Post-game : Knicks beat the breaks off the NJ nets while Ben Simmons was shook

[Fury]

Well I deeply regret wasting my time typing it that’s for sure

It’s not a fact, you don’t know their mindset

So why did they not meet the price? What word would you like to use?

I don’t know why. We don’t know

Maybe it is as you say and they did hesitate on the price and never would have agreed to pay full price, I offered an alternative possible explanation as well which I think lines up with the report that they were “shocked” the deal didn’t get done. Maybe eventually Leon would have caved in and paid the asking price but we never got the chance to find out because someone else paid up first. But we don’t know

I think you need to re-read what I wrote:

Fact: They hesitated on the price

I never said why. Your paragraphs are conjecture because you don't know why. But it's a fact that they hesitated on the price. If they did not hesitate on the price, that means they met the price, which means there would have been a trade.

[Capn'O]

This team has a 2nd gear. They can punch a team in the mouth, cruise, then turn it on when they need to and finish the job.

This means the Knicks are elite?

It may not be real life But wherever we are, it's what is happening.

[robillionaire]

No. Not sure what your point is. They hesitated on the price.

Or they just got greedy

I mean if I see a guy selling a car on the internet for $10,000 and I want the car and think that’s a good price but think hey, I’m slick, I’m a wheeler and dealer, I’m going to haggle this guy down to $9,000, and then while we are having a back and forth someone offers the whole $10,000 and they sell it out from under me, it doesn’t mean I thought the initial price was unfair, I just got greedy

Leon didn’t want to be viewed as “the guy who got ripped off by ainge” and decided he wanted to wheel and deal (not necessarily a bad thing, we want him to get us good deals) and in the meantime another team decided they were willing to pay the full asking price. So we didn’t get the car

Now we can only hope Leon has a plan B

Do we really always trust the car salesman?

There is also the possibility that Ainge was trying to rip us off and was negotiating in bad faith. He may have been charging us the tourist /sucker price.

Maybe. I guess the way I see it as an NBA GM they are essentially salesmen, their job is to get the best deal possible whether buying or selling, both Ainge and Leon. So you can’t blame Ainge for trying to get maximum value or Leon for trying to get the best price possible, that’s them doing their jobs. So I wouldn’t call that bad faith negotiations so much as doing what they get paid to do.

In some sense we should be glad that at least Leon is willing to make an effort to negotiate and get better deals. Even though this one didn’t work out for us

[stuporman]

Brunson just had a 99%TS game? Somewhere, there is someone that just blew their pants off in...um... 'excitement'.

[robillionaire]

So why did they not meet the price? What word would you like to use?

I don’t know why. We don’t know

Maybe it is as you say and they did hesitate on the price and never would have agreed to pay full price, I offered an alternative possible explanation as well which I think lines up with the report that they were “shocked” the deal didn’t get done. Maybe eventually Leon would have caved in and paid the asking price but we never got the chance to find out because someone else paid up first. But we don’t know

I think you need to re-read what I wrote:

Fact: They hesitated on the price

I never said why. Your paragraphs are conjecture because you don't know why. But it's a fact that they hesitated on the price. If they did not hesitate on the price, that means they met the price, which means there would have been a trade.

Both of these opinions are conjecture. You can’t rule out my scenario as a possibility. You weren’t in the room. All any of us can do is speculate

[Fury]

I don’t know why. We don’t know

Maybe it is as you say and they did hesitate on the price and never would have agreed to pay full price, I offered an alternative possible explanation as well which I think lines up with the report that they were “shocked” the deal didn’t get done. Maybe eventually Leon would have caved in and paid the asking price but we never got the chance to find out because someone else paid up first. But we don’t know

I think you need to re-read what I wrote:

Fact: They hesitated on the price

I never said why. Your paragraphs are conjecture because you don't know why. But it's a fact that they hesitated on the price. If they did not hesitate on the price, that means they met the price, which means there would have been a trade.

Both of these opinions are conjecture. You can’t rule out my scenario as a possibility. You weren’t in the room. All any of us can do is speculate

Huh? You agreed that he hesitated. That's all I said, that he hesitated. How the hell is that an opinion? Utah wanted a certain amount of assets and the Knicks hesitated on that price. Tf man, are you trolling?

Could someone else explain this to this dude. Feel like I'm taking crazy pills. If you say Leon may have caved in, that means he had to have hesitated at first! Like wtf dude

[robillionaire]

I think you need to re-read what I wrote:

Fact: They hesitated on the price

I never said why. Your paragraphs are conjecture because you don't know why. But it's a fact that they hesitated on the price. If they did not hesitate on the price, that means they met the price, which means there would have been a trade.

