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Re: Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#601 » by Rapsfan07 » Fri Mar 3, 2023 4:55 pm

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God Squad wrote:Taylor Hendricks.

I love me some Hendricks.

Not that we should be picking for fit anyway but drafting Hendricks only complicates the massive problem we already have with Siakam, Barnes and OG. Even if we trade one of these guys in the offseason, drafting Hendricks only puts us back where we started.

We really, really need some guards. Whether that's by trade or draft.

I just think TH has the potential to return the best value for where he'll be drafted. But I understand the roster overlap concerns, but many of the other prospects seem like they have massive holes in their game. I don't see one with Hendricks, and I think he's going to be a huge riser come combine.


I'm not sure if I agree with that, even as a TH fan.

He isn't a great playmaker (he doesn't need to be for his position but both Siakam and Barnes are above average at that and we already have them) but more importantly, he's a pretty meh rebounder.

I do think though that he has a good chance to be a massive riser in the combine though.
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Re: Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#602 » by niQ » Fri Mar 3, 2023 5:02 pm

Alright people, who is the best scorer available in our range that we will probably not draft?
(Or just maybe if he is a wing?)
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Re: Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#603 » by dozo » Fri Mar 3, 2023 5:07 pm

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Rising: Julian Strawther (Gonzaga, SF, Junior)
Rising: Brandin Podziemski (Santa Clara, SG, Sophomore)
Rising: Judah Mintz (Syracuse, PG/SG, Freshman)
Rising: Jalen Hood-Schifino (Indiana, PG/SG, Freshman)
Rising: Kobe Bufkin (Michigan, SG, Sophomore)
Rising: Trayce Jackson-Davis (Indiana, PF/C, Senior)

Falling: Maxwell Lewis (Pepperdine, SG/SF, Sophomore)
Falling: Kel'el Ware (Oregon, C, Freshman)
Falling: GG Jackson II (South Carolina, PF, Freshman)
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#604 » by BoyzNTheHood » Fri Mar 3, 2023 5:22 pm

niQ wrote:Alright people, who is the best scorer available in our range that we will probably not draft?
(Or just maybe if he is a wing?)

Brice Sensabaugh. Elite scorer who plays no defense.
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#605 » by Kevin Willis » Fri Mar 3, 2023 5:31 pm

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BoyzNTheHood wrote:Neither are one dimensional


They are both really good shooters but dont bring much else.


Even if I didn't disagree with your point, after watching Raptor's 'struggleball' for the past year, what would be wrong with adding shooting and shot creation skill? Do we really want to keep this whole 6'9 vision of switchable defenders who can barely play offense?

Masai would have to be blind to keep with this vision. The lotto will be a way to finally get some true three level scoring talent.


I think his vision is fine. I think it's the way to go actually. I think the way he's doing it needs to change because of overlap. We need shooters. Get shooters but make them 6"7'-6"9'. Get scorers but make them 6"7'-6"9'. Get playmakers but make them 6"7'-6"9'. Make sure they can guard multiple positions. Then get really good specialists of any height and make them come off the bench. ie. Koloko.

TH is a really good shooter and he can defend multiple positions so he should be considered. Same with Jett / Dick (except not as good defenders). Masai should consider them. Maybe for a playmaker that can shoot he looks at Sidy Cissoko. This draft allows him to continue his experiment with a player different from what's on the roster (Sidy doesn't play like anybody on this roster with his playmaking and shooting. He's a better playmaker / shooter than Banton and Malachi and he's only 18.).
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Re: Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#606 » by God Squad » Fri Mar 3, 2023 5:32 pm

niQ wrote:Alright people, who is the best scorer available in our range that we will probably not draft?
(Or just maybe if he is a wing?)

Maybe Brice Sensabaugh? But I'm not even sure what position he plays and he isn't much of a defender. Maybe Jett Howard? Can shoot of any action and has a nice handle to go with his size. But he doesn't effect the game as much as you'd like. He's also not much of a defender or rebounder. IMO The draft is pretty flat in that I wouldn't be shocked if player drafted 10-25 turned out better than player drafted 4-10.
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Re: Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#607 » by HumbleRen » Fri Mar 3, 2023 5:36 pm

I like Brice, we need a shot in the arm on offence.
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Re: Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#608 » by God Squad » Fri Mar 3, 2023 5:39 pm

I'm rolling with Taylor Hendricks and Siddy for now. I see little bust chance with both, while having a decent ceiling. Hendricks has shooting and defense (man2man and weakside) to hang onto, while Siddy has shooting and playmaking. Both have a good frame and the stats indicate they've been very productive for their age.
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Post#609 » by HumbleRen » Fri Mar 3, 2023 5:44 pm

God Squad wrote:I'm rolling with Taylor Hendricks and Siddy for now. I see little bust chance with both, while having a decent ceiling. Hendricks has shooting and defense (man2man and weakside) to hang onto, while Siddy has shooting and playmaking. Both have a good frame and the stats indicate they've been very productive for their age.


