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2023 NBA Draft – Thurs, 8PM, June 22

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Re: 2023 NBA Draft 

Post#341 » by Smart2Nesmith43 » Thu Mar 2, 2023 4:26 pm

playa-hater wrote:I forget, we need Houston to not be a top 3 worst teams to get 31 to 33??

The Houston pick is top 32 protected so the best Boston can hope for is 33rd. Considering Houston is at 13 wins, Detroit and San Antonio are at 15 and everybody else is at 20+, realistically it's going to be 33rd or bust. I'll look at the tiebreakers if Houston closes the gap on the Pistons/Spurs in the coming weeks.

If the Houston pick doesn't convey Boston gets the worst of Dallas and Miami's second round picks so just in case you should root for Kyrie's team and the Heat to lose as much as possible.

Celtics also have the Portland pick and despite Lillard going crazy in recent weeks they have really fallen off after their hot start and they should give up something around the 40th pick.
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Post#342 » by 165bows » Thu Mar 2, 2023 4:32 pm

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playa-hater wrote:I forget, we need Houston to not be a top 3 worst teams to get 31 to 33??

The Houston pick is top 32 protected so the best Boston can hope for is 33rd. Considering Houston is at 13 wins, Detroit and San Antonio are at 15 and everybody else is at 20+, realistically it's going to be 33rd or bust. I'll look at the tiebreakers if Houston closes the gap on the Pistons/Spurs in the coming weeks.

If the Houston pick doesn't convey Boston gets the worst of Dallas and Miami's second round picks so just in case you should root for Kyrie's team and the Heat to lose as much as possible.

Celtics also have the Portland pick and despite Lillard going crazy in recent weeks they have really fallen off after their hot start and they should give up something around the 40th pick.

Somewhere soon Houston has a back to back with San Antonio who has been, uh, great at tanking lately. That could put that pick in or out of play pretty quickly.
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Post#343 » by 165bows » Thu Mar 2, 2023 4:34 pm

Hal14 wrote:yeah, no way this guy makes it to the 2nd round. it would be nice, though. And I doubt Brad trades up..

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Very Brogdon-y kind of guy, fits the mold of what Boston likes. Likely long gone though as you say.
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Post#344 » by djFan71 » Thu Mar 2, 2023 5:46 pm

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playa-hater wrote:I forget, we need Houston to not be a top 3 worst teams to get 31 to 33??

The Houston pick is top 32 protected so the best Boston can hope for is 33rd. Considering Houston is at 13 wins, Detroit and San Antonio are at 15 and everybody else is at 20+, realistically it's going to be 33rd or bust. I'll look at the tiebreakers if Houston closes the gap on the Pistons/Spurs in the coming weeks.

If the Houston pick doesn't convey Boston gets the worst of Dallas and Miami's second round picks so just in case you should root for Kyrie's team and the Heat to lose as much as possible.

Celtics also have the Portland pick and despite Lillard going crazy in recent weeks they have really fallen off after their hot start and they should give up something around the 40th pick.

Could get even uglier for POR real quick. Simons re-aggravated his ankle in his first game back and they go on a long road trip now. That team has no scoring outside of Dame without him. Grant had 28 last night, but it seemed irrelevant. 15 on kickout 3s which is nice, but Dame basically had to create everything.
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Post#345 » by cl2117 » Thu Mar 2, 2023 5:48 pm

Hal14 wrote:yeah, no way this guy makes it to the 2nd round. it would be nice, though. And I doubt Brad trades up..

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Maybe he bucks the trend this summer with Pritchard likely getting moved?

PP doesn't make a ton, so matching salary for a non-rookie scale guy is tough. Moving him for a pick might make the most sense if there's a buyer. Doubt he would land a first on his own, but maybe a team is willing to move back into the 2nd round for a piece that is more ready to contribute (PP) and a high/mid 2nd.

Warriors and Hornets were rumored to be interested and they should both have picks in the 20s, plus Utah has 3 firsts and PP was one of Ainge's final picks.

Given how deep we are, I think that could be a solid move. Slot Davison or Yam into Pritchard's depth role, hope injuries don't force you into playing them, use the pick to add some talent on the wing or upfront to develop.
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Post#346 » by Hal14 » Thu Mar 2, 2023 6:10 pm

cl2117 wrote:
Hal14 wrote:yeah, no way this guy makes it to the 2nd round. it would be nice, though. And I doubt Brad trades up..

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Maybe he bucks the trend this summer with Pritchard likely getting moved?

PP doesn't make a ton, so matching salary for a non-rookie scale guy is tough. Moving him for a pick might make the most sense if there's a buyer. Doubt he would land a first on his own, but maybe a team is willing to move back into the 2nd round for a piece that is more ready to contribute (PP) and a high/mid 2nd.