Both of these opinions are conjecture. You can’t rule out my scenario as a possibility. You weren’t in the room. All any of us can do is speculate

Huh? You agreed that he hesitated. That's all I said, that he hesitated. How the hell is that an opinion? Utah wanted a certain amount of assets and the Knicks hesitated on that price. Tf man, are you trolling?

Could someone else explain this to this dude. Feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

Maybe it’s a semantics thing. To me when you say “hesitated” it implies you think he was unwilling to eventually pay the full price. If you’re not saying that, don’t worry about it.

Actually don’t worry about it anyway. Don’t appreciate the personal insults about trolling and crazy pills. You are not serious about having a real conversation. You apparently don’t like me and that’s fine. I am foe listing you, have a nice life

[Fat Kat]

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[Fury]

Both of these opinions are conjecture. You can’t rule out my scenario as a possibility. You weren’t in the room. All any of us can do is speculate

Huh? You agreed that he hesitated. That's all I said, that he hesitated. How the hell is that an opinion? Utah wanted a certain amount of assets and the Knicks hesitated on that price. Tf man, are you trolling?

Could someone else explain this to this dude. Feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

Maybe it’s a semantics thing. To me when you say “hesitated” it implies you think he was unwilling to eventually pay the full price. If you’re not saying that, don’t worry about it.

but it IS a FACT that he was unwilling to pay the full price. Eventually is again, conjecture. But all we have is the reality. The reality is that he was unwilling to pay the full price. That's hesitation. That's fact. I don't know what he would have done in the future, in a hypothetical scenario. But for like 3 months, he HESITATED TO PAY THE FULL PRICE. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED!

[Synciere]

If Philly loses in the playoffs early again, I don't think Joel will give them a choice.

Even if he does, no way Philly moves him to a division rival. Philly and New York are not making a huge trade like that.

Nevermind the Embiid pipe dream. I’d pursue this deal:

RJ Barrett
+ draft capital

— FOR —

Trey Murphy III
Jose Alvarado
Josh Richardson
Jaxson Hayes (expiring)

This is more in the mold of how our team is being built. Murphy is still ascending and can play off anyone seamlessly — he plays team ball better than RJ and is way more efficient. Alvarado is from NYC and just feels like a Knick! Richardson will only have 1 year left on his deal and Hayes is an expiring.

The math works and I believe David Griffin would pull the trigger on this. It reunites RJ with Zion (good PR) and it thins the herd for a too deep Pelicans team. The draft capital is gravy and would make him feel like he won the deal (when in actuality he wouldn’t). RJ would replace Murphy as a young wing and the Pelicans already have Dyson Daniels to replace Alvarado.

I’m pounding the table and screaming at the top of my lungs that this trade would make us so good and put us over the top without star phuccing. We would assemble the greatest fluidly playing team since the Knicks two 70s championship squads. And they would all be young and in position to grow for years as perennial beasts of the East!

If ya’ll were smitten with the Randle | Bullock two-man game then just close your eyes and imagine Randle | Murphy doing the same.

DREAM WITH ME
Brunson | Alvarado
Grimes | Quickley
Murphy III | Hart
Randle | Toppin
Robinson | Hartenstein

…that TEAM is coming out of the East.

I hate to say this because it's been said before but RJ isn't playing like a guy who would get that type of return. I don't see any reason for NO to make that trade unless Zion demands it. We're stuck with RJ for now, which may end up being a good thing down the line as he grows. Right now, we need to focus on moving guys like Fournier and some some draft compensation to a wing heavy team like the Nets, another team we're not likely to make moves with, but the fit is there as far as players.

[dakomish23]

Ppl were really trashing the Hart deal. Not just here but all over RGM.

+30 tonight.

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I can’t wait till he takes over for Eric Adams

Did they? I liked it immediately knowing he's a good solid player. He's better than I thought. I love him.

Yep. I don’t feel petty enough to pull up the reactions. Maybe the summer time

[prophet_of_rage]

These Hart Starks comparisons must stop. Sure Hart wears 3 but he is.much better than Starks. His contribution has been on the Sprewell trade level.

He doesn't score like Sprewell but he doesn't need the ball like Spree. But he is the foxhole player that can give you bits of everything.

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[robillionaire]

These Hart Starks comparisons must stop. Sure Hart wears 3 but he is.much better than Starks. His contribution has been on the Sprewell trade level.

He doesn't score like Sprewell but he doesn't need the ball like Spree. But he is the foxhole player that can give you bits of everything.

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Man why you gotta throw Starks under the bus like that. I loved both players if nothing else for the heart and determination they showed on the court

[stuporman]

The only real estate in Brooklyn that isn't going up in value is the seats at the Barclays....

