2023 Cowboys Offseason News & Notes

Otis Driftwood · Post #141 » by **Otis Driftwood** » Wed Mar 1, 2023 4:06 pm

Micah Prescott wrote:Literally every owner would say this about their QB, what did you expect him to say that Dak sucks? And you don't have to live in Dallas to hear the Dallas front office, hence your post here.

Almost any QB can win a SB, see Peyton with Denver where he was the worst QB in the NFL. See Nick Foles. See a dozen other sub par QBs with rings.

And... it's really easy to not hear what the owner or his son says around here in the North Texas region. I make it a point not to listen to their garbage even if there is credibility to it. And - when it's shoved in front of me, I take it with a grain of salt because in most cases it's exactly as you put it - it's what any owner or GM would say. And that isn't news. It's posturing for the leering press and mindless fans who can be manipulated.

Micah Prescott · Post #142 » by **Micah Prescott** » Wed Mar 1, 2023 4:16 pm

bluejerseyjinx wrote:
Micah Prescott wrote:
bluejerseyjinx wrote:Instead of a Jerry, Jerry, Jerry thread, we should have a Stephen, Stephen, Stephen thread after his comments this morning. Stephen says, "we can still win a Super bowl with Dak and that Dak is everything you want in a QB."
I guess the Jones boys have to be all in with Dak at this point. I'm so glad I don't live in Dallas and have to listen to their garbage everyday on radio and in the media. Sad part is most of them eat it up and believe in the Jones boys.

Literally every owner would say this about their QB, what did you expect him to say that Dak sucks? And you don't have to live in Dallas to hear the Dallas front office, hence your post here.

Almost any QB can win a SB, see Peyton with Denver where he was the worst QB in the NFL. See Nick Foles. See a dozen other sub par QBs with rings.

You know what. I'll talk any subject with you except when it comes to Jerry and Dak. Will not discuss with you either subject moving forward. We will never agree when it comes to Jerry and Dak and never will. If you Stephen and Jerry think Dak is the QB that has everything you want in that position, I can't help you. I've been right on Jerry since 2002 and I was right 3 years ago saying Dak is not the guy and have his resume to back me up. I can't help if you don't see that your boy Dak is currently the weakest link on this team.

Jerry? You are getting onto Stephen for saying he believes in Dak but every GM and owner is going to stand behind their players. How could you expect Stephen to say he DOESN'T believe in Dak?

bluejerseyjinx · Post #143 » by **bluejerseyjinx** » Wed Mar 1, 2023 4:21 pm

Micah Prescott wrote:
bluejerseyjinx wrote:
Micah Prescott wrote:Literally every owner would say this about their QB, what did you expect him to say that Dak sucks? And you don't have to live in Dallas to hear the Dallas front office, hence your post here.

Almost any QB can win a SB, see Peyton with Denver where he was the worst QB in the NFL. See Nick Foles. See a dozen other sub par QBs with rings.

You know what. I'll talk any subject with you except when it comes to Jerry and Dak. Will not discuss with you either subject moving forward. We will never agree when it comes to Jerry and Dak and never will. If you Stephen and Jerry think Dak is the QB that has everything you want in that position, I can't help you. I've been right on Jerry since 2002 and I was right 3 years ago saying Dak is not the guy and have his resume to back me up. I can't help if you don't see that your boy Dak is currently the weakest link on this team.

Jerry? You are getting onto Stephen for saying he believes in Dak but every GM and owner is going to stand behind their players. How could you expect Stephen to say he DOESN'T believe in Dak?

Told you I'm not going there with you anymore. If you want to support losers, that's your choice. I stopped buying Jerry bulls..t 21 years ago.

Mr B · Post #144 » by **Mr B** » Wed Mar 1, 2023 5:36 pm

Otis Driftwood wrote:
Micah Prescott wrote:Literally every owner would say this about their QB, what did you expect him to say that Dak sucks? And you don't have to live in Dallas to hear the Dallas front office, hence your post here.

Almost any QB can win a SB, see Peyton with Denver where he was the worst QB in the NFL. See Nick Foles. See a dozen other sub par QBs with rings.

And... it's really easy to not hear what the owner or his son says around here in the North Texas region. I make it a point not to listen to their garbage even if there is credibility to it. And - when it's shoved in front of me, I take it with a grain of salt because in most cases it's exactly as you put it - it's what any owner or GM would say. And that isn't news. It's posturing for the leering press and mindless fans who can be manipulated.

Amen brother. I always switch the channel when one of the Jones’ are being interviewed.