Warriors and Hornets were rumored to be interested and they should both have picks in the 20s, plus Utah has 3 firsts and PP was one of Ainge's final picks.

Given how deep we are, I think that could be a solid move. Slot Davison or Yam into Pritchard's depth role, hope injuries don't force you into playing them, use the pick to add some talent on the wing or upfront to develop.

Possibly. But Brad's philosophy has been trading 1st round picks - not trading for them, swing on someone with some upside in mid to late 2nd round, and try to add as many veterans (age 27 or older) who can shoot and/or provide defensive versatility and/or be unselfish ball movers as possible.

He seems to really prefer acquiring proven vets (who are more likely to contribute for a contender) over acquiring young unproven players.
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Post#347 » by cl2117 » Fri Mar 3, 2023 2:04 am

Hal14 wrote:Possibly. But Brad's philosophy has been trading 1st round picks - not trading for them, swing on someone with some upside in mid to late 2nd round, and try to add as many veterans (age 27 or older) who can shoot and/or provide defensive versatility and/or be unselfish ball movers as possible.

He seems to really prefer acquiring proven vets (who are more likely to contribute for a contender) over acquiring young unproven players.

Yeah I just think his hands might be tied a bit here in terms of being able to acquire an older vet just due to salary matching. Unless he's including Gallo to help beef up the pot, you're gonna struggle to find a vet who can contribute for that low money (and even with adding Gallo it's limited). And then after Gallo you'd be talking about trading one of the core rotation pieces in addition to PP and with the way we're rolling I'm not sure I see him wanting to swap out any of the top 7 guys.

Maybe the more likely option would be to try and snag a pick in the future rather than moving up in the '23 draft. Then he's adding ammo to be able to stack 3-4 picks on top of each other and go for a bigger fish, plus you don't have the used car element of a draft pick losing value as soon as it's used and driven off the lot.

You're right though, it's probably far more likely he doesn't trade up and ends up adding a veteran we're not thinking about, using some of the guys we got stashed to fill out the roster while using 2nds to re-stock the Euro talent pool (I love that approach as well).

More likely just wishful thinking on my part. I like the idea that we could potentially move into the back half of the first round, mainly just to keep up my interest levels in the draft.
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Post#348 » by Smart2Nesmith43 » Fri Mar 3, 2023 10:03 am

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Hal14 wrote:Possibly. But Brad's philosophy has been trading 1st round picks - not trading for them, swing on someone with some upside in mid to late 2nd round, and try to add as many veterans (age 27 or older) who can shoot and/or provide defensive versatility and/or be unselfish ball movers as possible.

He seems to really prefer acquiring proven vets (who are more likely to contribute for a contender) over acquiring young unproven players.

Yeah I just think his hands might be tied a bit here in terms of being able to acquire an older vet just due to salary matching. Unless he's including Gallo to help beef up the pot, you're gonna struggle to find a vet who can contribute for that low money (and even with adding Gallo it's limited). And then after Gallo you'd be talking about trading one of the core rotation pieces in addition to PP and with the way we're rolling I'm not sure I see him wanting to swap out any of the top 7 guys.

Maybe the more likely option would be to try and snag a pick in the future rather than moving up in the '23 draft. Then he's adding ammo to be able to stack 3-4 picks on top of each other and go for a bigger fish, plus you don't have the used car element of a draft pick losing value as soon as it's used and driven off the lot.

You're right though, it's probably far more likely he doesn't trade up and ends up adding a veteran we're not thinking about, using some of the guys we got stashed to fill out the roster while using 2nds to re-stock the Euro talent pool (I love that approach as well).

More likely just wishful thinking on my part. I like the idea that we could potentially move into the back half of the first round, mainly just to keep up my interest levels in the draft.

I really don't expect Boston to move up into the first round this year. It would fit Stevens' MO and the Celtics' needs much better to actually spend additional draft assets on a consolidation trade. The Celtics have 7 core rotation guys under contract next year (Tatum, Brown, Smart, Horford, Timelord, White and Brogdon). As a result they only have two rotation spots open.

Pritchard can't even get on the floor right now, and even Grant got a DNP-CD last game. That's before Gallinari comes back and bringing in whatever guy they pick up with the MLE. For the locker room chemistry, you just can't have that many guys that think they should play but don't.