[robillionaire]

The only real estate in Brooklyn that isn't going up in value is the seats at the Barclays....

If they don’t ramp up the tank fast they might have to do like Harden did and stand in the streets trying to give away free playoff tickets

[Jalen Bluntson]

Anyone know what happened on December 3rd? Interesting cutoff date. I just wonder...

Grimes Deuce Sims enter the lineup on the 4th? We got beat down by Dallas 12/3. We were 10-13.

Warm.

It was your birthday?

[WargamesX]

all the reports said the knicks were caught off guard when mitchell was traded to cleveland, not that they turned it down. they expected to eventually reach a deal. i don't care about not getting him now but that's rewriting history.

True but they also signed RJ long term just prior. I thought the context of them being shocked wasn’t that DM got traded, but that Utah immediately traded him for assets in line with what NY had already offered. It wasn’t even a long process they just took the offer.

Same thing happened with Beasley and Vanderbilt. They made a fair offer Fournier, Toppin, and a draft pick and Ainge continues to try and rob them for additional assets and demanded another first rounder. Meanwhile he took Westbrook, scrap and a first to do the deal. Ainge either loathe’s the Knicks or has them categorized as a team to always exploit. Rose and them twice now approached Ainge on a fair trade bit.

I say all that to say this. You can’t judge Rose to Harshly regarding Utah. Ainge is working off an agenda to overcharge the Knicks everytime they engage.

I judge Rose positively for not allowing himself to get fleeced.

I do to, but there are people who are still mad we didn’t get Mitchell. Leon made several fair offers some even better than what Ainge eventually took. Ainge won’t deal with the Knicks unless he can kneecap them.

[Knicksfan1992]

whether its getting lucky or being good Leon has had a lot of things fall his way this year.

Brunson signing
The Donovan Mitchell deal not being completed
The trade for Reddish that didn't work out but then led to the acquisition of Hart

We are legit good now and with how good Brunson is playing and the depth of our team...you can legit say we are probably 1 piece away from being a contender.

Leon deserves credit for getting a lot of the things on the margins right. Gives you a lot more room for error on the big things and makes it easier to fix past mistakes.

Having Deuce be a competent rotation piece as a 2nd rounder allowed Thibs to drop Cam.

When Mitch goes down the Knicks can still put out a competent C rotation because he hit on Sims as a late 2nd round pick.

Having Quickley and Grimes be major parts of the rotation as late 1st round picks allowed him the ability to pivot a lot easier off of the disaster of last year because you could bank on rookie scale guys giving you solid production this year.

The Knicks of the past would have had trouble swinging a trade for Hart because we would have been too worried about our future asset pool. Now that we have young guys and a plethora of picks it makes it easier to swallow giving up a 1st this year.

Those little wins on the margins add up over time. Many teams don't hit on more than one late 1st or second round picks and Leon has hit on a few now.

I would say less Leon and more Walt Perrin. I think Obi was a Leon pick. I think the later 1st round picks where we have made a lot of headway with our Walt Perrin picks. Yes hiring Walt Perrin was a really good move from Leon...but we were pretty mid which was frustrating because it was tough to see where this was going other than hoping and praying for a star to come around.

Now the Jalen Brunson move kinda set us off. Getting him I don't know anyone who could have projected his impact on this team. He has to be one of the best guards in he entire sport and doing it with great EFF.

IQ natural development then add in the Hart trade which again has had another great impact on the team.

And Julius returning back to his form from 2 years ago.

All these factors have impacted us...I am really curious how legit this is. Are we a legit threat to a team in the playoffs? I want to believe that but only time will tell.

So far his moves this year seem to be making up for the disaster of last year with Fournier/Rose/Noel ect...and its interesting all this year was signing brunson and trusting our young players.

Hiring a good staff is why we got Leon in the 1st place IMO. He's a relationships guy. You don't get to the head of CAA without knowing some good basketball people.

Perrin may have made the scouting calls but Leon has final say at the end of the day.

We also know he's beefed up the analytics team as well which 100% factored in to the Quickley pick based on Weitzmans story a few years ago and I'm sure played a big part in targeting Grimes as well.

At the end of the day it's nice to have a baseline competent FO regardless of who really deserves credit for what

[Capn'O]

Grimes Deuce Sims enter the lineup on the 4th? We got beat down by Dallas 12/3. We were 10-13.

Warm.

It was your birthday?

It had that warm feeling of receiving an amazing and unexpected birthday gift.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Warm.

It was your birthday?

It had that warm feeling of receiving an amazing and unexpected birthday gift.

Cam was benched forever!!!