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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#141 » by azcatz11 » Fri Mar 3, 2023 4:05 am

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clyde21 wrote:any characterization that Scoot shoots too much is hilarious and a hallmark of someone that actually hasn't seen him play, he shoots less than 14 attempts a pop right now in the GL in 30 mins, even in HS he wasn't a guy that would take too many shots even when he was clearly the top dog on his teams.

some of yall need to bow out and watch some games before giving your opinions.


When’s the last time a team has won a championship or reached the finals with a lead guard like that though?


a lead guard like what?

Smart was the lead guard for Boston's finals team last year, Cp3 was the lead guard for Phoenix's finals team, Jrue for Milwaukee's...I'm confused.


A lead guard who is not a great 3 point shooter or facilitator.
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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#142 » by clyde21 » Fri Mar 3, 2023 4:17 am

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When’s the last time a team has won a championship or reached the finals with a lead guard like that though?


a lead guard like what?

Smart was the lead guard for Boston's finals team last year, Cp3 was the lead guard for Phoenix's finals team, Jrue for Milwaukee's...I'm confused.


A lead guard who is not a great 3 point shooter or facilitator.


he's a great facilitator and his shooting will be fine, mechanics aren't broken and he can get shots off anytime he wants, and has good indicators from the FT line. not worried about that.
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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#143 » by big-shot-ROB » Fri Mar 3, 2023 3:50 pm

azcatz11 wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
azcatz11 wrote:
When’s the last time a team has won a championship or reached the finals with a lead guard like that though?


a lead guard like what?

Smart was the lead guard for Boston's finals team last year, Cp3 was the lead guard for Phoenix's finals team, Jrue for Milwaukee's...I'm confused.


A lead guard who is not a great 3 point shooter or facilitator.


Smart was the lead guard for Boston's finals team last year
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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#144 » by EvanZ » Fri Mar 3, 2023 4:13 pm

Jaylen Brown and Tatum were the lead guards. Let’s not pretend.


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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#145 » by EvanZ » Fri Mar 3, 2023 4:24 pm

Also they went out and got Brogdon for a reason.


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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#146 » by Hal14 » Fri Mar 3, 2023 4:44 pm

big-shot-ROB wrote:
azcatz11 wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
a lead guard like what?

Smart was the lead guard for Boston's finals team last year, Cp3 was the lead guard for Phoenix's finals team, Jrue for Milwaukee's...I'm confused.


A lead guard who is not a great 3 point shooter or facilitator.


Smart was the lead guard for Boston's finals team last year

And Smart is a very good facilitator. Tatum said that Smart is his favorite teammate because of how many times Smart will make a great pass to get Tatum the ball in a good position to score.

Smart's assist % isn't crazy high. but he also has very low usage. That's by design, he doesn't hold onto the ball, he kaeeps it moving like a hot potato which makes the celtics harder to defend and it keeps the ball in tatum or brown's hands (the guys who are much more talented scorers) more often.

And Scoot is a very good facilitator too so not sure what we're doing here lol
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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#147 » by TheSuzerain » Fri Mar 3, 2023 5:40 pm

azcatz11 wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
azcatz11 wrote:
When’s the last time a team has won a championship or reached the finals with a lead guard like that though?


a lead guard like what?

Smart was the lead guard for Boston's finals team last year, Cp3 was the lead guard for Phoenix's finals team, Jrue for Milwaukee's...I'm confused.


A lead guard who is not a great 3 point shooter or facilitator.

This plus the low FT draw rate has me a bit concerned with Scoot.

Seems like a master of none.
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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#148 » by clyde21 » Fri Mar 3, 2023 5:54 pm

EvanZ wrote:Also they went out and got Brogdon for a reason.


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and Scoot's a much better lead guard prospet than Smart ever was, your point?
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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#149 » by clyde21 » Fri Mar 3, 2023 5:54 pm

TheSuzerain wrote:
azcatz11 wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
a lead guard like what?

Smart was the lead guard for Boston's finals team last year, Cp3 was the lead guard for Phoenix's finals team, Jrue for Milwaukee's...I'm confused.