This summer, I think we'll see something similar to the Brogdon trade to get that 8th guy you can play every night in the playoffs (hard to predict who that could be because it will depend on who's going to sell after flaming out early in the playoffs). So don't get too attached to that 2024 pick. Then like you said use the second rounders to get guys into the development pipeline for later, either in Maine or in Europe.
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Post#349 » by BK_2020 » Fri Mar 3, 2023 11:14 am

Hopefully Brad packages a pick and some cash to move up for someone long and athletic, but it looks like the Celtics' MO is to save their cash for flexibility to dump salary during the season.
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Post#350 » by playa-hater » Fri Mar 3, 2023 2:44 pm

SAS beating the Pacers last night did not help the cause.. :x
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Post#351 » by 165bows » Fri Mar 3, 2023 6:10 pm

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Hal14 wrote:yeah, no way this guy makes it to the 2nd round. it would be nice, though. And I doubt Brad trades up..

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Very Brogdon-y kind of guy, fits the mold of what Boston likes. Likely long gone though as you say.

Podziemski is a similar sized guy with somewhat similar combo-guard mold. More scorer than all-around guy like Jones but he also seems similar to guards Brad has targeted. Does seem like a guy that would prioritize playing time based on what I saw but hey there is always those nicely priced two-way spots lol.
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Post#352 » by Hal14 » Sat Mar 4, 2023 3:58 am

A couple of bigs I like.

Adem Bona (we've already talked about him a little bit) and Dereck Lively.

Here's a sick play from the other night by Bona. Look at how quick and how fluid he moves here. And also how much urgency/determination he shows as he sprints up the floor and blocks the shot.

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Bona is a little bit quicker.

But Lively is 3" taller (Lively is 7'1", Bona is 6'10") and Lively is a year younger. Because of those 2 factors, I have Lively just barely ranked higher.

But they both have the potential to be REALLY good rim runner, lob threat, rim protector bigs.

And they've shown flashes of other stuff too - Lively hit a lot of 3's in HS and in AAU. Bona showed some impressive flashes facing up from the FT line or even 3 pt line, putting it on the floor and taking it to the rim. So they both have some untapped potential, stuff that hasn't been shown as much so far in college.

Both likely to go late 1st or early 2nd round. So we may have to trade up to get them, or perhaps 1 of them is still there if we pick in the 33-40 range. Then again, I did see a mock today that had us taking Bona with the 60th pick (although I believe that pick is being traded to OKC..) but just shows, Bona could still be there later in the draft.

With either of them, you just develop them as g league guy / end of bench guys for a year or 2. Then after that you should have yourself a good backup big man, with the potential to possibly become the starting center during games rob is out with injury - or perhaps if by that time we have traded Rob..

We haven't drafted a big since Rob, 5 yrs ago. With his continued injury issues and Al turning 37 soon, I wouldn't hate it if we take a big man with whatever our highest pick ends up being in this draft.

Lively, Bona, James Nnaji, Jackson-Davis, Coleman Hawkins, Sanogo, etc. There's some good bigs who could be available in the 2nd round.

If we come out of this draft with Bona or Lively, C's fans should be happy.
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Post#353 » by Hal14 » Sun Mar 5, 2023 5:45 pm

Another sick block by Bona. Rob's future replacement? Bona has no injury concerns that I'm aware of.

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Post#354 » by BostonCouchGM » Mon Mar 6, 2023 10:01 pm

Hal14 wrote:Another sick block by Bona. Rob's future replacement? Bona has no injury concerns that I'm aware of.

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Was high on Bona before the season began. Nice to see casuals finally discovering him
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Post#355 » by DrCoach » Tue Mar 7, 2023 1:01 am

DrCoach wrote:Chris Ledlum - Harvard

35pts 13rebs 6stls 3ast 2Blks two 3’s





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Post#356 » by BostonCouchGM » Tue Mar 7, 2023 4:26 am

DrCoach wrote:
DrCoach wrote:Chris Ledlum - Harvard

35pts 13rebs 6stls 3ast 2Blks two 3’s







he looks the part but he can't shoot unfortunately and we're pretty stacked at the 2/3
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Post#357 » by 165bows » Wed Mar 8, 2023 11:15 am

Don’t look now but Boston is a Houston win away from sitting in position to land two top-40 picks.
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Post#358 » by Hal14 » Wed Mar 8, 2023 8:15 pm

What a bummer:

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I had him down as a wing to keep on our radar with a potential mid to late 2nd round pick.

Now he'll likely have to return to UCLA for another year - this will drop his draft stock too much.

Wish him a speedy recovery - good player who is fun to watch.
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Post#359 » by DrCoach » Thu Mar 9, 2023 4:40 am

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Post#360 » by playa-hater » Thu Mar 9, 2023 4:21 pm

1 game separating Detroit Houston and SA. Boston may desperately need that 33 pick.. only way to get a young Big perhaps.
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