Micah Prescott · Post #145 » by **Micah Prescott** » Wed Mar 1, 2023 8:40 pm

bluejerseyjinx wrote:
Micah Prescott wrote:
bluejerseyjinx wrote:You know what. I'll talk any subject with you except when it comes to Jerry and Dak. Will not discuss with you either subject moving forward. We will never agree when it comes to Jerry and Dak and never will. If you Stephen and Jerry think Dak is the QB that has everything you want in that position, I can't help you. I've been right on Jerry since 2002 and I was right 3 years ago saying Dak is not the guy and have his resume to back me up. I can't help if you don't see that your boy Dak is currently the weakest link on this team.

Jerry? You are getting onto Stephen for saying he believes in Dak but every GM and owner is going to stand behind their players. How could you expect Stephen to say he DOESN'T believe in Dak?

Told you I'm not going there with you anymore. If you want to support losers, that's your choice. I stopped buying Jerry bulls..t 21 years ago.

Serious question, just what exactly do you think being a "fan" entails? :lol:

I'm not even trying to troll you I promise, if you think this franchise is a bunch of "losers" then wtf are you even doing in here? I don't get it?

I don't support the Eagles franchise, I don't like that franchise, therefor I don't pretend to be an Eagle's fan. See how that works?

bluejerseyjinx · Post #146 » by **bluejerseyjinx** » Wed Mar 1, 2023 8:56 pm

I'd rather talk about FA, the upcoming draft and/or our cap space instead of talking about Dak and Jerry with you unless you have another football topic you'd rather indulge in. Dak and Jerry are losers and I'm not changing my mind. You must have some thoughts about the draft that we can possibly engage in.

Micah Prescott · Post #147 » by **Micah Prescott** » Wed Mar 1, 2023 9:38 pm

bluejerseyjinx wrote:I'd rather talk about FA, the upcoming draft and/or our cap space instead of talking about Dak and Jerry with you unless you have another football topic you'd rather indulge in. Dak and Jerry are losers and I'm not changing my mind. You must have some thoughts about the draft that we can possibly engage in.

We were talking about Stephen but fair enough. I'm legitimately just trying to figure out your mindset here. I can understand being frustrated after a loss, or being upset at the front office after a bad trade or draft pick. I get that. But with you the hatred is one of life long permanence. Like you just said "you aren't changing your mind". And that is what is confusing. If you have made up your mind that it is impossible to win a ring with these people then I do not even understand why you care about FA , the draft, or cap space.

Micah Prescott · Post #148 » by **Micah Prescott** » Wed Mar 1, 2023 9:43 pm

If I had to pick just ONE individual who I thought we couldn't win a ring with it would be McCarthy, and he is the only one here who has a ring lol.

Micah Prescott · Post #149 » by **Micah Prescott** » Fri Mar 3, 2023 4:09 am

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Otis Driftwood · Post #150 » by **Otis Driftwood** » Fri Mar 3, 2023 2:30 pm

Micah Prescott wrote:

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Micah Prescott · Post #151 » by **Micah Prescott** » Fri Mar 3, 2023 2:46 pm

Otis Driftwood wrote:
Micah Prescott wrote:

Read on Twitter
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Offer a 2 and <fill in the blank> to sweeten the offer and pull the trigger.

Agree 100%

Then we aquire a big name FA without losing our 1st rd pick and can use that to aid the defense be it DT or LB...maybe CB.

Post #152 » by **Cactus Jack** » Fri Mar 3, 2023 3:44 pm

Guys, Hopkins is a 30 year old receiver in decline.

Mr B · Post #153 » by **Mr B** » Fri Mar 3, 2023 4:11 pm

Cactus Jack wrote:Guys, Hopkins is a 30 year old receiver in decline.

Yes he is 30. Hard to say he’s in decline because he hasn’t had a real team around him and has a suspect QB. It for a 2nd round pick that’s a pretty good get. Plus his contract is not that bad. He’s due $19.5M in 2023 but then it drops to $14.9 in 2024, then is UFA in 2025. At that point you either resign or trade him. Also keep in mind that the Cowboys wouldn’t be on the hook for any of his guaranteed money.

Micah Prescott · Post #154 » by **Micah Prescott** » Fri Mar 3, 2023 4:21 pm

Cactus Jack wrote:Guys, Hopkins is a 30 year old receiver in decline.

He averaged 79.7 yards per game last season which was 10th overall.

We have CeeDee Lamb as a #1, so we aren't looking for him to be that.