A lead guard who is not a great 3 point shooter or facilitator.

This plus the low FT draw rate has me a bit concerned with Scoot.

Seems like a master of none.


the guy who wants to take Zach fkn Edey top 5 is concerned with Scoot.

you can't make this up.
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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#150 » by azcatz11 » Fri Mar 3, 2023 7:00 pm

clyde21 wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:
azcatz11 wrote:
A lead guard who is not a great 3 point shooter or facilitator.

This plus the low FT draw rate has me a bit concerned with Scoot.

Seems like a master of none.


the guy who wants to take Zach fkn Edey top 5 is concerned with Scoot.

you can't make this up.


It's a valid point though. How is a good facilitator? He takes way too many mid range 2's from what I've seen. I'm not saying he's a bad passer but it's clear to me he's very similar to Rose which may not work in the modern NBA
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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#151 » by JMAC3 » Fri Mar 3, 2023 7:53 pm

Idk how we got to comparing Scoot to Smart and Holiday, but he is nowhere near that level of defender nor should we expect that to ever be the case.

The Gleague talent is so incredibly overrated.

I really don't think because Scoot is playing against Gabe York, Grant Riller and Shariffe Cooper we should applaud him.

Someone like Keyonte George has logged more minutes vs future NBA players than he has this season.
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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#152 » by TheSuzerain » Fri Mar 3, 2023 7:53 pm

clyde21 wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:
azcatz11 wrote:
A lead guard who is not a great 3 point shooter or facilitator.

This plus the low FT draw rate has me a bit concerned with Scoot.

Seems like a master of none.


the guy who wants to take Zach fkn Edey top 5 is concerned with Scoot.

you can't make this up.

I still think Scoot is a very good prospect. But I don't think he's alone in a second tier behind Wemby.
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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#153 » by sunless01 » Fri Mar 3, 2023 8:45 pm

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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#154 » by reanimator » Fri Mar 3, 2023 8:57 pm

JMAC3 wrote:Idk how we got to comparing Scoot to Smart and Holiday, but he is nowhere near that level of defender nor should we expect that to ever be the case.

The Gleague talent is so incredibly overrated.

I really don't think because Scoot is playing against Gabe York, Grant Riller and Shariffe Cooper we should applaud him.

Someone like Keyonte George has logged more minutes vs future NBA players than he has this season.


An average P5 college team may have 1-2 future pros maximum with guys who will not even be G League level filling out a roster. Plus G league has current pros rehabbing, 1st and 2nd round prospects who can't get reps at the NBA level, and even former NBA vets who are on the tail end of their career. There is just a huge gap in depth between NCAA and D1. Even the guys who were just solid starters at the P5 level, are more physically matured versions of their college selves.

How many NCAA teams can field Kennedy Chandler-Ziaire Williams-Mattthew Hurt/Vince Williams-Jake LaRavia-Kenny Lofton level starting 5s? Gabe York, Grant Riller and Shariffe Cooper were all college standouts. So how could a team compiled of guys like this be less talented than a college team where 90% of the roster is way below that level?
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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#155 » by big-shot-ROB » Fri Mar 3, 2023 10:36 pm

Hal14 wrote:
big-shot-ROB wrote:
azcatz11 wrote:
A lead guard who is not a great 3 point shooter or facilitator.


Smart was the lead guard for Boston's finals team last year

And Smart is a very good facilitator. Tatum said that Smart is his favorite teammate because of how many times Smart will make a great pass to get Tatum the ball in a good position to score.

Smart's assist % isn't crazy high. but he also has very low usage. That's by design, he doesn't hold onto the ball, he kaeeps it moving like a hot potato which makes the celtics harder to defend and it keeps the ball in tatum or brown's hands (the guys who are much more talented scorers) more often.

And Scoot is a very good facilitator too so not sure what we're doing here lol


yeah, but he said great. Smart is a good facilitator and at most average. So we just have an example last year of a guy who was a lead guard that could've won a ring if Tatum didn't shat his pants
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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#156 » by EvanZ » Sat Mar 4, 2023 12:29 am

Why are people calling Smart a lead guard? He’s clearly not. Is PatBev a lead guard when he was a starter? Just because you start games and are short doesn’t make you a lead guard. What a silly comparison in the first place. Scoot and Smart are completely different archetypes. It’s hilarious because we already have Cason for that archetype comp.


