Grant Williams thread

[165bows]

I’m mixed on Grant. I agree he’s an 8th man in that may be his skill/quality level relative to the rest of the roster but he’s also 4th on the team in minutes and misses third by a slim margin.

I like him and he’s been a boon to this team but I also think his spot is one that could use an upgrade for a high end player if possible.

[Marvel]

Grant gets a DNP and the haters come out.

He is a really good role player and a great teammate. There is a lot he does for the team, including playing multiple positions amd guarding multiple positions. Don't worry about how much he is going to get paid. Brad will handle that. Or another team.

Grant and Pritchard will most likely find another time, where they will get paid more and have a chance to play more.

[Wes-J]

Sold, for 5 years 15.5m!

[cl2117]

I’m mixed on Grant. I agree he’s an 8th man in that may be his skill/quality level relative to the rest of the roster but he’s also 4th on the team in minutes and misses third by a slim margin.

I like him and he’s been a boon to this team but I also think his spot is one that could use an upgrade for a high end player if possible.

I agree with the bolded, but think he could be part of the package that lands that upgrade. Resign him and add picks/swaps to land player X.

Him in the mid-teens plus say Gallo gets you enough to match for a guy in the mid-20 million range for trades. Add picks and swaps and you could have enough there to get said upgrade.

Grant to team X in need a 3&D big, our picks/swaps to Utah, Lauri to Boston? Probably unrealistic, but that'd be the formula.

[BK_2020]

I’m mixed on Grant. I agree he’s an 8th man in that may be his skill/quality level relative to the rest of the roster but he’s also 4th on the team in minutes and misses third by a slim margin.

I like him and he’s been a boon to this team but I also think his spot is one that could use an upgrade for a high end player if possible.

I agree with the bolded, but think he could be part of the package that lands that upgrade. Resign him and add picks/swaps to land player X.

Him in the mid-teens plus say Gallo gets you enough to match for a guy in the mid-20 million range for trades. Add picks and swaps and you could have enough there to get said upgrade.

Grant to team X in need a 3&D big, our picks/swaps to Utah, Lauri to Boston? Probably unrealistic, but that'd be the formula.

Lauri makes peanuts. He could've been salary-matched with Grant, Gallo, Pritchard, and whoever this season. Pritchard, Gallo and change should be enough next season.

[Triple7]

With the way Grant is playing right now. 10M per year for 3 yrs max for him. If gallo is healthy, his mins will go down further.

[Bohemian]

Grant is definitely worth 18-20M now. The issue has always been that ownership may not want to keep him. He was asking for less last summer and they didn’t extend him. Hopefully something gets done. Grant fits perfectly here and his teammates love him.

[Bohemian]

With the way Grant is playing right now. 10M per year for 3 yrs max for him. If gallo is healthy, his mins will go down further.

He is worth much more, but it's tough to show it consistently when your minutes go from 48 to 0 in a week span. He'll be ok. We are the Celtics and can't make every player happy with enough minutes, but it is what it is. The goal is the championship.

[bucknersrevenge]

On the right team he's definitely worth 15M and maybe up to 18 on a team with a more defined role and Usage. That team is not us. Hauser is already cutting into his time and his defense has been more than adequate for his role off the bench. Add in Gallo returning for next year and all his minutes are used up. Much like with PP, he must see the writing on the wall. With the big money decisions coming up with Jaylen and then Jayson to follow, I just don't see how Brad could justify paying him what he wants. Grant was better than I thought he'd be when we drafted him so I'll give him credit for that. If he does leave, I will wish him well.

[Triple M]

Let's strip away one Grant Williams myth at a time, starting with the reminder that Grant Williams gave us 10 points per game on 36% shooting from the field against the Bucks. Minus the game 7, he shot 31.8% from the field.
Thanks for saving us in game 7, Grant! Maybe if you weren't so bad the series doesn't go to 7.

Lets not forget that he was guarding Giannis for extended time. I think that alone makes Grant valuable to this team or any contender in the East.

The problem i have with Grant is it seems like he is trying to perserve his shooting # and isnt shooting if he isnt fully open. Also i think his defense on the perimeter has fallen off, when the likes of McConnell are blowing by you easily it is a problem. Overall he is too valuable on the Giannis front to lose for nothing

[bucknersrevenge]

Let's strip away one Grant Williams myth at a time, starting with the reminder that Grant Williams gave us 10 points per game on 36% shooting from the field against the Bucks. Minus the game 7, he shot 31.8% from the field.
Thanks for saving us in game 7, Grant! Maybe if you weren't so bad the series doesn't go to 7.

Lets not forget that he was guarding Giannis for extended time. I think that alone makes Grant valuable to this team or any contender in the East.

