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Woj: Isaac Out for the Year After Surgery on Torn Adductor

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Re: Woj: Isaac Out for the Year After Surgery on Torn Adductor 

Post#81 » by Last Guardian » Sat Mar 4, 2023 1:26 am

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Last Guardian wrote:Love the guy but he’s finished. Really sucks for him at his age.


Why does this mean that he's finished? If he had come back and the knee wasn't right and he needed another surgery on it, I would agree that things would look grim. I'm not trying to pretend I'm not frustrated and disappointed, but I don't see why it's impossible for him to come back from this minor-ish injury and be ready to attempt to play a full season next year. I understand that his history says that's unlikely, but there are lots of guys whose history says they're unlikely to play a full season despite coming into camp 100%.


He’s now had several different injuries and was out over 2 seasons for one injury. I get that this one isn’t really that bad, but there is very little hope that he will just stay healthy next season at this point.
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Re: Woj: Isaac Out for the Year After Surgery on Torn Adductor 

Post#82 » by FFBlitzace » Sat Mar 4, 2023 1:27 am

It's not even about optimism, really. Just trying to be rational rather than emotional and pessimistic. I'm not making any wagers or predictions on the number of games he plays next year, that would be stupid. I understand connecting the dots and seeing a potential reality that he just isn't ever going to be healthy. But there's also a universe (however unlikely it may be) where this is just an isolated injury at a frustrating time and he will be back next year and play his first ever full season. We've been without him so long and we have a core group of players with or without him, we're playing with house money at this point. Cutting him because we're just mad is a stupid take, I'm sorry but it is. If a significant opportunity materializes that would require us to shed his money, then sure, don't let it get in the way. But until then, it's not costing us anything to hope for the best.
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Re: Woj: Isaac Out for the Year After Surgery on Torn Adductor 

Post#83 » by Ducklett » Sat Mar 4, 2023 1:34 am

While I dont know or think we will keep him, he proved he can still go. Feel bad and hope for the best.
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Re: Woj: Isaac Out for the Year After Surgery on Torn Adductor 

Post#84 » by BlueBalls » Sat Mar 4, 2023 1:40 am

Very, very upsetting but there’s no way they’ll get value for him.

He’ll be available at the beginning of the season, and that’ll be his last shot here.

The guy brings too much to the table to cut. Cutting him or trading him for a future 2nd isn’t going to make anything better.

But this is a kick to the juevos.
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Re: Woj: Isaac Out for the Year After Surgery on Torn Adductor 

Post#85 » by The Effect » Sat Mar 4, 2023 2:00 am

Who didn't see this coming?

Anyone who looked at the situation without Homer glasses knew he was finished and that another injury was extremely likely, if not expected. Not sure what people really thought was going to happen, but a guy who has been injured for 6 year straight was not magically going to become healthy
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Re: Woj: Isaac Out for the Year After Surgery on Torn Adductor 

Post#86 » by The Effect » Sat Mar 4, 2023 2:01 am

BlueBalls wrote:Very, very upsetting but there’s no way they’ll get value for him.

He’ll be available at the beginning of the season, and that’ll be his last shot here.

The guy brings too much to the table to cut. Cutting him or trading him for a future 2nd isn’t going to make anything better.

But this is a kick to the juevos.


It's no longer about getting value, it's about getting out of his contract

I get 17m a year isn't what it once was, but he's still the highest paid on the team and the fact that we have a lot of needs and will have to give out extensions soon, it's hard not to think Isaac has played his last game as an Orlando Magic
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Re: Woj: Isaac Out for the Year After Surgery on Torn Adductor 

Post#87 » by The Effect » Sat Mar 4, 2023 2:03 am

FFBlitzace wrote:It's not even about optimism, really. Just trying to be rational rather than emotional and pessimistic. I'm not making any wagers or predictions on the number of games he plays next year, that would be stupid. I understand connecting the dots and seeing a potential reality that he just isn't ever going to be healthy. But there's also a universe (however unlikely it may be) where this is just an isolated injury at a frustrating time and he will be back next year and play his first ever full season. We've been without him so long and we have a core group of players with or without him, we're playing with house money at this point. Cutting him because we're just mad is a stupid take, I'm sorry but it is. If a significant opportunity materializes that would require us to shed his money, then sure, don't let it get in the way. But until then, it's not costing us anything to hope for the best.


How many injuries (and years) are people going to say this about??
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Re: Woj: Isaac Out for the Year After Surgery on Torn Adductor 

Post#88 » by eyriq » Sat Mar 4, 2023 2:06 am

The Effect wrote:Who didn't see this coming?

Anyone who looked at the situation without Homer glasses knew he was finished and that another injury was extremely likely, if not expected. Not sure what people really thought was going to happen, but a guy who has been injured for 6 year straight was not magically going to become healthy
I didn't expect it at all with how careful we were ramping him up. Which makes it all the more disappointing.
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Re: Woj: Isaac Out for the Year After Surgery on Torn Adductor 

Post#89 » by penny_nz » Sat Mar 4, 2023 2:07 am

He's done, time to move on
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Re: Woj: Isaac Out for the Year After Surgery on Torn Adductor 

Post#90 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Sat Mar 4, 2023 2:19 am

Was told I was a hater…. Nah I just see a broken dude whose never going to be healthy as waste cap space.
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Re: Woj: Isaac Out for the Year After Surgery on Torn Adductor 

Post#91 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Sat Mar 4, 2023 2:23 am

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ORLMagicGirl15 wrote:When Isaac came back and played well, some of you with your nasty comments prior were completely silent. You can continue to be.