We need some guard play man.

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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#610 » by Dalek » Fri Mar 3, 2023 5:59 pm

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They are both really good shooters but dont bring much else.


Even if I didn't disagree with your point, after watching Raptor's 'struggleball' for the past year, what would be wrong with adding shooting and shot creation skill? Do we really want to keep this whole 6'9 vision of switchable defenders who can barely play offense?

Masai would have to be blind to keep with this vision. The lotto will be a way to finally get some true three level scoring talent.


I think his vision is fine. I think it's the way to go actually. I think the way he's doing it needs to change because of overlap. We need shooters. Get shooters but make them 6"7'-6"9'. Get scorers but make them 6"7'-6"9'. Get playmakers but make them 6"7'-6"9'. Make sure they can guard multiple positions. Then get really good specialists of any height and make them come off the bench. ie. Koloko.

TH is a really good shooter and he can defend multiple positions so he should be considered. Same with Jett / Dick (except not as good defenders). Masai should consider them. Maybe for a playmaker that can shoot he looks at Sidy Cissoko. This draft allows him to continue his experiment with a player different from what's on the roster (Sidy doesn't play like anybody on this roster with his playmaking and shooting. He's a better playmaker / shooter than Banton and Malachi and he's only 18.).


I don't think the vision is working out, hence why they brought in Poeltl and Barton to shore up some deficiencies in size and shooting. Overall, I think others have highlighted it well, you draft TH and he immediately gets stuck behind Barnes, OG, Siakam, and maybe even Boucher and Achuiwa.

How does TH offer something different that could improve the team? If they worry that OG will want out, or if they plan to move on from Siakam then maybe I could see another small forward drafted, but to me it doesn't really put the player or team in a favorable position.

Sidy is interesting and given his age he could improve. If they love the upside I could see it, but he doesn't have a huge track record aside from the G-League games. No one really defends well in the G-League, so how will he do under NBA pressure? Banton averaged 26 PPG in his first G-League stint and it meant nothing about his NBA game.

For the modern NBA which is so offensively focused, I think the expectation is for teams to get up around 45-50 threes per game. Toronto can't keeping ebbing and expect their player development department to create Siakam-like miracles. At some point you have to score the ball and not focus solely on trying to shutdown opposing teams. Even the Knicks are playing well because they tilted away from strictly Thib grinding defense to a more offensive focus.
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Re: Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#611 » by Dalek » Fri Mar 3, 2023 6:11 pm

niQ wrote:Alright people, who is the best scorer available in our range that we will probably not draft?
(Or just maybe if he is a wing?)


I think we would probably pass on Nick Smith Jr. and Keyonte George. I kind of put them in the same class of scorer. NBA scoring PGs who I think have a shot to be starter level guards in the NBA if they continue to develop. Score first guys like this would scare off teams like Toronto because we prefer to have very conservative guards and both these guys are a bit reckless with turnovers and tend to want to be the offensive focus.
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Re: Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#612 » by God Squad » Fri Mar 3, 2023 6:24 pm

HumbleRen wrote:
God Squad wrote:I'm rolling with Taylor Hendricks and Siddy for now. I see little bust chance with both, while having a decent ceiling. Hendricks has shooting and defense (man2man and weakside) to hang onto, while Siddy has shooting and playmaking. Both have a good frame and the stats indicate they've been very productive for their age.


We need some guard play man.

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I know we do. Trust me I do. But the guards in this draft are a little sus IMO.Which guards do you like in this draft? I can see the Sasser love, but not using a 15-20 pick on him. I'm not sold on JHS, personally. Ant Black solves nothing on our rother other than another playmaker. The only guard I can feel comfortable with in terms of two way ability would be Cason Wallace, and his offense needs work.
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Post#613 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Fri Mar 3, 2023 6:38 pm

God Squad wrote:I'm rolling with Taylor Hendricks and Siddy for now. I see little bust chance with both, while having a decent ceiling. Hendricks has shooting and defense (man2man and weakside) to hang onto, while Siddy has shooting and playmaking. Both have a good frame and the stats indicate they've been very productive for their age.


No more SF or PF unless we trade BOTH OG and Siakam. I'm not even entertaining the idea unless Masai does the improbable and gets rid of both.

This team needs guards like a dying plant needs water.