The problem i have with Grant is it seems like he is trying to perserve his shooting # and isnt shooting if he isnt fully open. Also i think his defense on the perimeter has fallen off, when the likes of McConnell are blowing by you easily it is a problem. Overall he is too valuable on the Giannis front to lose for nothing

Not to mention him guarding KD for stretches. Grant is an extremely versatile defender. Sure he occasionally gets blown by. Lots of players get blown by. It's gonna happen. That's why you have a team. Grant hasn't been as good defensively this year but one could make the argument that only Derrick and Rob are on par or better defensively than they were last year.

[BK_2020]

Let's strip away one Grant Williams myth at a time, starting with the reminder that Grant Williams gave us 10 points per game on 36% shooting from the field against the Bucks. Minus the game 7, he shot 31.8% from the field.
Thanks for saving us in game 7, Grant! Maybe if you weren't so bad the series doesn't go to 7.

Lets not forget that he was guarding Giannis for extended time. I think that alone makes Grant valuable to this team or any contender in the East.

The problem i have with Grant is it seems like he is trying to perserve his shooting # and isnt shooting if he isnt fully open. Also i think his defense on the perimeter has fallen off, when the likes of McConnell are blowing by you easily it is a problem. Overall he is too valuable on the Giannis front to lose for nothing

I don't think he is very valuable on Giannis. He had one good stretch in a highly scrutinized game, sure, but Giannis was shooting poorly that entire series whether Grant was guarding him or not.
It's a lot like Jaylen building his defensive rep on one sequence against Siakam in a highly visible moment, even though Siakam was awful that entire time.
Grant is useful in the team's defensive scheme but I think his contributions can fairly easily be replaced. Fat short guys are a dime a dozen.

[cl2117]

I’m mixed on Grant. I agree he’s an 8th man in that may be his skill/quality level relative to the rest of the roster but he’s also 4th on the team in minutes and misses third by a slim margin.

I like him and he’s been a boon to this team but I also think his spot is one that could use an upgrade for a high end player if possible.

I agree with the bolded, but think he could be part of the package that lands that upgrade. Resign him and add picks/swaps to land player X.

Him in the mid-teens plus say Gallo gets you enough to match for a guy in the mid-20 million range for trades. Add picks and swaps and you could have enough there to get said upgrade.

Grant to team X in need a 3&D big, our picks/swaps to Utah, Lauri to Boston? Probably unrealistic, but that'd be the formula.

Lauri makes peanuts. He could've been salary-matched with Grant, Gallo, Pritchard, and whoever this season. Pritchard, Gallo and change should be enough next season.

It would have to be a 4 players for 1 trade in both years I'm pretty sure. You might scrape by with Gallo/PP/Muscala for Lauri next year, but it'd be close. But to your point, Lauri is underpaid and even then he requires 4 guys going out to acquire, which supports my point even more that it'd be difficult to upgrade that position due to salary matching.

If you've got options that are obtainable I'd love to hear em and what package we'd get them for. I don't doubt there are guys out there, but I think once you start looking it's a smaller pool than you'd think and even smaller when you remove teams that aren't going to want to sell or whose price is too high for us.

[Feed Your Head]

[BK_2020]

I agree with the bolded, but think he could be part of the package that lands that upgrade. Resign him and add picks/swaps to land player X.

Him in the mid-teens plus say Gallo gets you enough to match for a guy in the mid-20 million range for trades. Add picks and swaps and you could have enough there to get said upgrade.

Grant to team X in need a 3&D big, our picks/swaps to Utah, Lauri to Boston? Probably unrealistic, but that'd be the formula.

Lauri makes peanuts. He could've been salary-matched with Grant, Gallo, Pritchard, and whoever this season. Pritchard, Gallo and change should be enough next season.

It would have to be a 4 players for 1 trade in both years I'm pretty sure. You might scrape by with Gallo/PP/Muscala for Lauri next year, but it'd be close. But to your point, Lauri is underpaid and even then he requires 4 guys going out to acquire, which supports my point even more that it'd be difficult to upgrade that position due to salary matching.

If you've got options that are obtainable I'd love to hear em and what package we'd get them for. I don't doubt there are guys out there, but I think once you start looking it's a smaller pool than you'd think and even smaller when you remove teams that aren't going to want to sell or whose price is too high for us.

Just on the Nets I think we could get Yuta Watanabe, Royce O'Neal and DFS to plug into Grant Williams role.
If I can't name more that's because nobody got the time to scrutinize every team's 8th best player and also there's probably a bunch of guys in the G-League or elsewhere.

[Triple M]

Let's strip away one Grant Williams myth at a time, starting with the reminder that Grant Williams gave us 10 points per game on 36% shooting from the field against the Bucks. Minus the game 7, he shot 31.8% from the field.
Thanks for saving us in game 7, Grant! Maybe if you weren't so bad the series doesn't go to 7.

Lets not forget that he was guarding Giannis for extended time. I think that alone makes Grant valuable to this team or any contender in the East.