This.

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Re: Woj: Isaac Out for the Year After Surgery on Torn Adductor 

Post#92 » by swarlesbarkley » Sat Mar 4, 2023 2:39 am

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This.

idgaf about JI, nor do I "feel bad" for a dude that as made generational wealth watching from the bench for the majority of his career. I'm a fan of the Magic first and foremost.

Trade this guy so Orlando can spend his money on people that play basketball.

Oh yeah, and mark Isaac as a L for the FO in the win/loss column for their ability to draft players. Ship has sailed.

He had 1 more shot at proving he wasn't competing with Anthony Davis for the "most made out of glass" award. He won.


Who would trade for him though? We may as well ride it out one more year since the following year we can fully move off the contract.


At $17.4m getting any positive asset is better than waiting for him to play 10 inconsequential minutes.


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Re: Woj: Isaac Out for the Year After Surgery on Torn Adductor 

Post#94 » by Def Swami » Sat Mar 4, 2023 4:11 am

FWIW, tearing your adductor muscle to the point that you need surgery is not some "minor" thing. It's not even a common basketball injury. Reminds me of Oladipo tearing his quadriceps muscle.
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Re: Woj: Isaac Out for the Year After Surgery on Torn Adductor 

Post#95 » by BlueBalls » Sat Mar 4, 2023 4:23 am

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BlueBalls wrote:Very, very upsetting but there’s no way they’ll get value for him.

He’ll be available at the beginning of the season, and that’ll be his last shot here.

The guy brings too much to the table to cut. Cutting him or trading him for a future 2nd isn’t going to make anything better.

But this is a kick to the juevos.


It's no longer about getting value, it's about getting out of his contract

I get 17m a year isn't what it once was, but he's still the highest paid on the team and the fact that we have a lot of needs and will have to give out extensions soon, it's hard not to think Isaac has played his last game as an Orlando Magic


I get that, but moving his contract would require us to throw in an asset.

It’s tough, but I think we have to give it one more go.
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Re: Woj: Isaac Out for the Year After Surgery on Torn Adductor 

Post#96 » by pepe1991 » Sat Mar 4, 2023 5:59 am

And yesterday, before this was a thing i said nba should send their doctors in Orlando and simply hand him medical retirment papers.Now it's clear that's best case scenario for everybody involved.

His body isn't built for sports. Over last 3 years he was out, he had 3 years of time to revamp and recover, and after several minutes a game, sprinkled through whole week, and days off, he still got hurt again.

In reality, Jonathan Isaac has been hurt in 5 out of 6 different years.

Forum vise, most irritating thing is that people who were pointing out that his body won't hold and that he can't be in long term plans were called haters by same people who claimed he is healthy and could play back in April of 2022. Well.. there you have it.

btw it's in his best interest to retire even if he doesn't want to. He is so fragile that next injury could be one that will harm his goodbeing after he retires. Guy now had ACL tear, hyxperexstended knee injury, hamstring surgery, nkle injury ,adductor injury. All required surgeries. Guy's lower body is falling apart, he is 6'11. Don't be new Shawn Bradley. Life doesn't stop in your 20s, there is plenty of life to live after pro sports.
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Re: Woj: Isaac Out for the Year After Surgery on Torn Adductor 

Post#97 » by Petre1978 » Sat Mar 4, 2023 6:43 am

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Re: Woj: Isaac Out for the Year After Surgery on Torn Adductor 

Post#98 » by OrlMagic05 » Sat Mar 4, 2023 7:08 am

WeHam should be thanking the Gods for drafting Franz and Paolo. Their other picks have been horrible.

17- JI (always injured)
18- bamba ( traded for a nothing)
19- okeke (not that good/always injured
20- cole (eh)
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Re: Woj: Isaac Out for the Year After Surgery on Torn Adductor 

Post#99 » by pepe1991 » Sat Mar 4, 2023 7:16 am

no BB Rob to say he is healthy, it's front office that holds him back? lol
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Re: Woj: Isaac Out for the Year After Surgery on Torn Adductor 

Post#100 » by The Effect » Sat Mar 4, 2023 7:36 am

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BlueBalls wrote:Very, very upsetting but there’s no way they’ll get value for him.

He’ll be available at the beginning of the season, and that’ll be his last shot here.

The guy brings too much to the table to cut. Cutting him or trading him for a future 2nd isn’t going to make anything better.

But this is a kick to the juevos.


It's no longer about getting value, it's about getting out of his contract

I get 17m a year isn't what it once was, but he's still the highest paid on the team and the fact that we have a lot of needs and will have to give out extensions soon, it's hard not to think Isaac has played his last game as an Orlando Magic


I get that, but moving his contract would require us to throw in an asset.

It’s tough, but I think we have to give it one more go.

Or....
We just cut him
Isn't there a medical clause in his contact that allow us to release him this is off-season?

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