I say this seeing Cissoko as a SF in the NBA.
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Re: Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#614 » by God Squad » Fri Mar 3, 2023 6:44 pm

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God Squad wrote:I'm rolling with Taylor Hendricks and Siddy for now. I see little bust chance with both, while having a decent ceiling. Hendricks has shooting and defense (man2man and weakside) to hang onto, while Siddy has shooting and playmaking. Both have a good frame and the stats indicate they've been very productive for their age.


No more SF or PF unless we trade BOTH OG and Siakam. I'm not even entertaining the idea unless Masai does the improbable and gets rid of both.

This team needs guards like a dying plant needs water.

I know. I just don't like the guards in this draft that much, particularly in our range. I'm gonna look more in Brandin Podziemski. I've warmed on Sasser btw, but still can't talk myself into 13-20 range. I can see him at 25+ though, so he'll likely be a FRP.
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#615 » by BoyzNTheHood » Fri Mar 3, 2023 6:48 pm

Not at our pick, but Keyonte Johnson should be getting a lot of love for what he’s doing. He’s just solid as a rock! If he’s undrafted he’d be a HUGE pickup, and anywhere after 31 seems like a great spot for him to be drafted in my opinion.
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Post#616 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Fri Mar 3, 2023 6:51 pm

God Squad wrote:
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God Squad wrote:I'm rolling with Taylor Hendricks and Siddy for now. I see little bust chance with both, while having a decent ceiling. Hendricks has shooting and defense (man2man and weakside) to hang onto, while Siddy has shooting and playmaking. Both have a good frame and the stats indicate they've been very productive for their age.


No more SF or PF unless we trade BOTH OG and Siakam. I'm not even entertaining the idea unless Masai does the improbable and gets rid of both.

This team needs guards like a dying plant needs water.

I know. I just don't like the guards in this draft that much, particularly in our range. I'm gonna look more in Brandin Podziemski. I've warmed on Sasser btw, but still can't talk myself into 13-20 range. I can see him at 25+ though, so he'll likely be a FRP.


I feel perfectly comfortable taking Sasser 15-20. Podziemski is interesting but he could end up just being another Ty Jerome who we can actually sign in the offseason. I wouldn't be opposed to Podz with a mid-late 1st. Worth taking a shot on him. Ideally we draft 2 guards somehow anyway so mix and match as long as we're not taking Howard or JHS I am fine with it.
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#617 » by WuTang_CMB » Fri Mar 3, 2023 6:52 pm

Dalek wrote:
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BoyzNTheHood wrote:Neither are one dimensional


They are both really good shooters but dont bring much else.


Even if I didn't disagree with your point, after watching Raptor's 'struggleball' for the past year, what would be wrong with adding shooting and shot creation skill? Do we really want to keep this whole 6'9 vision of switchable defenders who can barely play offense?

Masai would have to be blind to keep with this vision. The lotto will be a way to finally get some true three level scoring talent.

You have an argument but I am just objectively explaining our approach in the draft and how we usually stay away from players like that. I would guess in the 12-15 range that approach is likely heightened.
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Post#618 » by WuTang_CMB » Fri Mar 3, 2023 6:52 pm

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WuTang_OG wrote:We arent drafting jett or dick. Too one dimensional. Not even worth discussing. We never draft those types of players.

Taylor Hendricks.


Definitely in the mix
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#619 » by mademan » Fri Mar 3, 2023 6:54 pm



Like i get the dude is gonna be 23 by the time the season starts, but it's crazy to me that he's slated to go so late. He's a steal at 20+. This dude's just clearly a baller who does basically everything well from the guard spot. Reminds me a lot of Bane who was really good in college but dropped because he was thought to be undersized and too old
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Post#620 » by Rapsfan07 » Fri Mar 3, 2023 7:00 pm

God Squad wrote:
HumbleRen wrote:
God Squad wrote:I'm rolling with Taylor Hendricks and Siddy for now. I see little bust chance with both, while having a decent ceiling. Hendricks has shooting and defense (man2man and weakside) to hang onto, while Siddy has shooting and playmaking. Both have a good frame and the stats indicate they've been very productive for their age.


We need some guard play man.

:cry:

I know we do. Trust me I do. But the guards in this draft are a little sus IMO.Which guards do you like in this draft? I can see the Sasser love, but not using a 15-20 pick on him. I'm not sold on JHS, personally. Ant Black solves nothing on our rother other than another playmaker. The only guard I can feel comfortable with in terms of two way ability would be Cason Wallace, and his offense needs work.


Yeah the guard crop is not great in this draft. I'm hoping we can go on a nice little losing slide here late in the season so we can grab Wallace.

I like Hood-Schifino but I don't think he's going to be a starting guard in the NBA...could be a useful back up but I wouldn't take him over Colby Jones, though Jones is more of a SG IMO. I like Sasser as well, probably a little more than JHS now but again, not taking him in the 10-15 range.
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