The problem i have with Grant is it seems like he is trying to perserve his shooting # and isnt shooting if he isnt fully open. Also i think his defense on the perimeter has fallen off, when the likes of McConnell are blowing by you easily it is a problem. Overall he is too valuable on the Giannis front to lose for nothing

I don't think he is very valuable on Giannis. He had one good stretch in a highly scrutinized game, sure, but Giannis was shooting poorly that entire series whether Grant was guarding him or not.
It's a lot like Jaylen building his defensive rep on one sequence against Siakam in a highly visible moment, even though Siakam was awful that entire time.
Grant is useful in the team's defensive scheme but I think his contributions can fairly easily be replaced. Fat short guys are a dime a dozen.

He is one of few players that actually can absorb Giannis on drives i wouldnt down play that because he makes Giannis work harder than most. I just dont think we should have him defend guards because he isnt holding up as well as last year. It is why we need to get a real wing defender to take pressure off Tatum and Browns defensive load.

[cl2117]

Lauri makes peanuts. He could've been salary-matched with Grant, Gallo, Pritchard, and whoever this season. Pritchard, Gallo and change should be enough next season.

It would have to be a 4 players for 1 trade in both years I'm pretty sure. You might scrape by with Gallo/PP/Muscala for Lauri next year, but it'd be close. But to your point, Lauri is underpaid and even then he requires 4 guys going out to acquire, which supports my point even more that it'd be difficult to upgrade that position due to salary matching.

If you've got options that are obtainable I'd love to hear em and what package we'd get them for. I don't doubt there are guys out there, but I think once you start looking it's a smaller pool than you'd think and even smaller when you remove teams that aren't going to want to sell or whose price is too high for us.

Just on the Nets I think we could get Yuta Watanabe, Royce O'Neal and DFS to plug into Grant Williams role.
If I can't name more that's because nobody got the time to scrutinize every team's 8th best player and also there's probably a bunch of guys in the G-League or elsewhere.

Yuta is expiring, so not an option.

Royce and DFS are arguably lateral moves, but I'd be open to either. The issue is that Brooklyn likely asks for a first for either at which point is it really worth making the move at that cost? Not to mention salary matching. Especially for, as you love to point out, your 8th best player and guys in return who aren't significantly better.

If they'd take Pritchard/Gallo, then maybe, but is that really a net positive move? End up swapping out Grant/Pritchard/Gallo and getting DFS or Royce in return? I'd say no.

[CelticFaninLBC]

I’m mixed on Grant. I agree he’s an 8th man in that may be his skill/quality level relative to the rest of the roster but he’s also 4th on the team in minutes and misses third by a slim margin.

I like him and he’s been a boon to this team but I also think his spot is one that could use an upgrade for a high end player if possible.

I agree with the bolded, but think he could be part of the package that lands that upgrade. Resign him and add picks/swaps to land player X.

Him in the mid-teens plus say Gallo gets you enough to match for a guy in the mid-20 million range for trades. Add picks and swaps and you could have enough there to get said upgrade.

Grant to team X in need a 3&D big, our picks/swaps to Utah, Lauri to Boston? Probably unrealistic, but that'd be the formula.

Can't see Ainge dealing Lauri to Boston. Bogan Bogdanovich might be an option.

[BK_2020]

It would have to be a 4 players for 1 trade in both years I'm pretty sure. You might scrape by with Gallo/PP/Muscala for Lauri next year, but it'd be close. But to your point, Lauri is underpaid and even then he requires 4 guys going out to acquire, which supports my point even more that it'd be difficult to upgrade that position due to salary matching.

If you've got options that are obtainable I'd love to hear em and what package we'd get them for. I don't doubt there are guys out there, but I think once you start looking it's a smaller pool than you'd think and even smaller when you remove teams that aren't going to want to sell or whose price is too high for us.

Just on the Nets I think we could get Yuta Watanabe, Royce O'Neal and DFS to plug into Grant Williams role.
If I can't name more that's because nobody got the time to scrutinize every team's 8th best player and also there's probably a bunch of guys in the G-League or elsewhere.

Yuta is expiring, so not an option.

Royce and DFS are arguably lateral moves, but I'd be open to either. The issue is that Brooklyn likely asks for a first for either at which point is it really worth making the move at that cost? Not to mention salary matching. Especially for, as you love to point out, your 8th best player and guys in return who aren't significantly better.

If they'd take Pritchard/Gallo, then maybe, but is that really a net positive move? End up swapping out Grant/Pritchard/Gallo and getting DFS or Royce in return? I'd say no.

Pritchard next season is negative value at $4 mil. He's only good for salary ballast. Gallo, who knows.
Royce O'Neal only has 1 season left so he might be gettable with multiple 2nds. DFS is on $15 mil. a year deal and has a player option for 2024-25 so he might not make much financial sense over giving Grant $15-16 mil.
Yuta is probably either T-MLE or less.
Maybe when Zion is back fully healthy, the Pelicans make Nance available.
In any case there are definitely options, despite many people saying giving Grant what he asks for is the only way to shore up that 8th man spot.

[ScottieJ]

Feels like the money he wants could be much better spent elsewhere.