He is literally perfect for our situation. A big name vet on the tail end of his career who can give us one last push before we blow the team up.

Post #155 » by **Cactus Jack** » Fri Mar 3, 2023 5:03 pm

Micah Prescott wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:Guys, Hopkins is a 30 year old receiver in decline.

He averaged 79.7 yards per game last season which was 10th overall.

We have CeeDee Lamb as a #1, so we aren't looking for him to be that.

He is literally perfect for our situation. A big name vet on the tail end of his career who can give us one last push before we blow the team up.

I get it.

But is it worth giving up a 2nd round pick for a soon to be 31 year old WR. Who you might only have around for 2 years. He also was suspended for PED's recently & has dealt with injuries.

I get the short term appeal for some fans. But it just seems like a poor decision for an aging player.

Mr B wrote:Yes he is 30. Hard to say he’s in decline because he hasn’t had a real team around him and has a suspect QB. It for a 2nd round pick that’s a pretty good get. Plus his contract is not that bad. He’s due $19.5M in 2023 but then it drops to $14.9 in 2024, then is UFA in 2025. At that point you either resign or trade him. Also keep in mind that the Cowboys wouldn’t be on the hook for any of his guaranteed money.

You either resign a 33 year old receiver who won't have a whole lot left in the tank or you let him leave as a free agent because he can't produce for you anymore. His career will likely be over at that point. :wink:

Arizona would be absolutely thrilled to get that type of compensation for him. They want to cash in while he still has value.

Julio Jones is a perfect example. His last Pro Bowl season was at age 30.

Dez fell off a cliff around that age as well. That's the average lifespan of a receiver.

Micah Prescott · Post #156 » by **Micah Prescott** » Fri Mar 3, 2023 6:59 pm

We would only want Hopkins for 2 years.

For a team that is sub-.500 trying to grow it would be a bad trade. But the way I view this Dallas team is that they are in an "all in" situation where we need to make one last push with what they have and then reassess after. We just went 12-5, won a playoff game, and were a TD away from beating SF. Our defense won't be this good forever. Dak is in a place where we could maybe release him after next season if we wanted. McCarthy is now entering his "do or die" years as our coach. We need to make one last hard push right now in 2023. And players like Hopkins are ideal for that. It would be a good trade for the Cardinals and for Dallas. We are both in different places right now.

If our push fails, we say goodbye to McCarthy, maybe Dak, and then enter rebuild mode.

This is basically how the Rams got a ring, traded away their future for the present while they had a good base in place. We need to try and do the same. If it fails it fails, but at least we went for it.

bluejerseyjinx · Post #157 » by **bluejerseyjinx** » Fri Mar 3, 2023 7:02 pm

I don't trade for Hopkins or give up a 2nd round pick. That's just me I guess. I'd rather keep the 2nd round pick and continue to add more pieces. There are some really good WR's in this draft. Don't want to go all in while we still have McCarthy, Dak and Elliott on the team. Not worth it. Jerry has been going all in for 27 years and it has never worked out for us.

Otis Driftwood · Post #158 » by **Otis Driftwood** » Fri Mar 3, 2023 7:05 pm

Cactus Jack wrote:You either resign a 33 year old receiver who won't have a whole lot left in the tank or you let him leave as a free agent because he can't produce for you anymore. His career will likely be over at that point.

Thing is we may also be looking at other changes in 2 years beyond WR... like QB. So from a cost certainty standpoint it's not that bad of a choice. If Jerry decides it's "Blow it up" time then it's a pretty clean roster move.

Micah Prescott · Post #159 » by **Micah Prescott** » Fri Mar 3, 2023 7:10 pm

Also 30 isn't *that* bad for a WR. Yeah it's on the downside but it is still close to the peak. Tyreek Hill and Stephon Diggs are both 29. DeVonte Adams is 30. Keenan Allen is 30.

It fills a gap this team desperately needs to fill. Half of Dak's INTs can be attributed to WRs not named Lamb. Not even trying to say anything about Dak with that, but it's clear that his WRs weren't doing him any favors this past season. Hopkins would give vet stability there.

bluejerseyjinx · Post #160 » by **bluejerseyjinx** » Fri Mar 3, 2023 7:25 pm

Rebuild, rebuild, rebuild, we've been rebuilding for 27 years. We just started to rebuild the defense 2 years ago. Lets get some more pieces and finish it. We are going to go all in this year just to once again please Dumb Dak and McCarthy so we can start another rebuild in 2 years. I say HELL NO.