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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#157 » by The-Power » Sat Mar 4, 2023 8:43 am

JMAC3 wrote:The Gleague talent is so incredibly overrated.

I really don't think because Scoot is playing against Gabe York, Grant Riller and Shariffe Cooper we should applaud him.

Someone like Keyonte George has logged more minutes vs future NBA players than he has this season.

You do realize that players develop after college, right? The G-League is way better than the NCAA in terms of how good the players are no matter how you slice it. There are some HS teams that have serious NBA future talent. They still can't hold a candle to grown up professionals at that point.

On the game: really rough game for Scoot. His shot would not drop at all, the shot selection wasn't great, and he played poor defense. He's been struggling a bit lately and it'll be interesting to see how he responds. He'll have to pick it up again if he wants to be the #2 pick this year.
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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#158 » by JMAC3 » Sat Mar 4, 2023 3:33 pm

The-Power wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:The Gleague talent is so incredibly overrated.

I really don't think because Scoot is playing against Gabe York, Grant Riller and Shariffe Cooper we should applaud him.

Someone like Keyonte George has logged more minutes vs future NBA players than he has this season.

You do realize that players develop after college, right? The G-League is way better than the NCAA in terms of how good the players are no matter how you slice it. There are some HS teams that have serious NBA future talent. They still can't hold a candle to grown up professionals at that point.

On the game: really rough game for Scoot. His shot would not drop at all, the shot selection wasn't great, and he played poor defense. He's been struggling a bit lately and it'll be interesting to see how he responds. He'll have to pick it up again if he wants to be the #2 pick this year.


At the end of the day they are in the gleague for a reason, guys in college will have roster spots and play more in the NBA before them. The overall average player might be better in gleague, but the top tier talent is better in college.

Using my Keyonte George example.... Keyonte Johnson, Nick Smith, Anthony Black, Gradey Dick, Jalen Wilson, Jaylen Clark, Jaime Jacquez, Julian Strawther are probably all playing majority of mins in NBA next season. All of these players are better than Riller, Cooper and York.
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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#159 » by eminence » Sat Mar 4, 2023 3:56 pm

JMAC3 wrote:
The-Power wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:The Gleague talent is so incredibly overrated.

I really don't think because Scoot is playing against Gabe York, Grant Riller and Shariffe Cooper we should applaud him.

Someone like Keyonte George has logged more minutes vs future NBA players than he has this season.

You do realize that players develop after college, right? The G-League is way better than the NCAA in terms of how good the players are no matter how you slice it. There are some HS teams that have serious NBA future talent. They still can't hold a candle to grown up professionals at that point.

On the game: really rough game for Scoot. His shot would not drop at all, the shot selection wasn't great, and he played poor defense. He's been struggling a bit lately and it'll be interesting to see how he responds. He'll have to pick it up again if he wants to be the #2 pick this year.


At the end of the day they are in the gleague for a reason, guys in college will have roster spots and play more in the NBA before them. The overall average player might be better in gleague, but the top tier talent is better in college.

Using my Keyonte George example.... Keyonte Johnson, Nick Smith, Anthony Black, Gradey Dick, Jalen Wilson, Jaylen Clark, Jaime Jacquez, Julian Strawther are probably all playing majority of mins in NBA next season. All of these players are better than Riller, Cooper and York.


The 'talent' is better, but they aren't better players.

They'll get more NBA minutes because teams want to develop their young guys directly with their franchise.

Guys like Justin Anderson and Mason Jones would absolutely dominate the NCAA (even more than they already did).
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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#160 » by reanimator » Sat Mar 4, 2023 3:57 pm

JMAC3 wrote:
The-Power wrote:Keyonte Johnson, Nick Smith, Anthony Black, Gradey Dick, Jalen Wilson, Jaylen Clark, Jaime Jacquez, Julian Strawther are probably all playing majority of mins in NBA next season.



70% of this list will spend significant time in the G League next year.

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