so quickly?

Same reason as Carey and Todd. My take is he isn't going to be an impactful player at this level. We should know by the trade deadline next year.


Trade proposal: I'd trade Johnny Davis for Houston's Garuba today and twice on Sunday. It seems Usman gets very limited minutes in Houston, perhaps they bite..
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Post#1590 » by gambitx777 » Thu Mar 2, 2023 8:36 pm

No reason to trade Davis. Yet. He's showing some good stuff in the g league. But so did carry so what do I know. Todd hasn't shown anything and Gill is pretty much a waste of space. I would try to get rid of those two before I give up on Todd.

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Post#1591 » by payitforward » Thu Mar 2, 2023 8:54 pm

gambitx777 wrote:..Gill is pretty much a waste of space....

More of the "I know he's not good, because he doesn't score a lot of points" school of analysis.

Gill is absolutely terrific in his role & for the $$ he makes.
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Post#1592 » by Kanyewest » Fri Mar 3, 2023 3:15 am

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Post#1593 » by doclinkin » Fri Mar 3, 2023 3:40 am

Kanyewest wrote:Wizards getting Monte Morris insurance
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Can't be a real name. Jam ari BOO-yay. Sounds like he was named by a Nawlins rapper.

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Post#1594 » by NatP4 » Fri Mar 3, 2023 3:43 am

gambitx777 wrote:No reason to trade Davis. Yet. He's showing some good stuff in the g league. But so did carry so what do I know. Todd hasn't shown anything and Gill is pretty much a waste of space. I would try to get rid of those two before I give up on Todd.

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Davis is very talented. When you have that base of being a high level and versatile defender, with that ridiculous motor, and good basketball IQ&unselfish team play, you have some serious upside to be able to impact winning.

He’s just a consistent 3pt shot away from being a really solid prospect. Just turned 21, starting to play with confidence and look healthy. There’s reason to be excited about him. The overreaction to such a small sample of g league minutes as a 20 year old, was ridiculous.
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Post#1595 » by NatP4 » Fri Mar 3, 2023 3:44 am

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Dotson would’ve been a better choice than Huff or this guy IMO
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Post#1596 » by AFM » Fri Mar 3, 2023 3:51 am

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Can't be a real name. Jam ari BOO-yay. Sounds like he was named by a Nawlins rapper.



Instead of signing "nice guys" Tommy should sign very not nice guys from DC such as:

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Post#1597 » by BearlyBallin » Fri Mar 3, 2023 5:45 am

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I was wondering in the game thread if the team would go get a pg.
He’s got range. Miami just had him on a 10 day contract too.
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Post#1598 » by gambitx777 » Fri Mar 3, 2023 7:22 am

Does that forhead remind you of anyone lol !
He's a decent 3 PT specialist who has a pretty bad assist to turn over ratio and he doesn't shoot ft well for a PG pass. I would rather bring up a guy on the gogo and hell if we were gonna do that why not take a flyer on Dunn's rice racker legs.

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Post#1599 » by doclinkin » Fri Mar 3, 2023 2:31 pm

I think its an audition for the back-up at Nunn's position, since he is expiring in the offseason. This is Tommy being Tommy though. I think we will probably see a series of 10-day players from now through the end of the season since hyperactive Tommy has a slot to play with.
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Post#1600 » by nate33 » Fri Mar 3, 2023 2:33 pm

This is an odd move. A 10-day contract gives us no long term control. So if the goal is to develop a young talent, that young talent can easily be poached by another team. Usually, 10-day guys are veterans who are ready to plug and play, not prospects.

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